GQ Article: "Can Pat Ryan Help Democrats Win Men Back"?

NonbinaryYolo · 2025-01-28T12:57:43+00:00

I find the idea that we need political parties to define masculinity for men regressive, and demeaning as fuck.

It's not "Let's stop demonizing men".

It's not "Let's raise social awareness about the 1 in 3 men that face domestic abuse".

It's not "Let's address the education gap for men".

It's not "Let's address how HEAL industries are 75%+ dominated by women".

It's not "Let address the gender gap".

Talking about creating a healthy view of masculinity is literally JUST propaganda. It's shallow, it's purely just marketing. And it's nothing new. Feminists.... right now.... are using the same idea of healthy masculinity to shame, and compel men into social compliance.

Imagine if the democratic party's answer to LGBTQ+ issues was to create.... a "healthy" idea of queer identity. That's basically how I read this.

There's no basic foundation of respect for people as individuals anymore, and it's fucking sad.

_WutzInAName_ · 2025-01-28T14:16:48+00:00

Some good points that outline the problems of misandry on the left below. Unfortunately, it hasn’t really occurred to the Democratic Party to treat men as humans too, who deserve attention and resources for their needs and problems. Instead, the Democrats largely ignore or vilify men. Or at best they treat men as servants or walking ATMs for women.

“Republicans often claim that men are demonized unfairly, while Democrats insist that as long as women are suffering, men and their problems can wait.”

“But when Democrats say that masculinity is toxic and the future is female, some men become defensive and aggrieved. Maybe you don’t find this to be a legitimate social problem, but it’s certainly—if you’re a Democrat—an electoral one.”

“Republicans seemed to like men. They asked for their vote. And when they told men that Democrats didn’t care about them, the message landed. “Democrats didn’t see men as having problems,” Reeves quipped, “they saw them as being the problem.””

hendrixski · 2025-01-29T00:51:20+00:00

he said that Democrats should provide an alternative, a masculinity that’s healthier and more patriotic than Trump’s

I have a better proposal: STOP TELLING MEN HOW TO BE. Don't call it "provide masculinity". Call it what it is. It's telling other people how you think they should act based on gender.

How about you accept men as they are? Even if you don't like men and even if you don't approve of the way that men are. Just accept them into leftwing spaces, welcome them, and let them be themselves.

McCasper · 2025-01-28T13:09:29+00:00

Honestly on at least a surface level he gives similar energy to Walz. That is to say, I don't think the official democrat party was particularly repulsive to men. They had pretty much the same as always "how do you do, fellow men?" ineffective yet inoffensive energy they've always had. The democrats didn't push men away, the internet did.

If I recall the exit polls correctly, it was mostly young men that skewed right, and actually older men changed slightly to the left. And what difference between younger and older men explains the gap? My bet is online activity. Because what do men see online that you don't see as much as in real life? Man vs Bear and other culture war garbage.

As unfair as it might seem, the democrat party is being unofficially represented online by unhinged keyboard warriors and identity politicians who seem to have made it their mission to demonize the white, the straight, and the male. I guarantee you the Man vs Bear fiasco cost the democrats votes even though they didn't have anything to do with it. Men just saw women and male feminists calling them violent monsters worse than bears, associated them with the left, and voted against them.

SvitlanaLeo · 2025-01-29T09:04:19+00:00

I'm fed up with the use of the term "masculinity" in the liberal press.

Title	GQ Article: "Can Pat Ryan Help Democrats Win Men Back"?
Author	iantingen
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Date	January 27, 2025 6:05 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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