Thats all of this, the entire "debate". Its just angry men wanting sex, and women not wanting sex with them.

For example, a girl I knew told me she was at a party getting high with a guy in the backyard, he said "durr hurr wouldnt it be cool if we just fucked right here?" and she told him "haha yes" and she told me in graphic detail him railing her in the backyard.

Now, if it were a man like me, who asked her for sex like that, this story would be entirely different. It wouldnt of been a "fun hookup" it would be "creepy ugly man HARASSED me."

The root of the issue is that ugly unattractive men desire sex. Thats all of this. Nothing more and nothing less.

Attractive men dont need a "red pill" lol attractive men get sex handed to them by women. Im willing to bet there is NO virgin man on this sub who "discovered" red pill, which lets be real is like saying they "discovered" fascism or something, then ended up getting laid. Even redpill sidebar has stories of men who "figured women out" and instead of getting laid, just went into infinite depression.

Because women? they dont care about ugly men. And red pill? It doesnt make you attractive.