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[–]pulley 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Congrats for creating a life for yourself man! You’ve already shown the world you can change, keep at it!
How’s the nightlife in Shanghai?
[–]AboveAFC2 points 15 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link
The SH nightlife is a bit overwhelming! LOL - seriously, for the past several weekends I've been rolling in at 7 or 8 AM.
I'm starting to meet people, but need to get more aggressive. I'm just still stuck in "nice" mode.
[–]twinsing 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You mean a 35-white-male needs a GAME in Shanghai? Can't be.
[–]AboveAFC1 points 15 years ago [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
I should clearify. Yes Chinese girls will throw themselves at you, but most really aren't any higher than an HB5 to me. No curves. That and they are batshit insane. I've had ones that I've just met once tell me they love me. No kino needed!
[–]twinsing 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That is interesting. So you WANT the game. Guys are a mystery.
[–]AboveAFC3 points 15 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
It's not so much that I "WANT the game" as you put it, but I have fun hanging out with people of the same background. Most of my sarcastic humor, discussions of politics, world events, entertainment, etc.. is lost on most of the Chinese here. The whole point is to have fun for yourself right?
Well, I find I have way more fun hanging out with people of similar backgrounds. A lot of Chinese women here are looking for a meal ticket. Woe and misery awaits the poor AFC that hooks up with them. They will use sex like a battle ax! I see it all the time. Guys who don't get a second glance in the USA have sweet things hanging off their arm. Pretty soon they are letting her move in, giving her money, buying her all types of overpriced purses and designer crap, and supporting her family too. All because she controls the sex. I've been there once and I'll be damned if I'm going back.
I would like to think I can still be a "nice person" at my core while unleashing my inner alpha. I don't plan to trick anyone into doing anything. I just want to not be afraid of my sexual side and figure out it's full potential. If some nice woman wants to see where my redline is with me, then she wins too right?
I guess I'm just upset that some people view being a MAN as a horrible thing. We are sexual. We are aggressive. It is in our nature, and women love it when we are. Yet society and religion have convinced us we are horrid creatures for not fighting against our very being. They have taught us all the wrong things for finding happiness with women. Is it any wonder why so many fail to find love?
If only I had a dollar for every time I heard a woman ask where all the good men are yet overlook a man who is right in front of her doing everything "social norms" demand of him. Maybe that's why so many relationships fail. "Social Norms" are BS.
I don't know for sure, but I'm trying to figure it all out. And I think the first step is understanding that I am not evil for being a MAN. I am what I am.
[–]twinsing 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh man. Never said it was evil :=) Just mysterious because I don't understand it (probably because I'm not a man). What is the difference between 'gaming' and just looking for great people to hang out with (and possibly have sex with if the attraction works?) or there isn't a difference? I don't know.
End of the day, I would choose a confident man who knows what he wants (not code for jerk) even if it isn't for a 'relationship'. But I find the idea of a "GAME" as it seems to be on this subreddit a little like an elaborate scheme. As a girl, I wouldn't want to be a part of someone's elaborate scheme and act predictable, you wouldn't either would you?
But maybe it isn't as bad and I shouldn't be so skeptical because most of the good "advice" I see would make any guy a better person. Maybe non-committal, but mostly better personalities. Just my impression.
[–]twinsing 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh..and agree on all counts about wanting to hang out with people of similar interests and good conversationalists, though I must say it wouldn't be easy in Shanghai. Good luck!
[–]philosarapter 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Games are so fun to play though. Why won't you play with us? :(
Sure, but I like to win which seems to be impossible in this GAME.
[–]AFCGirl 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Saying she loves you off the bat is the equivalent of you being a "nice guy:" She thinks that's how she needs to behave to attract you, but in reality it's bad game. It's not necessarily indicative of her being batshit insane.
[–]cvncpu 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is this common in all Asian countries?
[–]AFCGirl 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe. I have no idea. If it's a cultural thing, that could also explain it. This is a mistake I used to make, though.
[–]DukeOfPrunes 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Major props for turning your life around after so many years! From what you've said, it sounds like all that's keeping you from being more successful with women is your demeanor, and that's something that you can change with a bit of time and effort. Good luck!
[–]cousindupree 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I got some info that can be helpful. Email me.
Remember that the game is played in field and not on the computer. It is won (of course never really won) using a combination of abundance and scarcity. Fake abundance as if you have a lot of dates and as for scarcity, don't allow yourself to be too available.
That's enough for now. I was in Shanghai a couple of years ago; great time!
Cousindupree1 at g mail dot com
[–]RedErin 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Remember, the problem isn't actually that you're 'too nice'. It's just that you lack confidence.
[–]chumpta 3 points4 points5 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kino just scares the living hell out of me.
lol. i often forget how bad i had this. start by touching the back of your hand to a girl's upper arm. then move to the other side of your hand to her upper arm. try to do this when you emphasize stuff.
seriously, back of hand -> upper arm is like the LEAST intrusive kino you can possibly come up with. get comfy with that and work from there.
[–]omv 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like you're doing everything right. What do you do in China, if you don't mind me asking?
[–]AboveAFC2 points 15 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Engineer mostly, but a bit of everything.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh snap. I'm in an electronics lecture atm. 3 rd year uni. I too am too nice. Was it the career that allowed you to travel? No idea what to do after uni but travelling is a must. I want to see the world lol.
I'm new to game but just remember. Kino doesn't /shouldn't be sexual at first. Just platonic so you get in the mindset of being a kinesthetic guy. Also means when you escalate it will be less weird.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Is Barbarossa still open? Loved that place back in 2006. You can go to some of the seedier bars and practice kino on the girls that are paid to flirt with you. Expat whippersnappers, like myself, might think you're creepy, but who cares. Ju Lu Lu used to be the place for that. I miss shanghai. How's your Chinese ? Instant dhv.
Edit: just googles around, julu Lu was literally torn down. Fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu
[–]AboveAFC1 points 15 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Barbarossa is still there. One of the first places I got drug by some teachers I met. Not a bad place, but I should also mention that I'm just now learning to drink. So bars are also outside the comfort zone, for now. Workin on it though.
[–]2StandardDeviations 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll probably get a lot of flack for this, but don't be afraid to not drink if it doesn't fit your values/lifestyle. It does do some positive things as far as making you more social, but it comes at a significant price. Learning to play the game sober is tougher, but can be worth it.
If you ever get a hankering for american breakfast head over to blue moon. There used to be only one when i was there but now there are apparently several. Good spot to meet other non-Chinese if your looking for native English speakers
[–]yokhai 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Welcome to the forum. I'm excited to see this from the "older guy" stand point.
Welcome! I'm in a similar boat... I'mma friend you so I can watch your progress. Good luck sir!
[–]philosarapter 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Time to overcome fear man. Fear is the enemy. Its what you the mormon church has used since childhood to control you and is now the only thing that prevents you from going up to that cute girl you see and telling her a great joke you've just heard.
Fuck fear. Get angry at fear, and then let it have no say in how you run your life.
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