Developed countries and the context of the us place in birth rate decline

Ayaka_Simp_ · 2023-07-13T12:14:23+00:00

The world we've built is awful. Of course no one wants to have children. All we do is work, pay bills, and die. I'm not bringing a life into this hellscape, just so they can suffer. You guys think it's bad now... just wait. These coming years will be pivotal. Either society and governments do a 180 or its over... the birth rate will collapse. Millennials and Gen Z aren't fucking around. We hate it here. You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet or subsidize the 1% and fuck everyone else. We are living in clown world.

Creation_Soul · 2023-07-13T11:56:01+00:00

my personal theory is that for most history, a lot of children were not really wanted. people desired sex and children were a natural consequence of sex as we couldn't really control fertility. Sure, people could just not have sex, but that's not a realistic solution.

What changed is that people still desire sex, but now we have birth control so we can have lots of sex without a child ever appearing. But for proper birth control use (for both genders) you require a (good enough) educated population and a good enough standard of living; you can also add a lower level of religiousness to the list. It just happens that developed countries fit all of these criteria.

Unnecessary-Training · 2023-07-13T02:40:26+00:00

all the other developed nations

Not just all the other developed nations, but all other nations, period. Fertility rates are rapidly declining everywhere. There's no country where they're steady or increasing.

noafrochamplusamurai · 2023-07-13T04:16:16+00:00

Birth decline, and overpopulation aren't as clear cut as it may seem. We'll start with the easy one first. We are nowhere near overpopulation, we have more than enough resources, the problem is how those resources are allocated. Something else that will surprise you. Our population isn't as large as you think it is. The major intelligence agencies around the world have known that China has been lying about its population size since the 90's. They're as much as possibly 400 million lower than reported. Coupled with an aging society with the disastrous one child policy. The mid century years could have them down to are 600 million. Added with the declines in population for western Europe, the reality is that world population by 2100 is going to be lower than it is now.

As for birth decline in the U.S. it's a bit early to forecast that. The birth decline that hurt the U.S. was boomer having fewer children. Making Gen X one of the smallest generations. Fortunately, they had more children than their parents. Millenials are currently the largest generation, and are still in their birthing years, as the youngest millenials are in their early twenties and still in their birthing years. The other thing that helps the U.S, unlike all the other western countries. We have a robust, and much more liberal immigration policy than they do. Thanks to the melting pot ideology, and the brain drain philosophy. The U.S. will continue positive growth, but it's gonna get a lot browner. Which is overall a good thing.

Ok-Bee-6216 · 2023-07-13T17:42:40+00:00

Q for people who want the population to keep growing:

what's the long term plan?

we have finite amounts of resources and temperature is already rising

so? what are we going to do then?

EuphoricBrightTipper · 2023-07-13T02:10:15+00:00

I find it funny how anti-natalist celebrate this, considering that it only guarantees that developed countries are developing tech and knowledge for breeding cultures, and western countries will slowly die off.

AngeCruelle · 2023-07-13T02:31:01+00:00

Japan is a very unique context that's difficult for extrapolation purposes.

An interesting framework for understanding the differences between, for example, U.S. and Japan is Hofstede's cultural comparison theory.

Here is the breakdown for the U.S. vs. Japan. Note that the theory is meant to reflect overall trends within a society and plenty of individuals can diverge from these traits.

One example is that the U.S. is considered a "low uncertainty avoidance" society while Japan is "high uncertainty avoidance." This is arguably reflected in decisions to have children, as Americans may be more likely to go ahead and have them even if they don't exactly have a plan for how they're going to provide for said children in the long term. Economy sucks? Eh. Hopefully it'll get better.

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md8716 · 2023-07-13T09:01:50+00:00

Power and wealth transfers from the elderly to breeders. As each generation of a family gets fewer in number, the wealth and real estate concentrates and stovepipes amongst the breeders.

I have multiple aunts and uncles that name me as their next of kin because they don't have kids. The one that did have kids (my cousins) aren't having kids themselves. To my family, I'm a vector for the future. Everyone else is a dead end. And people want to invest and believe in a future.

Imagine inheriting multiple useful properties scot-free over your lifetime. You're a millionaire just from being related to someone who spent 30 years paying a mortgage from before you were even born.

This is happening right now in both Japan and the U.S.

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This-Adhesiveness-52 · 2023-07-14T21:54:50+00:00

There is not a lot of equality, feminism, freedom for women in country’s with high birth rates. Like in Afghanistan a girl has no freedom is given away as a bride to any man willing to pay the bridetreasure to the parents. She is forced to sleep with that man, she can’t refuse or she gets beaten.

The law doesn’t care about domestic abuse. If she runs away her family will kill her for bringing shame upon them. It’s all very barbaric but it does keep the birth rate high making the society succesfull in breeding and domestic population growth. That why they look at the West and say we are a weak society that can’t sustain itself and needs immigration from these barbaric countries to keep enough workforce to run the country.

The developed countries have lots of women freedom but when women get to chose society developes into a winner take all. The best looking and most succesfull men don’t want to settle down because they getting lots of attractive women to sleep with and the bottom half are losers that don’t make enough money to attract women. That only leaves a small section that has children. So in that way feminism has failed because it’s not able to make women want to get married fast and breed. It only motivates women to focus on money and their carreer and not on having kids.

Title	Developed countries and the context of the us place in birth rate decline
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Date	July 12, 2023 11:40 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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