Pornography, Hollywood, and other forms of media have deluded men into false perceptions of women think and how attraction works.
Porn is a falsified, artificially constructed representation of human sexuality, where attraction and arousal are instantaneous, easy and abundant without true effort.
On the other side, mainstream movies, i.e. romance porn, often portray unquestioned dedication as the ultimate way to woman’s heart. Unremarkable, piddling men will win a beautiful woman over through some grand act of devotion, reinforcing that idea that men can be mediocre and still attract beautiful women solely through sacrifice.
Logically, we understand that movies and porn are fictional, but without experience or baseline knowledge, these misrepresentations become reality if reinforced early on.
These contradictory messages that women are owed to us (porn) and that they must be earned (mainstream media) have fucked up many men’s expectations and ability to handle rejection.
Men who are inundated in this mindset and who have experienced a series of rejections from women, begin to view women as a monolithic group that have rejected them in totality, who are looking down them from a pedestal. Rather than understanding that romantic/sexual rejection is something that happens frequently and is not a source of shame.
Red pillers, incels, and PUAs, are born out this. They blame women for being superficial or unattainable, they use band aids and tactics, rather than taking complete accountability an working to become an inherently attractive, interesting person. Even PUAs who achieve superficial success crumble when they encounter rejection, because their identity is largely predicated on acceptance from women.
Our society worships at the altar of the Victim. It’s difficult to take complete ownership of your faults and failures, I certainly struggle with taking ownership at times.
This is not a pro-feminist post. This concept applies to both men and women. You and I completely responsible for our successes and failures, not anyone else.
Women are not owed to you, the same way your attraction owed to anyone else. Women did not have a secret global meeting and deem you unworthy. Everyone experiences rejection—those who imply that they don’t experience it are delusional or liars.
You are not victim. Your attractiveness or any other facet of your personality is not static. Your success solely depends on personal accountability and willingness to experience discomfort in order to grow.
Edit: ‘Fault’ should be replaced with ‘Responsibility’, but the same concept applies
Edit 2: This post got me permanently banned from the social skills sub 🤷🏻♂️ 🥂
[–]pERsoynalityI hate foids 34 points35 points36 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s your fault that you weren’t born with the right genetics.
[–]SwansonSamsonite 15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Like height? Bone structure? The amount of hair I got? The ability to put on muscle mass? Core memories from my formative years which were largely determined by aforementioned supposedly non-static features?
[–]Lifecantrulysuck 31 points32 points33 points (3 children) | Copy Link
From his profile:
"🚀 Send me a message for one on one coaching programs 📖 Book: The Foundation: A Blueprint for Becoming an Authentically Attractive Man"
He's trying to sell you PUA nonsense. All this is so you spend money to go to him or someone like him for the "answer".
[–]Hillwalker71WhitePill 14 points15 points16 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He tries to dunk on PUAs near the end of this, too. I wonder if 'self awareness' is part of his programme...
[–]dolltron69 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
'I know what is best for you' says the monkey to a fish and takes the fish out of water and sticks it on top of a large tree .
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill[S] 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Dang I didn’t even check the profile. good find
[–]Relative_Editor_2179 12 points13 points14 points (2 children) | Copy Link
If you as a woman are being paid less than men, it is 100% your fault. You are not a victim. Your salary is not a static or predetermined quality.
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill[S] 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
😳 why didn’t I think of that
[–]Relative_Editor_2179 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s not copyrighted, feel free to use it everywhere
[–]kemonovatnikKemonopill 20 points21 points22 points (13 children) | Copy Link
My fault I am not conventionally attractive or extroverted neurotypical social fuckboy
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill[S] 15 points16 points17 points (5 children) | Copy Link
The post is so hilarious. A few commenters talk about how having good social skills is key but in the same breath they’ll say “oh as long as you’re aiming for people IN YOUR LEAGUE”. 🤣🤣🤣
So there are leagues of looks (out of the person’s control), but social skills and sales tactics are the main key to success? Yea Aite.
[–]EugeneCezanne 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes, looks and social skills are important. Why is that so complicated?
[–]Capable_Pudding8061 6 points7 points8 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeahhh social skills, where you can't even improve them unless other people give you the chance. And chances are if you aren't good looking you likely won't get the opportunities for it. See how your arguement falls apart?
And before you assume, i have a decent level of social skills, i'm not a neckbeard or a basement dweller, and women don't want to do anything to do with you even if you're the god of social skills but you're ugly. Social skills is important for connections, working and business, basically imrpoving yourself financially. Outside of that it doesn't mean much (for me at least)
[–]EugeneCezanne -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, my argument falls apart when subjected to a hypothetical scenario seemingly invented to serve that exact purpose.
I could do the same: "Yeah social skills, where you improve as often as other people give you the chance. Chances are, even if you're unattractive, you can eventually find many opportunities. See how your argument falls apart?"
[–]Capable_Pudding8061 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, you should take the chance to improve them when the opportunity presents itself, with experience you definitely can, mostly working or in school even. It's outside of that people don't want you to bother them. You will be just yelled to fuck off.
Funny how you social skills copers never tell others how to actually improve them, just "social skills brahh you need them"
[–]EugeneCezanne -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know what society you keep to that this is remotely normal behavior, but I suggest you put it into your rearview as soon as possible. Anyone I know who treated anyone else this way without cause would themselves face immediate ostracism.
We've only been discussing whether social skills are important. The scope of that conversation hasn't broadened enough to get into actual advice. Besides, why advise someone who rejects the significance of the thing advised upon?
At any rate, developing good social skills is not less important because I, personally, don't know how to teach it. I don't know how to make a lot of money either, but I concede that having a lot of money would be useful.
[+]ROBYoutube -6 points-5 points-4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah that's not your fault. Good thing to. If you had those things you'd have to get rid of those dog shit parts of your personality. Like this though you can just keep them and blame genetics.
[–]AnyIntroduction3288 -5 points-4 points-3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
You hate your looks/biology match
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I highly doubt he hates his biology match. It's much more likely that women with similar looks, personality and mental traits are the ones who hate him. After all, women are much more sexually selective than men.
I've seen pictures of him. He's well-above average in looks and he looks much younger than his age. It's only because of his neurodivergence that women have always rejected him.
[–]AnyIntroduction3288 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
He literally said to me that women his own age aren’t attractive to him and that he only wants women age 18-22
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Even though I can understand it, I think incels like him who refuse to date women their own age are basically volcels and should not identify as incels. Most of us are not like that.
I'm sure that when he was in his teens and 20s, women his age were already rejecting him and choosing other men over him. There was likely a long period of time when he was trying to date age-appropriate women, but experiencing nothing but rejection. It's doubtful he would have developed this monomanical obsession with dating a young woman and these negative views of women his own age if he had been able to date when he was young himself.
That said, even if he gave up on his unrealistic age preference, it's still highly unlikely that any woman his age would ever give him a chance.
[–]AnyIntroduction3288 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
If he’s well above average in looks he just needs to find a “post wall” neurodivergent woman.
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The wall doesn't really exist for women. Older women have less options than they had in their youth, but they still have more options than most men have.
I honestly can't think of any reason why an older neurodivergent woman would want to date someone like him.
If she's looking for a long-term relationship, she's going to care more about a man's social status and financial stability than about his looks.
If she's just looking for sex, she knows she can find even better looking and more charming men on Tinder.
[–]mewbestpokeman 7 points8 points9 points (9 children) | Copy Link
W*men only care about height looks and race. If you're unsuccesful with w*men you should have just chosen better biological parents.
[–]Alarming_Club7413Left-Wing Red Piller 💊💊 -3 points-2 points-1 points (8 children) | Copy Link
I get you're pissed off. But genuinely hating women and censoring that word is gonna make it worse. You're probably just some lazy guy who's NEVER worked out in his life and is behind a screen 24/7. IT'S IN YOUR OWN HANDS TO MAKE YOURSELF A TOP MAN.
[–]ItoshiSae10 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Just world fallacy
[–]mewbestpokeman 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Sub-50 IQ w*man/s*mp comment. I'll say it again, w*men care about looks height and race. Do you see "laziness" or "screens" anywhere in there? Nope, didn't think so.
[–]Alarming_Club7413Left-Wing Red Piller 💊💊 -1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
Bro. You're not hopeless. You can change your looks. Workout, eat a bit more healthy, don't masturbate. All of this is gonna make you a lot more masculine (and women are crazily attracted to masculine men).
[–]mewbestpokeman 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Won't change height or race, only improves looks for overweight people
LMAOOO this can't be real
[–]Alarming_Club7413Left-Wing Red Piller 💊💊 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
Masturbating KILLS your masculinity. Sperm is literally the liquid that can give LIFE. When you hold it inside you (retention) you can use it's masculine powers to get muscle, to look like A MAN and Not like some Femboy, to cure acne and many other things.
[–]mewbestpokeman 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know what colored pill this is but it's so far beyond r*tarded I'm not even gonna bother debating it JFL
[–]Alarming_Club7413Left-Wing Red Piller 💊💊 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
There are foods you can eat to improve your height, even slightly. And about race... That's just not True.
[–]Alarming_Club7413Left-Wing Red Piller 💊💊 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you workout ZERO times per week?? Do you eat McDonald's and chips and chocolates every single day?? Do you brush your teeth ONLY one time per day?? Ladt tome you got a haircut was 7 months ago?? Are you still playing videogames all day (kills your brainpower)??. If you answered YES to all these questions, then it's YOUR fault (and Not women's fault) that no girl is attracted to you.
[–]Rude_Excitement2909 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
it is a scientific fact that simply planning to do something rewarding releases dopamine in the brain. you dont even have to actually do the thing. not saying one shouldnt self-improve, but keep that in mind whenever you read self-improvement stuff like this. most of these people are just chasing that dopamine rush and they dont even know it.
[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Just world fallacy.
[–]Cautious_Vast5955 8 points9 points10 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Its 100% my fault that im short, ugly, low IQ, repulsive to women and a joke to society. Sure.
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill[S] 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Now you’re starting to own up to your mistakes 😃
[–]Onee-samas-sub1 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Its not my fault there is nothing i can do that will make women not repulsed by witnessing my visage.
[–]genderdesecretion -3 points-2 points-1 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You prolly can, you re just lazy
[–]Onee-samas-sub1 6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope i spent decades trying with no results some people were just born hopless
[–]Exciting_Pay_1898 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What he gets wrong is the fact that there are two sides: change in what the guy does/is, and change in what women want. Changing either can change the situation.
[–]InjectAdrenochrome 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yeah I did notice guys who never had to self improve because they are naturally attractive and as such develop good personalities due to positive reinforcement consistently do better than guys who had to work their asses off.
[–]Chad_Thundercock717 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, you shouldn't be surprised. This is a black pill sub disguised as a normal debate sub. Just look at the mods' flair.
[–]ExplorerFeisty2631 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Judging how you see very type of couple at social gatherings; if you aren't completely immunaly fucked or have strong mental/physical problems: yes, 99% of the time it is
[+]genderdesecretion -8 points-7 points-6 points (13 children) | Copy Link
This also goes for women. We are being taught that men are supposed to "earn" our attention, so we re not used to taking the initiative. And when we do and we get rejected, our worlds are crumbling.
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 10 points11 points12 points (7 children) | Copy Link
That's easy for you to say because as a woman, you're desirable by default and can't really fail at dating.
I doubt anyone taught you that. Women just naturally feel like they're a prize that men have to prove themselves worthy of.
A woman doesn't ever have to take the initiative or approach anyone. All she has to do is create an account on a dating app or show up at any social venue for at least someone to show interest in her.
[–]Equivalent_Layer8265 -2 points-1 points0 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Desirable by default. GTFO with that whining.
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 5 points6 points7 points (2 children) | Copy Link
You need to learn that someone stating a fact you disagree with isn't "whining". Simmer down a bit.
[–]Equivalent_Layer8265 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
That's not what's going on here.
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Not everything you dislike is the definition of whining. Get over yourself.
[–]genderdesecretion -5 points-4 points-3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Thats not true tho? I ve been rejected as a woman, i ve had girl friends who were rejected by men. Also yea we are being taught that. Its everywhere in pop culture, in our literature, etc. I could name you at least 3 books written by men in which women are treated as "prizes".
[–]WorldlinessFinal172 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
If you approach a man you like and ask him out, you might be rejected, obviously, and I never denied that.
My point was that approaching is optional for women. Women don't need to approach men; they just need to go to places where men can approach them.
When a man approaches you and asks you out, you already know that he likes you. It's impossible to get rejected if you just let men approach you.
And do you seriously believe that in novels written by women, the female protagonists don't typically expect men to make a lot of effort to win them over?
Any woman who expects men to gain her affection by being charming and successful is basically a prize to be won.
[–]genderdesecretion 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea i agree with both those things. Women are taught that they should be earned by men. That only men are supposed to ask them out, that only men are supposed to propose, that only men are supposed to initiate etc., Which is unfair. i dont get why You felt the need to contradict me when thats literally what i said from the beggining.
[–]genderdesecretion -1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
Could somebody explain to me why did i get downvoted?
[–]Relative_Editor_2179 7 points8 points9 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Because females take the initiative when the guy is Chad. I’ve tried Chadfishing and the number of females that initiated conversation was really surprising
[–]genderdesecretion -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
Why would that be surprising? Of course someone would be more inclined to text someone attractive. Is that a bad thing? Also, you re an asshole for doing that
[–]Relative_Editor_2179 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s surprising because I have seen that men have to take initiative and females usually act cold or disinterested. I did not say whether it was good or bad, I just said what happened.
Why am I an asshole? One minute out of a random female’s life is now a heinous crime?
[–]ItoshiSae10 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Because you claimed you are traught not to but EVERYTIME i am with my HVM friends out you all approach like horny men(and this is in a more conservative country btw).
[–]SoulBadguy0408 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Part of me thinks these people have a point, but the way they put it is always so shitty and slimey and gross. It also makes assumptions of the people who they feel are complaining about being a victim.
I think we know we aren't owed anything, and so women shouldn't have to be forced to have sex with us. We don't own them. Their body their choice.
I'm just having to believe they don't understand
[–]BufferG108Blackpilled Narayanacel 🕉 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
>> tfw you're literally raped and divorceraped by a woman, humiliated on national TV for no fault of your own, and forced to watch as that woman does a live no-anesthetic dissection on your extended family, but bluepillers say it's all your fault
Another day, another bluepiller.
[–]shadowcat211 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I forget sometimes that I gave myself autism and mental disorders.
[–]SedTheeMightyWhitePill[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. You can fix it if you just believe you can though 😅