Are definitions of psychopathy centred on men?

guitarb26 · 2024-08-30T10:16:42+00:00

A factor in the phenomenon of ‘medical models being designed around male bodies’ is also that it was/is seen as okay for the disposable men to be used as guinea pigs.

TheTinMenBlog · 2024-08-30T09:42:29+00:00

Feminist advocacy talks often about how ‘medical models are designed around male bodies’.

If you go far enough back then yes; drug dosages, symptoms, and treatments, were often designed around male bodies.

This led to the invisibilisation of many women, where the unique ways in which heart disease, stroke, or cancer presented in female bodies, was often overlooked, minimised or ignored entirely.

But whilst there is a kernel of (albeit exaggerated) truth to these claims, one thing is entirely missing from the conversation, which is never mentioned within the rousing words of those like Caroline Criado Perez.

Which is that – psychopathy models are also based on men.

So if cardiovascular studies on male hearts, has made heart disease in women invisible…

Then does male centric psychopathy research, make invisible the female psychopath too?

Well, new research says yes.

Much of psychopathy research was based on criminal psychopaths in prison, and of course, they are overwhelmingly male.

And from this research, a whole genre of slashing, cannibalising, chainsawing, and axe-wielding male psychopaths, gloriously splattered blood across our TV screens; cementing in place the extraordinarily physically violent, and entertaining, archetype of ‘psychopath’.

But such a male-centric model is now under question.

And now, with a more highly attuned magnifying glass, and a fine tooth comb, experts have put aside the popcorn; to reevaluate the more subtle signals of female psychopathy, which might have slipped through the net.

And consequently, those original claims, that male psychopaths outnumber female ones 4:1, or 5:1, or even 10:1, as often quoted in the literature, well, it could be far closer to 1:1.

So, is it time we re-examined all our male-centric medical models, to look for the hidden female psychopath, who may have fallen through the cracks too?

What do you think?

~

Prof Boddy talk

Images National Cancer Institute, and Darius Bashar

Illustrations by Arianna Marino

Snoo_78037 · 2024-08-30T12:41:51+00:00

It's not like MRAs have been saying this for years. The world just doesn't listen. The world is always trying to catch up with what MRAs say. We've seen this with conversations about domestic violence, sexual assault etc. If people listened to MRAs more often instead of demonising them we'd be able to help more people.

mr_ogyny · 2024-08-30T12:58:40+00:00

It's similar with narcissism. Narcissism manifests in women as the covert or vulnerable type. They use female victimhood as they know that is their strength, since people tend to believe and empathise with women more.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11199-024-01471-4

Abstract:

Research has only recently begun to explore narcissism in women using gender-inclusive assessments that move beyond traditional male-centric frameworks associated with grandiosity. Such work indicates gender differences in the onset and expression of narcissism, and risk factors of partner violence perpetration. The pathways to offending in narcissism may therefore be gendered but have yet to be tested. In this study, we investigated the mediating role of grandiose and vulnerable narcissism in the association between childhood exposure to maltreatment and later partner violence perpetration in adulthood, and the moderating role of gender in these associations. Participants (N = 328) completed scales of grandiose and vulnerable narcissism, perceived parenting styles, and physical/sexual and psychological abuse perpetration. Results indicated gender differences in grandiose (men higher) and vulnerable (women higher) narcissism. Retrospective reports of having mothers who were caring was negatively related to grandiose narcissism for men and vulnerable narcissism for women. Father overprotectiveness was positively related to grandiose narcissism in men. Self-reported vulnerable narcissism was related to greater perpetration of physical/sexual and psychological IPV in women, whereas grandiose narcissism was associated with greater perpetration of psychological IPV in men. For women, but not men, mother care was associated with reduced psychological IPV via lower vulnerable narcissism levels. These findings inform gendered risk markers of narcissism and perpetration of violence for intervention efforts.

SteelTheUnbreakable · 2024-08-30T16:32:01+00:00

Much of modern psychology has been centered around women.

This is why boys are treated as defective and prescribed amphetamines to make them behave, men who manage their emotions are said to lack "emotional intelligence" (which is such a stupid term), and talk therapy as it's currently structured is so useless to us.

It's amazing how here in the West, people bend over backward to find ways to make women victims.

flipsidetroll · 2024-08-30T10:22:58+00:00

There is a big academic push to change the definition and methods of diagnosing psychopaths. Only about 5% of psychopaths are violent or criminals. It’s more a processing of emotions disorder or lack of certain social emotions. They can bond with significant others, they just have different ways of showing it. So there are probably just as many female psychopaths as male. Too many people only expect violence from psychopaths when bipolar sufferers and borderlines can also be violent.

The flip side of this is that there are most likely just as many men who have borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder and are undiagnosed. There is no reason to think any mental illness is gender related. Much more likely they all affect men and women equally.

AtikGuide · 2024-08-30T12:47:52+00:00

Yes. it just gets ignored, because women use relationship aggression, whereas men are more likely to use physical aggression.

iGhostEdd · 2024-08-30T16:18:59+00:00

Did really no one thought until recently that this discrepancy is too big? Because of course women are humans like men are so why would there be such a huge gap? That's impressive, but in a bad way!

walterwallcarpet · 2024-08-30T10:11:36+00:00

Female disregard of males as equivalent human beings has hidden in plain sight since humanity began. Men and women can survive on a vegetarian diet. But, a pregnancy is doomed in the absence of folic acid and Vitamin B12, from meat. It is ludicrous to imagine that a 'go-getter' cavewoman could take a string of pregnancies to term without trading sex for meat. The link between intercourse and offspring would have been scarcely imagined at the time. It was NOT in female interest to become too emotionally attached to her provider, as he may never return from the next hunting trip. Women are interested in female utility, and the interests of children, particularly their own offspring, where, unlike males, their genetic legacy is guaranteed. Genetic input from MANY males is actually in their best interests, and today's dating situation is an expression of FEMALE choice (as ever), now that the moral exoskeleton of religion and societal-imposed 'modesty' is in full retreat. They make few bones about it. https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/who-s-the-daddy/

Their 'morals' and 'ethics' can be seen as thinly disguised psychopathic behaviour, according little or no weighting to the effect on males. https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/33/8/475.full.pdf

They marshal the resources of society against a victim, while watching from the sidelines. It's left to others to do the wet work. This does not mean that the instigator's hands are 'clean'. This dynamic was brought with them to the workplace. https://naturallawinstitute.com/2019/02/definition-gsrm-or-gsrrm/

Briffault's Law, where female 'love' is transactional, is a form of psychopathy. https://mgtowsolution.wordpress.com/briffaults-law/

There are good, evolutionary reasons why women are predominately left-brained. Unfortunately, right hemisphere damage, through stroke or injury (or inhibition through post-menarche oestrogen) tends to lead to psychopathic behaviour, where other people are seen as mere 'tools'. https://www.amazon.in/Wont-Need-Gillette-Taliban-Arrive-ebook/dp/B09FM7S5ZP

Sad-Persimmon-5484 · 2024-08-30T13:07:59+00:00

Oh yeah i've seen .any female phyocopaths in my time

RealStarkey · 2024-08-30T13:18:52+00:00

One of my biggest trigger is this.

If you have just one in your life you’ll understand how alone and miserable you’ll feel. There is no outlet for a man stuck in a relationship with one. You are supposed suck it up while every bit of lunacy is thrown at you.

Women talk all the time about how toxic some of their friends are. But good luck saying this about one of them as a man.

2024-08-30T13:09:30+00:00

Psychopaths also don't tend to "seek help" voluntarily since, well, they're usually doing great for themselves, why would they. So maybe "25% of women are treated for mental illness which means 75% are untreated" joke has a grain of truth in it

Enough-Staff-2976 · 2024-08-30T18:18:32+00:00

In law, female criminality is link to hormonal levels. Women get respite for actions that would be deemed criminal if they were a man.

IllustriousSalt5696 · 2024-08-30T16:08:09+00:00

women are infallible.

PROFESSA954 · 2024-08-30T17:21:37+00:00

Well uhh a woman is a person who identifies as a woman and a man is a person who identifies as a man now biology be damned... So all of this is moot now right? Or maybe not because if everyone can potentially become a woman there's theoretically no men left to oppress Them... unless We force one person to be a martyr and be the only man in existence, and nail Them to a cross to atone for all men's sins? I don't know anymore man...

mrkpxx · 2024-08-30T12:26:10+00:00

Histrionics is the female form of psychopathy.

momz33 · 2024-08-30T14:40:12+00:00

No. Im literally watching taylor on YT.

Girlfriend realises cop found her morbid secret.

Damn shes scaring me and i watch this stuff daily.

Saerain · 2024-08-31T01:01:02+00:00

Certainly seems like female ASPD is more likely to be treated as BPD/HPD, if at all.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-08-31T08:14:46+00:00

You could say that there is a 'mild' form of psychopathy which hides in plain sight. https://www.amazon.in/Making-Mundane-Monsters-only-brain-ebook/dp/B0C1GYSCBB

HiddenIntel2024 · 2024-09-02T07:13:08+00:00

propaganda and brainwashing

RevelationSr · 2024-08-30T10:50:33+00:00

Wish this post came with research data.

StarZax · 2024-08-30T12:47:52+00:00

That's actually something I've never thought about it, so kudos to you for bringing awareness to new subjects even in our own circles !

I knew that therapy and overall « psychological health » was more tailored to women, I mention that because that's made me remember it as it's probably the thing that looked like it the most ... But it's also true that those concepts of « narcisistic pervert », psychopaths and sociopaths are really made to point « flaws » with men

Rightfully so tho, when someone is acting like a psychopath it's only right for them to be labelled correctly so they can be helped accordingly, but I think it also got out of hand and it used widely, and I think that also pushed people to not think that women would also be antisocial.

I think that some would say that's because women are expected to be more social ... which I can understand, but aren't men expected to be social too ? I know I am despite my best efforts to fit in.

Anyway, I think I'm out of subject, I just wanted to rumble around and say thanks for your work. I always say that, but it's always a pleasure to read each new slide that comes up. Very insightful, gives matter to think about, sometimes, stuff that I'd never thought about. Really great stuff 👍

Massive-Word-5067 · 2024-08-30T12:07:03+00:00

Not to be the tinfoil hat guy, But, I think outdated foggies like Guardian are rolling out against female anything is because they will soon be pushing for female Android bots as the new culture war.

624Seeds · 2024-08-30T13:37:29+00:00

Doesn't this just reaffirm the fact we live in a patriarchal society where men are the default for everything..?

Title	Are definitions of psychopathy centred on men?
Author	TheTinMenBlog
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Date	August 30, 2024 9:42 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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