Syllogism: social skills contribute little to attraction.

Professional_Chair28 · 2024-08-27T04:45:18+00:00

You’re assuming everyone experiences spontaneous attraction. While that’s generally true for men, women largely experience responsive desire instead, in which social interaction does actually matter in the attraction equation.

attendquoi · 2024-08-27T02:13:52+00:00

You lost me in two spots:

P3: Competences that allow for communication and interaction do not change the outward appearance of your physical characteristics.

Incompetence definitely makes me lose attraction to a person, especially if it takes the person down to "Oh God I don't even want to be in the same room with them"

P4: Romantic and/or sexual relationships require romantic and/or physical attraction.

So here it seems like you're agreeing that romantic and physical attraction are different, but you seem to use them interchangeably. I need a lot more than physical attraction to arrive at romantic attraction.

Lanaglu · 2024-08-27T04:23:18+00:00

P2: is definitely wrong, any man regardless of how physically attractive can say things so off putting it will kill any attraction with me and I assume this is the case with most women. And on the other hand romance and flirty are skills if you are really good at them it can be really hot.

Your general argument can be boiled down to romantic and sexual attraction require a minimum physical attractiveness, but that doesn't say anything about how important social skills are. Both can be important and they are

qx4758 · 2024-08-27T04:06:15+00:00

Good reasoning, but wrong.

Social skills are an important screening tool. They tell other people that you're not a fucking weirdo.

Wise-Comedian-4316 · 2024-08-27T01:46:59+00:00

Why your using this proof statement I'm not sure.

This is blatantly false. The only way I can imagine thinking it's true is if I had no experience with mixed gender socializing in groups

januaryphilosopher · 2024-08-27T08:32:46+00:00

You said that attraction requires crossing a physical threshold (if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached) but not, crucially, that attraction only requires crossing some physical threshold (if and only if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached). Which would be a much stronger claim and not readily accepted.

OKSector69 · 2024-08-27T19:20:04+00:00

So you pass the physical attraction threshold, then you need to approach her, be charming, ask her out, go on a date with her and make conversation, eventually introduce her to your friends and family and she has to see how you are around other people. All of those steps rely on social skills.

EulenWatcher · 2024-08-27T03:22:53+00:00

Some arguments against:

Attraction can grow or decrease over time due to the way you present yourself and communicate.
Dating is built on attraction and communication. You cannot rely solely on your appearance and you need to be able to communicate with others in order to meet people and make bonds, including romantic ones.
For some people attraction can’t be built solely on appearance and they need to get to know a person before they can feel anything romantic of sexual towards them.

Suddenfury · 2024-08-27T04:09:43+00:00

I disagree with P2. Sexual attraction can be found just on how somebody carries themselves around others and oftenly the "threshold" concerns both physical appearance and social skills.

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2024-08-27T05:08:54+00:00

On the contrary, the “physical threshold” that you keep talking about is very mobile precisely based on things like social skills. Of course, there exists an appearance where a woman will determine no amount of social skills can pass the threshold, and that appearance is unique to every woman. But the point remains that social skills/charisma/compatibility, whatever you want to call it, has great power to slide that threshold around.

Lastly, I’m speaking within the terms of your premise, which claims that there is a threshold at all. This I fundamentally disagree with. The main reason why I don’t like this framing is because it encourages the idea that men with certain features are universally settled for. It doesn’t leave room for enthusiastic, mutual attraction in that partnership, something that happens frequently in real life between people who aren’t what we might call stereotypically attractive.

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januaryphilosopher · 2024-08-27T08:32:46+00:00

You said that attraction requires crossing a physical threshold (if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached) but not, crucially, that attraction only requires crossing some physical threshold (if and only if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached). Which would be a much stronger claim and not readily accepted.

januaryphilosopher · 2024-08-27T08:33:11+00:00

You said that attraction requires crossing a physical threshold (if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached) but not, crucially, that attraction only requires crossing some physical threshold (if and only if sexually/romantically attracted then x physical standard has been reached). Which would be a much stronger claim and not readily accepted, but would actually lead to your conclusion.

SaBahRub · 2024-08-27T02:41:21+00:00

Counterpoint: money and status

Title	Syllogism: social skills contribute little to attraction.
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Date	August 26, 2024 10:45 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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