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Hey guys, have you ever noticed how society seems to give women a pass when it comes to cheating on their husbands? It's time for us men to stop being biased and start supporting each other! Let's stop treating infidelity differently based on gender.

SawyerBlackwood

April 15, 2023
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Title Hey guys, have you ever noticed how society seems to give women a pass when it comes to cheating on their husbands? It's time for us men to stop being biased and start supporting each other! Let's stop treating infidelity differently based on gender.
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SawyerBlackwood

Upvotes 580
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Date April 15, 2023 11:39 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/12mzhgt/hey_guys_have_you_ever_noticed_how_society_seems/
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[–]Throning 90 points91 points92 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

In the last week, there was someone posting a study/survey of how more people are more lenient toward the woman cheating, than the man. Including other men, who while still having a 'minority' of the numbers, shows that less men had issue with the woman cheating, than when the man cheats.

I can only wish that people looked at it objectively/fairly/equally, but that pretty much isn't the case. All cheating should be reprehensibly 'bad', regardless of who/which gender does it. But that also, similarly, isn't going to be the case, based on that other post.

[–]Kyonkanno 70 points71 points72 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Not only that but if a woman cheats, it must be because the husband wasn't meeting her needs. If a man cheats, he's a POS.

[–]Silver-Bat5607 35 points36 points37 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I give you a million upvotes. I know of a woman who left her husband because her needs were not being met. Sexually, emotional, etc. New guy gives her all that. But his needs are not being met because she's not comfortable or able to show up or make the necessary changes to make it happen so his needs can be met. But if he leaves because of the same exact issues, he's a POS and wanted to change her. Huge big double standards going on in marriages and men are starting to put their foot down and call it out. It's been too long men have suffered under the guise of being strong and show it doesn't bother us.

[–]sonthehedge42 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Leaving isn't trying to change someone. It's more like trying making room in your life to find someone who is already the way you want your partner to be. Trying to change someone is a fools errand.

Yes, people can change, but they gotta want it, and before they can even want it, they gotta believe that it can happen. Too many people have a fixed mindset. They'll fail a math test and spend the rest of their lives thinking they are bad at math, never even considering that they could get better at it with study and practice.

Even with the desire to change and a non fixed growth mindset, there's still no guarantees that change will happen. Change is hard. Sometimes people just find a way to make it happen. That's not to say it isn't possible, just that they haven't found the way that works for them yet. It's like when I quit smoking cigarettes. I tried unsuccessfully to just cut back for at least a year. My doctor suggested Chantix. Within a month I was smoke free. Chantix doesn't work for everyone though. Sometimes the weird dreams are too much for people. Everyone has to find their own path

[–]EvidencePlz 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment about maths is perfect.

[–]ANUS_CONE 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s a vicious cycle. Wife stops fucking husband. Wonders why husband becomes more distant after x number of rejections. Wife has affair because “needs aren’t being met”. Husband is made to feel like it is his fault that his wife cucked him. In reality, wife started the cycle by refusing to acknowledge husbands needs, husband is offended/hurt because his needs are not even acknowledged, much less met, but the way forward is to just sacrifice more.

If you have a wife like this or recognize the beginning stages, just go ahead and cut your losses now tbh. It’s not gonna get better. There’s not a society telling wife the truth, and there are 10 simps waiting in line to get cucked next.

[–]Fcuk_the_system_ 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. The second the wedding cake hits their lips they stop putting out as much.

Men, don’t marry.

[–]Kyonkanno 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They know the barrier to leaving after marriage is that much higher, so they dable the fine line between giving out enough for you to feel like at least you're getting some and actually leaving.

Once they have secured their food and their offspring's food, they don't need to make more effort than necessary to keep you.

[+]Shelion94 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

do you consider why the wife isnt putting out? women arent the only ones who quit trying once theyve married. a lot of couples dont even get that far. the problem is people dont wake up and choose their partner again every day. both stop doing the little things. for a successful relationship both sides have to keep loving their person even when they dont like them. communicate effectively, make sure your life goals/parental/financial/emotional needs/expectations are discussed before going to the next step. and people give up too easy without vocalizing their issues to their person. its a problem with both genders for sure. and cheating is wrong as fuck on either side. be single and fuck whoever you want, slut it uppppp, but dont destroy relationships. yours or anothers.

[–]EvidencePlz 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take five million upvotes bro

[–]krynnotaur 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think all such studies are faulty, as the entirety of the data set comes from a group of liars. The probability that ANY one is answering these honestly, even when double blind anonymous blah blah is very low.

Guilt and shame, combined with unexamined lives that lead to these behaviors compound, so I am also quite certain the people involved are not being honest with themselves to begin with, let alone the survey.

[–]jjj2576 45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I always think of how folks claim that “the Lass cheated, because it’s the Man’s fault,” which exemplifies Hypergamy perfectly.

I’ve never seen a person say, “well, He cheated on his Wife, but it’s her fault.”

[–]NohoTwoPointOh -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Easy way to start?

When she’s blurting out her sob story of her ex? Drill down. Ask questions. Hard questions.

If you find out she’s lying or was the cheater, pop smoke and make like Patrick fucking Swayze on a potter’s wheel. Like the non-Jamaican chain-wearing Bob Marley. Like that other dude that ain’t quite God but ain’t quite His son, either…

“B-B-But…Eye wanna fuuuck heeeeeerrrrrrr”

Can’t control your dick or punkass lonely heart? You need to be way stronger to dodge the modern woman (and the power of the State). Otherwise, as many men know, you WILL get fucked the fuck up out here.

The only way to harden up is to embrace pain like a lover. Therapy hurts. Squats hurt. Burpees hurt (a lot). If religion is a part of your armoring, confessing your sins hurts.

When you endure that pain? The man on the other side interviews her..not the other way around.

[–]jjj2576 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but you forgot to mention stretching, and drinking water, and icing your muscles.

Vetting women is super important. Too many dudes— I’m guilty of this— don’t properly vet their partners. Finding ways to encourage Masculine Autonomy through teaching lads how to set healthy expectations & boundaries are dope.

Sending good vibes, ABroham Lincoln.

[–]Final_Philosopher663 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Damn the most interesting thing for me out of this data is probably that black men/women had almost same results.

I have seen it before but I didn't notice it the first time.

[–]Randomnonsense5 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also interesting that the more education a woman has the more her stance on this shifts.

[–]Final_Philosopher663 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah , but there are a myriad of reasons for this shift. It is probably not just because "she is more educated".

[–]curiossceptic 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s afaik not showing that black men and women gave the same answers, but that black women find it equally wrong when a man or a woman cheats.

Was also the first thing I noticed and what I found really interesting.

[–]SuperDuperPositive 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Black women are more religious. That moral compass doesn't suffer fools.

[–]sonthehedge42 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are also less likely to put up with shit from anyone. Most of them won't even share their recipes. They sure as shit ain't gonna share their man

[–]Zestyclose-Repair-86 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not surprised.

Feminism is for white cis women. Black women get the shaft

[–]Unlikely_Loss5005 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's something called "Women are wonderful effect" can that be changed? I doubt it.

[–]Wonderful_Working315 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone has been cheated on at some point. It sucks, but you move on. The problem is modern marriage laws.

-Don't get married, and cheating is a small bump in the road.

-Get married and a cheating partner will, at best, fuck you over for several years. At worst fuck you for life.

The veil has been removed and you see how society (women) view fidelity in the context of marriage. Adjust accordingly.

[–]Yozora1337 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Being the boyfriend/husband is second/last place in "modern" society. Being the lover/fwb/casual gives you a perspective many don't get and you will never want to commit to any western woman ever again!

[–]ABBucsfan 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Remove the western and you're spot on. I married into an Asian family before and as I got to know that family more.. man the women were all nasty except maybe the one that moved to Australia. You think men here are subservient? Far worse there.. they all wanted to rule the roost and all ended up discarding their men. Only exception is the uncle with F you money. He eventually committed to the baby momma, but for a while she'd even drop him off at the airport to visit his other gf. She'd rather share the guy with the big bucks. I mean some of those countries over there guys are just noping out .

[–]Yozora1337 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Never get married!

[+]MichaelRah -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, if you legitimately can delude yourself into believing women get a free pass on cheating then you should never get married because if you are so easily tricked she will gaslight you for an eternity.

[–]Randomnonsense5 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its different there, different culture. In many Asian cultures women truly rule the home, while men rule the work place. That has for centuries been the way things are.

But now with women more and more having equal opportunities in the work place things are shifting. Although in different countries its different, not all Asian countries are allowing women to have full access to the working world like in the West.

But even though things are changing in the work place, women still want to wield the same power they have traditionally wielded in the home. They don't want to give that up.

[+]Emotional_Ice 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When a man cheats, he's a no-good S.O.B. When a woman cheats, it's because of her "no-good S.O.B." husband. I wonder though, if lesbians cheat on each other, how do they determine who is the "no-good S.O.B?

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So Hispanic women are the most likely to view gender differently, black women are the least, and white women are in the middle?

Is it because Latin American countries have more traditional cultures?

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also find it interesting that educated women are more likely to excuse cheating, but they seem to treat the genders more equally.

[–]matrixislife 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there a study asking men the same question? It seems pretty obvious that women will say men being unfaithful is worse.

While you're undoubtedly correct in your conclusion, having only half the story in stats makes it easy to dismiss.

[+]MichaelRah -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally this, the methodology is flawed, had it polled both men and women it would obviously be within 1-2 percentage points.

[–]MononMysticBuddha 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Infidelity is infidelity. I don't care who's doing it. The results are the same. Especially when children are involved. Nobody should get a free pass.

[–]ElectronicBoss2845 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Most women will cheat on their husbands. It’s because they mostly take husbands on momentary emotions or thinking they won’t find what they ideally want and settle for less than they think they deserve. When they see something new and who they perceive better they will cheat.

I’d say just don’t get married. If you do you are making a risky decision.

Why would you get into a contract that gives away all male rights and makes someone else a entitled to your hard work? Seems silly especially if you are worried about infidelity as well.

Why try and limit yourself or anyone to just one person the rest of their life? 50 plus years is a long time to only be with one person without being boring.

[–]Yozora1337 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Most women are not attracted to their husbands and just use them as an ATM/security.

[–]ElectronicBoss2845 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

So true. I talk to married women daily and they flirt with me and complain about their husbands. Some try and cheat and are pretty sneaky lol

One doctor, everytime her husband calls, is like asshole is calling again before she picks up.

[–]Yozora1337 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not just married women, even the everyday girlfriend. But instead of only money the boyfriend does all the emotional support.

[+]MichaelRah -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Delusional. Wow. In my 40s and all my friends/siblings are married, everyone I know is married, women in these relationships are almost always the primary breadwinner because women succeed in education far more. Using him for an ATM when you make double his salary lmao, okay, high schooler level accuracy on reality.

[–]Fcuk_the_system_ 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has enabled women to earn more than men yet still want men to pay for most stuff

[+]Randomnonsense5 -10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean most men will cheat on their wives if someone younger and hotter comes along and give them an opportunity.

[–]ElectronicBoss2845 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s wrong too. But for most men the opportunity will never arrive or at least not as half as often for women.

I don’t understand why people get into marriages in the first place. I would never expect myself to only have sex with one person for 50 plus years. Let alone the rest of my life.

That’s why I choose honesty and polyamory also not marriage. I have been happiest with the same life partner since we were 15/17 and having her aware and supportive of me dating other women.

[+]MichaelRah -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In my 40s but I got to live a swinger lifestyle when I was younger: as a man you get so many chances to cheat so long as you still have a social life. I think a lot of men on this website forget that most men who aren't on here end up encountering hundreds of women a day, if you are someone who goes to clubs then you too know how easy it is to proposition someone after good small talk chemistry.

[–]ElectronicBoss2845 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m definitely not a swinger but I hope you enjoyed. I’m also not a club going type as I did that in my early 20s. Mostly women approach me at work. But it is easy to speak with women, I agree. They seem to have a lot of time to talk and if they are interested in speaking to you they will make time to come around you.

[+]MichaelRah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true, great on you for having a positive and realistic outlook.

[–]adam-l 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Of course it's different. We men can't be pregnant and burden our partner with a child that's not hers. She can. So, it's different. Female infidelity is more severe.

[+]MichaelRah -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True! All men shoot blanks or wear condoms, we are all so responsible and never want to cum raw inside of a woman, we as men cannot be tempted into an infidelity that results in reproduction because men can only reproduce in a marriage with their wife

THIS guy biologics! I'm so glad men invented marriage so reproduction could finally occur.

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you get another woman pregnant, you're still gonna owe child support which will take away from whatever your kid is getting. And plus a cheating woman can chose abortion but a cheating man can not.

Both genders cheating are equally bad.

[–]adam-l 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And plus a cheating woman can chose abortion but a cheating man can not.

Yeah... But he should.

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, try telling your wife "hey baby I knocked up another woman but it's ok cause I forced her to get an abortion" see how well that goes

[–]Obnoxiousjimmyjames 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s NOT about sex.

It’s about trust. You’re violating a “person who cares a great deal about you”’s trust and will damage it permanently all because of a selfish moment.
Says more about the cheater than the person being cheated on.

[–]dw87190 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Woman who cheats = piece of shit

Man who cheats = piece of shit

Hypocrites fuck off

[+]MichaelRah -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my 40s, never heard the opinion that men cheating is different from women outside of "men cheat for sex women cheat for love" type of argument, but still both the sex/love side are something we all consider cheating. This kind of survey has no methodology posted nor does it really make sense when you start asking "how do the data point ranges work?".

[–]Punder_man 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean.. a further example of this was multiple articles a few years ago which were along the lines of "Give your woman partner what she really wants for Christmas; A cheat pass"

Yeah.. that's right.. you had people advocating for giving women a guilt free 'pass' to cheat on their partners..

And of course this 'brilliant' idea only applied to women... no where did the article suggest that giving men a cheat pass at all..

[–]Run_By_Snowflakes 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just cheating. Women are bailed out of every bad decision they make - everywhere.

[–]Saucerful 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

based black women.

that's where it's at, fellas

[–]Technical-Ad-3849 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Based on these numbers, the majority of the population believes it’s always wrong for a woman to have an affair. How is that a pass?

[+]MichaelRah 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also it doesn't poll men who obviously would say women cheating is worse lmao, this poll just asked women.

[–]Laurely4u 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could retroactively share your comment with King Henry XIII

[+]MichaelRah 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I've never noticed that, but I am in my early 40s so maybe it's a little kid thing that early 20 year old kids are experiencing? Can't imagine anyone I've met in my whole life approving of cheating but only from the Wife's end. Maybe the study is outside of the USA? Perhaps taken from some ultra poor shack based country where somehow marriage is not established?

[+]cjgager -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

think you need a better graphic - but anyway - the statistics listed here doesn't account of religious belief since this is where most people learn about "morals" - so being a male or female in the graphic really doesn't explain your contention very well.
also - if you think about it, it's kind of natural that females would be seen as less "immoral" merely because of the limitation (usually) of having children. men can basically whore around all they want & walk away - everyone knows this. women are not so lucky if they get pregnant.
infidelity - lack of trust - betrayal to a loved one - is bad/terrible whoever does it - but your graphic/data example is still not very good. imo

[–]Fearless-File-3625 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Woman cheats -> gets pregnant -> husband is on the hook for supporting the child. This doesn't happen when men cheat.

So it is more immoral for women to cheat.

[+]cjgager 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe in old days - these days it's DNA court.
& like wait - man cheats > gf gets pregnant > gf has to take him to court to prove the baby's his & get support.
immorality is a societal construct just to make people be 1/2 decent to each other.
look, i understand that many guys really hate women and vice versa - but hate never helped anyone - it makes the world meaner & it's mean enough don't you think? just take responsibility everyone!

[–]Frostodian -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's you who would give your other half a pass not society

[+]Vadersballhair -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Serious question:

Do you guys honestly expect to hold women as accountable as you hold men?

If my wife cheated on me, it would be partially my fault - to me.

I would leave her instantly, but there would be things I'd do differently with the next woman, because I'm responsible for the results in my life.

[–]LarsBohenan -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If everyone could fuck the person of their dreams tomorrow everyone in a relationship right now would be periodically forgotten about. Lets get real. Anyone getting worked up over cheating today is a fool, and probably getting cheated on.

[+]excut 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Am I interpreting the data right? Do less than half of post-graduate women find it morally wrong for a married woman to have an affair?

[–]Opposite-Bullfrog-57 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't get married.

Stop getting married.

If you know that marriage law is unfair then don't.

There is no way to reform this.

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