How can women make dating/relationships better/more fair for men?

Big-Flatworm-135 · 2025-06-10T17:51:30+00:00

Initiate

AbysmalDescent · 2025-06-10T19:46:34+00:00

Treat men like people, make an effort, be more proactive(i.e. don't put it all on men to pursue or chase you, reach out, initiate, offer suggestions, show interest, etc), and be respectful/mindful. That's it.

GmanRaz · 2025-06-10T21:15:49+00:00

Initiate.

Be honest

Dont cheat

Show us actual kindness and empathy

Respect us

Stay in shape and take care of yourself

Dont Nag us all the time

Dont try to make us give up our hobbies (IE dont view hobbies and our male friends as competition)

Have sex with us on a regular basis and dont use intimacy as a weapon to get what you want

Support our dreams and goals and encourage us

Don't talk down to us (especially around others like friends and family whether we are present or not).

Dont treat us as emotional tampons

Recognize when we do things for you

Understand that its not a Mans job to entertain you or make you happy. That is each individual persons own responsibility and always has been.

Love me for who I am. Not what I provide for you.

Notice how only one thing on that list had anything to do with sex? It's largely not all men care about.

I've given up on dating a while ago, but something women dont understand is that most men are loyal. (the players most women chase obviously are not, but then they think all men are like that.) No just all the men most women get the hots for are. But I digress.

If I were to ever date again I would say this to any potential woman: You will never be in competition with other women with me. You are in competition with the peace I know I have when I am single.

Peace is the most valuable. You bring drama and problems all the time? No thanks.

Emotional_Branch_293 · 2025-06-10T21:14:19+00:00

Take our house and give us a home worth dying for... and we would.

Numerous_Solution756 · 2025-06-10T20:13:02+00:00

A book could be written on that topic, but I'd say:

The woman and man should either agree on modern gender roles, or traditional gender roles. But the woman doesn't get the benefits of both and the drawbacks of neither, as is typical today.

So:

- if the couple agrees on traditional gender roles, completely fine. But then the man should be respected and supported and listened to. And while the woman can obviously refuse sex sometimes, she doesn't just get to reduce sex to 1/year or never as some women do. Also, "till death do us part" doesn't mean "if I'm just not feeling it any longer, even though you didn't cheat or abuse me or really did anything horrible, I'll leave you and take half your stuff."

- if the couples agrees on modern gender roles, completely fine. But then both people should do equal emotional labor, rather than the typical pattern of "the woman regularly vents, but if the man ever shows weakness she refuses to listen and / or dries up like the sahara." Also, both people pay equally. Also, the woman doesn't get to just be unreasonable sometimes "because she's a woman." Also, the woman needs to take equal responsibility and accountability. Also, "this hurts my feelings" isn't an argument. Also, the woman should initiate a sizeable chunk of the time. Also, the woman shouldn't just starfish in bed. Also, it's not the man's responsibility to keep her entertained / happy / feeling okay. Also, be anti-male discrimination (a lot of women actually aren't, or at most pay lip service to that idea).

To be clear I'm not saying that all women are like this. Some women are amazing.

World-Three · 2025-06-10T18:32:47+00:00

Honestly... There's a lot to unpack.

I'm a little older and from a generation where men and women were proud to talk about what they liked. I'd genuinely prefer if women and men weren't chastised for jumping in conversations they hear that interest them. I'd like to have something in common with someone and not have the entire relationship be built off the idea that I want to crush them ontop of a bed with my pelvis repeatedly.

When we hear both men and women talk about each other there's a large lack of personal character and it feels political. And because all of the gendered politics are taboo aside from feminism, women's opinion of men is usually, is he a real man? Does he ally with feminism? And is he attractive in one way or another? While men are basically looking for an attractive atheist who doesn't believe in all the shit they're being fed. There used to be additional qualities and hobbies we attached to people that could counter their political and religious ideas. Things that made it where we didn't recycle bin someone based on first impression only. As it is now, the only things stopping that action are superfluous. Like being rich, attractive, or known to be good in bed.

If we push the issue to valuing people more, there's going to be a whole lot less incel, Blackpill, etc falling off the bridge. And we'll be supported in speaking against useless blanket hatred against people we should first assume we don't know enough about to say what is said about them. Examples: yes all men, I hate men, men are pigs, kill all men, etc etc.

IceCorrect · 2025-06-10T19:16:13+00:00

They won't, especially when they have countless options

WhereProgressIsMade · 2025-06-10T20:57:08+00:00

It's pretty simple - his life should be substantially better with her there than if they had never entered the relationship. So when a woman asks herself what she can do to make that happen, the answers and how important each thing is will vary quite a bit from man to man.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2025-06-10T18:44:54+00:00

Stop treating every man you do not know who says "Hello" to you like he's probably some kind of rapist. (In other words, stop being a bitch).

Stop thinking you're every man's dream girl, because that is not even close to reality. (This encapsulates a whole ton of stuff; like don't expect him to pay for every date, don't expect him to put up with you treating him like dirt (there's that don't be a bitch thing again), don't think you have the right to cheat while going nuts if he cheats, stop thinking it's OK for you to marry a man just to divorce him for his money, and so much more. in other words stop thinking YOU'RE SO DAMN SPECIAL.

Stop hating men. Again, this encapsulates so many things, but I'm not going to write a book here.

former_farmer · 2025-06-10T18:51:10+00:00

Initiate. Don't expect us to pay or have great jobs. Don't expect us to entertain you. To make you laugh. Respect us. Don't cheat. Don't look for attention on social media when you already have a man. Share knowledge, dont always expect the man to teach you. You can also teach him. Don't dress like a slut. Avoid unnecessary surgeries and beauty products.

EnormousPurpleGarden · 2025-06-11T00:38:08+00:00

Start treating men like human beings. Men are not your providers. Men are not your protectors. Men are not your emotional punching bags. Men are not your physical punching bags either.

Men are just people. They deserve to be loved for who they are, not for what they can provide. They deserve to be treated with respect.

Do not expect men to pay for everything. Do not expect men to do everything. You are half of the couple, so you're responsible for half of the effort. If you're interested in a man, ask him out; don't expect him to pursue you.

Actively care about men. If they need help, help them. If they have grievances about the world or about feminism, take them seriously and listen to understand, instead of listening to respond.

BryanDaBlaznAzn · 2025-06-10T22:13:13+00:00

Honesty, transparency and mutual respect

Superb-Abrocoma5388 · 2025-06-11T05:31:02+00:00

Care about our feelings how you would WANT US to care about YOURS.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-06-11T06:17:37+00:00

Be honest about their sexuality, and sexual compatibility needs for one.

NCC-1701-1 · 2025-06-10T21:20:15+00:00

Dating has become pointless for the average guy. If you are a chad you will get laid no matter what. For the rest of us we compete against the harem model, only fans, sugar dating, etc.

UWontHearMeAnyway · 2025-06-11T08:45:17+00:00

Change the laws. Stop incentivizing women to leave. No fault divorce needs to go, for starters. The whole take half bs was for when women didn't work. So get rid of that too. Child custody needs to be more fair too, and cold support needs to be limited.

And there needs to be some kind of agreement, or compromise. Especially with sex. Too many women stop having sex with their man after marriage. So women need to come up and give a good alternative, that they are also good with. Forced celibacy is not a viable option.

Lets_Remain_Logical · 2025-06-11T10:45:17+00:00

Stop listening to their single girlfriends!

corporate_robot_dude · 2025-06-11T10:57:37+00:00

Men have very simple requirements and are wired to want to be providers for a woman. All you have to do is be pleasant to look at, be nice (feminine), and virtuous (not having been with a lot of dudes). If you possess those things, a woman can easily lock down a man who will happily provide AND improve himself for her.

But seemingly that is too much to ask for. Modern women now have high body counts, are hard to deal with, and rather wait at the finish line for Chad rather than working with someone with potential to shape him into the character she wants. Women can so easily be set for life, but they seemingly rather follow their emotions and take the hard path eventually leading them to be old, miserable, and run through.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-06-11T11:09:02+00:00

Give as much as they demanding.

Its not hard reciprocation is what's really lacking. High demands is not the problem but they put all the demands on others but are outraged when the other side has any demands of there own.

So if they just give as much as they demanding. Relationship and dating as a whole would in really big ways heal.

But women are quick to demand a guy thats over 6foot what's literally like 12% of men. But outraged when a men is like well dont want a girl that gets "around" to much so has had less then 5 partners. But thats oppressive. Gets quickly yelled.

While equal reciprocation so hold the same standards you so easily demand of others is all people often want.

But often they want people to keep and keep makeing sacrifices while they dont have to make any at all. But of a guy plays the same game or use a women the same way they use a men. All men are bad boys men are scum bla bla bla.

All they need to do what ever there standards would be uphold the same standards they demand of others. Cause if you refuse to live by your own standards why would you expect anyone to take your standards seriously. And thats everything at its core.

Women want men to sacrifice them self and always put the needs of the women above them selfs. But a women would never meet that same devotion in kind.

What is on and on and on more examples but the core is the same. Reciprocate to give what you get and to get what you give. Don't demand what your unwilling to give. It makes you unworthy of receiving any off it

Chupadedo · 2025-06-11T14:36:17+00:00

Understand it's not humiliating that your man earns less than you. Times have changed and now women have great careers with high paying jobs. If you won't date anyone who earns less than you you're limiting your dating pool unnecessarily.

emilyghetto616 · 2025-06-10T18:51:25+00:00

Dating/relationships will never be "fair". Relationships are access to people (intimate or not), you can't "fairly dole out" access to other human beings. We all are the gatekeepers of ourselves and have every right to be picky about who we interact with.

emberflowers · 2025-06-10T23:53:42+00:00

coming from a woman (me) who does most things for her fiance (long distance, 3rd world country, he hasn't worked for 2 years, until yesterday!! so proud of him <3), always prioritize being his peace. if that means cook more meals, think of more at-home dates (or outside if he is out doorsy and not too tired), give him messages and always do more things he likes. so many woman, all the young women in the current dating pool are SO self centered. women want a traditional man (providing and princess treatment), never want to be a traditional women, woman are so stupid now a days they want everything their way and to give nothing. women just need to try harder to be patience, attentive, looking out for their man's well being. its really something not that hard and it comes by when you really love someone, not the shallow love most women express towards men. woman need to go back to just thinking with the heart and not their brain (or what tiktok tells them when they lack a brain)

MichalK9 · 2025-06-11T08:57:33+00:00

They won't, because it's very good for them as of now.

plainoldusernamehere · 2025-06-11T12:42:54+00:00

Don’t be a single mom, don’t be covered in tattoos, don’t be obsessed with social media, don’t be a raging feminist, be realistic with your expectations of what men are in your league.

To sum it up, do the opposite of what seems like a majority of women currently do. If you have any friends that refuse to settle for any guy and the only thing they care about is their career. Use them as an example of what not to do.

Responsible-Plant573 · 2025-06-10T20:04:53+00:00

doing that will hurt their profits

aerial_coitus · 2025-06-11T11:19:04+00:00

just STFU about it already

Jake0024 · 2025-06-11T04:25:37+00:00

Having men to do an equal share of housework

Title	How can women make dating/relationships better/more fair for men?
Author	BookwormNinja
Upvotes	70
Comments	57
Date	June 10, 2025 5:50 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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