The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.

Altiemcaltface69 · 2026-07-18T05:58:07+00:00

Here's a direct quote from a historically leading second wave French feminist and philosopher called Simone de Beauvoir in a 1975 interview with Betty Friedan, where de Beauvoir argued against the societal conditioning of women. She stated: "No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."

That's what they call social planning. What is however not so appealing, is that in the countries where this was implemented the fastest, like South Korea and Japan, the fertility rates also plummeted more steeply.

That's what they call a rush job, while leaving the plebs to pick up the pieces and point the finger at one another.

MonkeyUseBrain · 2026-07-18T11:05:43+00:00

I think the issue is that many women think they're like men when they're clearly not. A lot of men are getting tired of maintaining the idea that men and women are essentially the same.

Then, a women finds the man of their dreams, they often revert to their default settings and become more feminine.

It's almost like a test. They take on a more masculine role to rule out the men they're not interested in, but once they find someone they genuinely admire, they stop being masculine.

At least, that's what I've been observing.

Gleichstellung4084 · 2026-07-18T13:37:16+00:00

A way to see this, was that men and women (and children and old people) were working to the utmost of their abilities, until they were 105% exhausted, just to subsist. Until very recently in history, work at home was excruciatingly hard and would bring even a well seasoned labour worker of today to his knees - imagine having to make your own cleaning detergent, wash clothes with water that was carried, take care of animals, children that were often sick, take care of a big big family, mend clothes, have a side-hustle (taking care of other children, making clothes, packaging things to sell etc.), clean a house that is made of sub-standard old materials and is not 100% waterproofed etc. Dirty clothes did not mean that people had just some body-odour. It meant that they would contract lice and cholera from one another.

Men did not have a huge ability to self-identify and self actualise, conscription for war being the best example for that. They were expected to provide and they did. They were being beaten worse than girls, they were oftentimes given less ability to go to school, they were also force married. Therefore, the lack of rights of women (compared to the world of today), should be seen through the lens of the time and not through an idealistic world that did not exist.

People were working creating systems that supported each other. The man could do back-breaking work, because the woman was taking care of things. Creating a revisionistic view of that, pretending that women were enslaved like a parrot in a cage, same way that black people worked as slaves in the cotton fields of white colonialists, is diminishing the hard work everyone was providing and the progress that has been made since.

omegaphallic · 2026-07-18T12:04:09+00:00

"Traditional gender roles" were the excludive domain of the aristocracy until the explosion in the size of the middle class after WW2 allowed it to become economical, but even then lower class women still needed income.

My_Legz · 2026-07-18T09:04:10+00:00

"Women naturally want men to lead. Men naturally protect. Women naturally stay home. It's a very convenient worldview,"

The term "Red Pill" is terrible to describe this attitude. There are plenty of things and ideas the "Red Pill" describe but that is not one of the core ones so why obfuscate?

That is a specific corner of a Christian revival gender debate that is a fringe of "Red Pill" thought.

If we instead talked about hypergamy and things like that it would fit the bill much better, if we want to talk about the "Woman want men to lead and stay at home" lets talk about the CR movement instead

The_Warruner · 2026-07-18T14:29:34+00:00

Red pill and feminism is the two sides of the same coin. I do not blame men who believe in red pill nonsense when feminism is built around the same idea of all power concentrated on men and women always being subordinate through history. As feminist narrative control a lot of important institutions like academia, UN and EU etc. with iron grip, it is no wonder men fall to their lies of historical revisionism that feminists create and red pillers use for grift.

Brave_Link1788 · 2026-07-18T05:52:48+00:00

I wish andrew tate talked about mens right instead of men being provider and protecter (slave).

TheKep27 · 2026-07-18T06:31:13+00:00

Red Pillers would survive just about enough time in the primordial world of our ancestors before they died of thirst.

Their idea of how society should be structured depends entirely upon society producing surplus wealth. Hilarious, macho types are actually dependent on the most basic sort of welfare to live out their fantasies, on tiny bit of trust and honor existing in the culture.

You notice how the main propagators of this ideology produce nothing for value and are most dishonorable and predatory people of all times?

Feisty-Shower806 · 2026-07-18T22:14:32+00:00

Aren't redpillers pretty diverse when it comes to supporting or condemning gender roles? There are also those who try to hold both positions at the same time, depending on what's convenient...

AbysmalDescent · 2026-07-18T07:45:31+00:00

A lot of what the red pill attributes to biology are just cultural biases. It's not that women naturally want to stay home, it's that self-infantilization and weaponized incompetence has been accepted in women. That's not biology, that's just social enabling.

Women have also often done a lot of work but it's also not "men" who are disputing that fact either. It's usually women who downplay these realities so that they can justify this idea that they should be treated like children, and that men should play the role of their fathers.

SuperMario69Kraft · 2026-07-18T08:15:56+00:00

You're forgetting to mention how evolutionary psychology is directly harmful to our cause for men's rights. Often, I feel like these Right-wingers are worse than the feminists, because at least feminism works towards many of the same progressive goals towards which we're striving for our own liberation as men, sometimes accidentally benefitting men. At least feminists, when they're not too radicalized, are capable of forming egalitarian relationships with us and agreeing with similarly progressive values.

Redpill tradcons can be so much worse because their ideology rationalizes misandry as inevitable and unfixable. Never, until we get extraordinary evidence therefor, will I accept the injustices of female selectivity/hypergamy, male sexual competition, slut-shaming, and creep-shaming as biological instincts. Nearly every liberation movement was founded on challenging old notions of human nature and has succeeded therein. Clearly, women are just as capable as men are at working the same white-collar jobs, and men are just as capable of caring for children, just as all racial groups are biologically capable of the same achievements; if men and women were so different, it would be far more evident by now.

FightHateWithLove · 2026-07-18T15:53:47+00:00

It's bioessentialism. Which is always conveniently a call to inaction, because if something is "natural" then not only is it appropriate, it's unavoidable.

So instead of trying to fix anything, it just calls for you to come exploit the bad system as best you can.

And of course with bioessentialism, you also get to make sweeping generalizations and treat them as the undeniable truth.

EnigmaticGolem · 2026-07-18T05:57:56+00:00

A lot of appeal to nature arguments are dumb because if it was nature why would there be so many women who didn't want to stay home then? It just doesn't make sense

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Imakemyownnamereddit · 2026-07-19T08:32:24+00:00

The counter to that, is if a feminist told a leftwinger tides were sexist. A modern leftie would sit on the beach, till they drowned because the sea couldn't be coming in. As they know tides are a patriarchal conspiracy.

When reality disagrees with the world view of progressives, reality must have it wrong. The most laughable example I saw of that, was progressive/feminist attacks on physics. They thought physics must be sexist because it was dominated by men.

Watching feminist academics, who would struggle to count to ten, if they couldn't look at their hands. Try to put together criticism of quantum mechanics, relativity and fluid mechanics was pure comedy gold.

The same is true with sex and relationships. Biology makes progressives, like yourself, deeply uncomfortable. Hence your attempts to deny biology influences human behaviour. Hate to break this to you, you're an animal and you have drives like other animals. Sure your reason can override those drives but to claim they don't exist is laughable.

Sex is ultimately about reproduction and if we are driven by biology, you would expect to observe certain things. Women should be far more picky when it comes to partners because reproduction is more risky for them than men. Men don't get pregnant, risk child birth. That matches how we see men and women behave in the real world.

You would expect men to prefer younger women because older women are less fertile or infertile. Pregnancy and child birth are also riskier for older women. Once again that matches what we see in the real world.

You would expect women to want men with resources and status. Not only because it indicates that such a man has better genes; they also need a provider/protector. Being pregnant and caring for an infant leaves a women vulnerable and she needs someone to provide for her in that situation.

Once again that matches what we see in the real world.

Now if you wish to deny biological influences on a human behaviour. I suggest you head down to your nearest beach, put up a deckchair by the waters edge and demand the sea doesn't come in. Tell the sea it is sexist, that it shouldn't make your feet wet.

That is as rational as your attempts to deny the biological influences on our behaviour.

Let the down voting begin.

Forackol · 2026-07-18T08:50:10+00:00

Biological essentialism is right wing ideology and today's findings in anthropology, biology, neurology show us that we dont have an essence. We are shaped by material conditions

Title	The Red Pill Will Never Have Good Prescriptions Because Its Historical Claims About Gender Are Wrong.
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Date	July 17, 2026 10:43 PM UTC (2 days ago)
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