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[–]Beltox34 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If it doesn't represent TRUE facts and figures it is just as misleading and incorrect as the first one that was posted. So while this is subjective humour based from an ignorant infograph it's not we should be portraying to the outside community.
[–]MaunaLoona-12 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Think of it as a negotiation. They say 0 to 3% are false accusations. We say 30 to 50%. Now there's room for debate :).
[–]SchrodingersRapist6 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
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You don't negotiate about facts. Either it is true or it's as much propaganda as that bullshit feminists sling around
[–]LDM31217 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
are we sure about the facts with this?
[–]fozz315 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
While I'm happy to see an info-graphic which seems closer to what I believe to be true, I too would like to see the source of these numbers. If we blindly believe and redistribute this, we are no better than those who made the original picture.
[–]SocialistKilljoy8 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
On what basis do you believe this is closer to the truth?
[–]fozz311 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Based on figures I've previously seen but can't recall the exact values of. This coupled with my own personal experience. I've never heard of someone I know getting raped, or raping someone for that matter, male or female. I and two other males have however been falsely accused. Luckily we all had strong alibis. I realize my tiny circle of friends isn't anything near a reliable representation of an entire population but it still gives me a certain amount of confirmation bias which I can't shake.
[–]LadyCrawley4202 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I work with people as a social worker. I had no idea how prevalent rape was (especially against men!!!!) until I interned at a hospital in Baltimore. Holy shit. Just because you don't know anyone doesn't mean it happens.
[–]fozz312 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
! thanks for sharing.
[–]Chamoflage13 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
What's the source on the numbers for this? You know that anyone who sees it in a facebook feed will demand the source (if they comment at all), there's hardly any point in posting it until you have the source ready to go in advance.
[–]insanitybook10 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Do you have a source for these numbers?
[–]C0CKPUNCHER6 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Rape can occur without leaving physical evidence - so I don't think how much it does occur can be compared to how much it is reported - there isn't a way to collect that data. The people I know who have been raped/ molested haven't ever reported it.
[–]Coinin5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is a really bad idea.
[–]pcarvious4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
The original infographic was bad because it didn't show it's sources, didn't explain what came from where and oversimplified the issues.
If you want to really fix this info graphic then there should be
Cases not investigated
Cases investigated but charges were withdrawn
Cases where the victim refused to cooperate with the prosecution
Cases where there wasn't enough evidence.
Cases proven false
Cases unable to be proven or disproven
Cases that led to arrests
Cases that led to arrest but prosecution wasn't able to prove their case
Cases where arrest and conviction occurred.
Cases where the conviction were false.
And I imagine a few other topics too.
[–]upvotenotdownvote1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Perhaps you should have thrown an area in there for the jailed falsely accused, there may not be many but it has happened...
[–]katzemann0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Note the single "Falsely accused" in the "Jailed" section. :)
[–]oneiorosgrip3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's 10% of the figures in that section.
[–]katzemann1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I like to hope that our legal system helps prevent the falsely accused from being jailed. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt as there is no data.
Them who? The legal system? If so... I suggest you ask Brian Banks about that.
[–]HumanMob1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Source?
[–]Lawful_Neutral_50001 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
As a multiple assault and rape victim woman, I think this is ridiculous. We dont need this many men as rapists to justify being afraid of them. The guy could have killed me. He was a 1 in 100 kind of guy, and that's enough for me to justify the fact that I no longer find joy in romantic relationships with men. This graph doesn't do anything for women.
[–]oneiorosgrip0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This looks good. If you were to change anything, the only thing I'd advise would be to add the word "Alleged" before "Rapists" at the top.
[–]katzemann-1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I wish I thought of that! AWESOME!
[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics0 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'd be interested in seeing a break down of the "reported/faced trial/convicted".
The way it was originally presented it made it appear as if every single one as a rapist and most got away with it.
A great many could have been false accusations that were never proven false (hard to do to begin with) but were shown to be so completely without merit that they were tossed out after a police investigation, or in the courts.
[–]MaunaLoona-1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This is better, but I believe the percentage of falsely accused is closer to 25-30%. There's no need to overstate our case.
[–]Coinin3 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
We have no idea what the figure is either way. If we knew for sure whether someone had been falsely accused there would be no need for a trial.
[–]AnnArchist-4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
looks fixed to me, we can all go home
[–]danredux-10 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There's so many downvotes in here it's almost suspicious.
[–]AeneaLamia14 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
There are downvotes because spreading this data is just as bad as the original. If neither is subject to real statistics and evidence, it is useless as anything other than satire and doesn't help us.
[–]Coinin2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I'm with Aenea, two wrongs don't make a right.
[–]EvilPundit-11 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Yes! This one looks much more like reality.
Now we should spread it wherever the false graphic has made an appearance. A bit of documentation about sources probably wouldn't hurt.
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