Awarness of the red pill makes me depressed

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March 3, 2019

Then again, before it I was depressed, suicidal and felt helpless. Now atleast I value myself way higher and I'm way better at pulling chicks. Still though, thoughts that tell me my perfect girl never existed in the first place, love as my blue pilled mind understood it is not possible and that I'll never again experience the same naive emotional rush as before leave me just plain sad. I'm extremely better at understanding, navigating and functoning in reality, but this reality is bleak and the colors are not as bright as they used to be. I can put a label on everything and sooner or later I always turn out to be right. I went through phases of anger and resentment, now it's just that I know reality will never again be as lively as it used to be, because I don't care about anything as much as I used to and I don't know if I ever will. Is this normal? Can you progress from this stage in red pill development?

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Title Awarness of the red pill makes me depressed
Author ChesterRickman
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Comments 107
Date 03 March 2019 08:59 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]TitySuker78 points79 points  (79 children) | Copy

The bitterest pill of them all.

[–]-saltymangos-18 points19 points  (78 children) | Copy

black pill is more bitter

[–]TitySuker34 points35 points  (50 children) | Copy

The black pill is debatable. I'm not going to shame those who believe though.

The red pill is a shot to the gut. Reading Rollos first book pained me because of all the mistakes I've made with women previously.

[–]-saltymangos-18 points19 points  (49 children) | Copy

it’s science. look at r\blackpillscience and read some of the articles and look at the studies. it’s the true. yes, the red pill and black pill are similar in a lot of ways, but the black pill says only somewhat attractive people and up can pull off the red pill ways. if you’re an ugly fuck it doesn’t matter how much “game” you put into women because at the end of the day they want to have offspring that survive. a tall, attractive man is much more likely to have sex than a short, ugly guy who is all about the red pill. look up the halo effect too.

[–]catgirlmasterrace16 points17 points  (43 children) | Copy

god damn it, I was wishing I was wrong about this, but I had the same hunch after years of TRP, that the red pill only helps you optimize what you can get in the realistic range that your looks limit you to, but it's still all about looks... If you roll ugly on the looks dice, you're done for

[–]Sero-Flex20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re most definitely not done for if you’re rich and/or high social status. You’re gonna sit here and tell me Lil Pump gets bitches because of his looks? Ight.

[–]-saltymangos-6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

it’s not ONLY that can get you girls. look at athletes. some are ugly as fuck but still pull because they are high status. plus he gets low quality girls. he probably pays girls to be around him. they’re only around him for the attention lol. she can tell all her girl friends “i sucked lil pump’s dick” and she’s be climb the social hierarchy.

he’s ugly as fuck but if you have money and status girls won’t turn down an invite bc she’ll get a lot of attention if she accepts it. no “smart” and classy HB8 is begging to suck his dick. they’re all low status girls and sure some are attractive but only bc they are being paid.

looks are number one.

[–]-saltymangos-11 points12 points  (29 children) | Copy

it’s all about looks. i was heavily into TRP for like 5 months. i was constantly reading shit about woman’s behavior, top posts, dm’ing “gurus” etc.

then i stubbled into the black pill and i realized it’s all fucking looks. it’s all around you. it all makes sense. sure, some things can be from you wanting to support your own beliefs so you actively look for ways to support your theories, but A LOT is true.

sure, i got a hot asian from TRP ways, but only to find out that she was extremely attracted to me bc of my looks. the first time we met she was constantly complimenting me and asking if i model and asking to touch my hair and shit. little did she know i was a kissless virgin before i met her and she asked if i’m seeing anyone else and i said “yeah, ten other girls” and she fucking believed it.

i never complimented her, played it really chill, and played all my RP cards right.

it’s come up multiple times that she would have still wanted to hook up with me even though i was a bad kisser because i was so hot and “because you’re so attractive it didn’t matter”. my looks got me to where i am with her today (btw she’s my gf). yes, TRP helped me get that edge over the other guys, but it was honestly my looks that had her head over heels for me.

the blackpill is real man. i’ve experienced it first hand. i’ve seen so many examples of it in my everyday life it’s crazy. TRP will only help you so much, but you really have to looksmaxx to get hotter girls. if you’re a PSL 5, good fucking luck getting a girl whose a PSL 7, even with “game”. you don’t need game if you’re attractive. girls don’t give a FUCK about what you have to say if you’re attractive. they just wanna make out with you and show you off. i honestly hate TRP now, their lessons are quite valuable, but the majority of guys firmly believe that this will land them model like girls. we don’t know what a lot of field report posters look like. they could be tall and attractive guys or butt ugly guys. TRP is valuable if you’re slightly above average in looks and above, but if you’re ugly, you’re gonna have to settle with HB4’s and 5’s.

[–]tyronethejabrone8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

Being good looking is the quickest way to pull no doubt but it’s a very surface-level attraction. There is a whole other form of attraction: Energy. Aura.

Some people just radiate energy and it produces a much deeper desire.

If you’re reading this, blowing your load is damaging. Its a force capable of creating life and releasing it often drains you. Disagree with me, say I’m spewing lies, I don’t care. I’m not here to change anybody’s mind.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

There’s nothing to disagree about, your energy/aura/vibe is a fancy word for how others perceive you based on gestures, tone of voice, way you move, your posture, how you dress, what you talk about etc

[–]tyronethejabrone0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Because that's not what I was saying. Sexual energy is some powerful shit man. Can put girls in a trance.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The "it just feels right" trance. I get it.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe you. Vibration is a major one. That’s why we say “I don’t like their vibe” or something because we aren’t connecting with them. We say it so much, but if you bring the meaning and science behind it, people will disagree. Vibe is short for vibration. We gravitate towards people with the same vibrancy.

And that’s why the “joke” after sex the guy is always tired and wants to lie in bed. We literally drain ourselves of our energy every time you release it. That’s why Telsa and these other hype geniuses were virgins. They transmuted their sexual energy (the strongest energy) into creative energy. That’s why they were to come up with these amazing creations, they took the strongest type of energy known to humans and put it into their creations.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy

Thats funny because I have the absolute COMPLETE opposite experience as an mediocre, short guy with TERRIBLE teeth, (although very, very good body) is the complete opposite. I'm absolutely mindblown by how many girls that shows crazy IOI towards me, being touchy, giggly, etc when i'm having the right frame and abundance mentality. It's not a coincidence, it happens too often for it. If i wouldnt be able to slay pussy since I got in to trp then i'd believe the black pill. I definitely do not believe black pill now, it's not possible for me to believe it because of my experiences.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

okay. look at r\blackpillscience. if you deny that you are literally denying science and reality itself. the numbers aren’t 100% “women choose tall, attractive men” but it’s definitely not close to 0%. you’re the expectation. i’m very inclined to believe ANY women who chose a tall and attractive man over a short and ugly man.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

An attractive enough face can supersede shortness (<5'9") and shit-tier teeth. I'm guessing he is more attractive than he knows.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Short for men is 5’6” and below. He’s probably 5’9 or 5’8 which is just an inch or two off the average in the US. If you’re 5’9” or 5’8” you can still pull.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I don't care for "science" that is based on what women say they want. I trust my own experience and look at their actions. Being tall is absolutely an advantage though as it's a hyperstimulant to women, but being good looking, face-wise, matters so little that it's ridicilous.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i believe you and i’m not handicapping myself by educating myself with the truth. i would consider myself attractive so all this shit is just supporting my image. i truly feel bad for ugly guys because you first have to pass the “attractiveness” test. if you don’t pass that, nothing else matters. women won’t even talk to you if you have everything but attractiveness.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That special something, can't explain. That's like 90% of the lyrics of love songs sung by female singers.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

If it was all about looks, then no woman EVER has cheated with a guy uglier than her bf/husband.

Truth is, they have. Maybe not all of them but a significant number above 0%.

The one wish that always comes true is:

"I wish it wasn't my fault."

As soon as you wish it, there magically appears lots of reasons why it was never your fault.

Once you start believing that it is never your fault, you are well and truly fucked. As nothing is your fault, whatever you do is of no consequence. You are a permanent victim. There are guys uglier/shorter/poorer than you getting laid. Maybe not as often as Adonis but they do get laid more often than the guys who believe that nothing is their fault.

[–]-saltymangos-1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

they get caught up in what “feels” good. women think completely emotionally. if it feels good then it must be right!!

that’s why you see them make stupid impulsive decisions then regret them the next day because it’s obvious if they take 10 minutes to think about it they wouldn’t do it but they think emotionally.

also, they absolutely love putting the blame on someone else. nothing can ever be there fault. and if someone is their fault they’ll try with everything they’ve got to try and fix it bc they know they fucked up. that’s what happens when men coddle their daughters for centuries. they are treated as princesses who can do no wrong and this is the result.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They feel your frame. There is something to that whole energy/aura. You can almost see them sizing you up when they look at you, they are sensing out your energy/aura. Usually your frame/confidence/self-esteem too is wrapped up in that whole energy/aura thing. A male with a 10 face can become a 7 or less with bad enough energy/aura.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A male with a 10 face can become a 7 or less with bad enough energy/aura.

With a bad enough aura you can turn from a 10 even into a fucking 4, doesn't work the other way around tho. I met so many good looking guys who killed their chance to fuck the moment they opened their mouths or let their weird body language out.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Reminds me somewhat of those Power of Your Subconscious Mind or Your Wish is My Command books.

It's like anything, once you internalize those thoughts, they become ingrained in you. Then they override your common sense/logic. They become beliefs, and your beliefs become your actions.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

like the law of attraction, basically. truth is humans are pretty fucked up with their actions and sometimes unintentionally hurt others. we are all trying to get laid and life good lives. the truth is, the red pill WILL and CAN help you if you’re slightly below average to get to slightly above average and average people to get to above average and above average people to get to very attractive. the blackpill addresses the truths of sexual preference. yes, looks matter most. ex: jermey meeks. yes, money matters a lot. ex: look at any slightly below average guy with a load of cash. yes, status matters (usually is paired with money). ex: look at lil pump

point is if you’re good in looks, women truly want you. bottom line. high status and money is VERY nice, but it’s kinda superficial. like if you didn’t have money or status you wouldn’t be drowning in pussy.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sadly though they don't truly want "you".

[–]ovrload0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Are you white?

[–]-saltymangos-1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy


[–]ovrload3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol asian women and white fetish

[–]resnine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a power thing. Since the British/French/Spanish just dominated the rest of the world through warfare/imperialism. So they see Whites as being higher-status, the arbiters of culture.

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

Honestly my personal experience as an mediocre, short guy with TERRIBLE teeth, (although very, very good body) is the complete opposite. I'm absolutely mindblown by how many girls that shows crazy IOI towards me, being touchy, giggly, etc when i'm having the right frame and abundance mentality. It's not a coincidence, it happens too often for it. If i wouldnt be able to slay pussy since I got in to trp then i'd believe the black pill. I definitely do not believe black pill now, it's not possible for me to believe it because of my experiences.

[–]catgirlmasterrace0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

i think there's truth to both sides. btw height, hair color?

[–]showerdudes9 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy

5'8" brown hair/eyes.

[–]catgirlmasterrace0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

interesting. I have a friend who's out of shape w kinda a bad posture (never in his life worked out or played sports), but is 6'1", blonde hair with fairly blue eyes, and girls literally throw themselves at him on the street, I've witnessed it multiple times.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's probably based on location. Where are you from? For example, I'm from the colder part of Europe and around here blonde hair/blue eyes give you very little advantage at best because every girl takes light pigmentation for granted. I imagine it's different everywhere else tho.

[–]omega_dawg93-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

to many women, $$$ >>> looks.

[–]-saltymangos-12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

yeah then they’ll cheat on you with the looks guy. they want both. the “perfect” man is an attractive man who is loaded. why do you think 50 shades of grey is so dreamy? it’s a fucking a hot billionaire who dominates her. it’s everything a woman wants, written by a woman and it’s extremely popular for a reason

[–]volvostupidshit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That's why you never invest emotionally if you have the money but don't have the looks. Or better yet, go your own way and use your money to make yourself look better.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it’s a fucking cruel world out there. you honestly have to be rich (earn a lot every year.. more than $100k USD) and be top 10% looks wise. that puts you easily in the .5% of men worldwide. you better have a big dick too or she won’t be satisfied sexually. so really the the .1% of men worldwide.

the number is definitely way smaller than .1% probably like .001% of all men. good luck with that lol. you have to be basically be flawless.

[–]ovrload3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The red pill really only works for average or above men. If you’re below average you’re out of luck and are dealt the hand you’re with from birth.

[–]volvostupidshit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If you have an ugly face then you are quite lucky since cosmetic surgery is now readily available. You just have to work hard and earn big bux for the procedure. But if you don't have the right height relative to your country then you are pretty much screwed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Nope, I knew a guy from highschool, he is 1.60m, plumb, cabbage head, big ears, long nose, going bald buuuut his family is extremely rich. That fucker didn't even work a day in his life, still parties at 26 and acts like it's a political stance to not give a shit and party when in reality he is a lazy fuck with his future guaranteed by generations before him. His instagram is full of hb8+ and he was the one who opened my eyes to red pill lense. That monkey looking motherfucker fucked every single "good girls" I was having dreams about in high school.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lemme tell you this. money attracts women, yes. looks attract women. looks guarantee the guy getting laid. money, on the other hand, guarantees the women will stick around the rich guy but may not give him pussy. they just want whatever goods they can squeeze out of him.

also, this dude probably doesn’t fuck them and if he does, it’s probably a small amount. anyone know posts women, constantly, is seeking validation from his peers. it’s like the saying if you have money, there’s no need to worry about it and therefore no reason to flaunt it and buy brand name shit and wear it. you are content with what you have. ex: look at rappers and then look at wealthy people.

same goes with women and everything in life. if they flaunt it, they aren’t used to it and are trying to be cool and seek validation.

edit: i should be more clear in my statements.. money CAN get you women. that is true, but it’s for selfish gains. if you didn’t have money, you’d be nothing in the eyes of a woman. we are humans. we are animals. we are selfish. the reason why we love rich people is because they are superior to us in one aspect (a pretty big one) and we want their approval and you know, maybe one day they’ll buy you something cool or invite you to a foreign country, but that’s in the back of your mind, you don’t think about that too much.

you see hot girls (like 8+) with butt ugly dudes and you think “they’re with him because he’s rich”. i think that’s true 9/10 times. but i also think, especially if they’re married, she is cheating on him with a more attractive male. sure, she’ll let the rich, ugly guy fuck one in a while but she’s throwing her goods out to the more attractive guys. she can be financially secure, but that will not stop them from their hypergamous ways.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy

Is it tho?

[–]-saltymangos-9 points10 points  (25 children) | Copy

yeah it’s not just iNcEl shit. it’s real life. it’s the science behind why women like attractive men. go look at r\blackpillscience

it’s all articles and studies that support what they say. it’s anthropology, human sexual preference, etc.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (16 children) | Copy

That’s because you don’t want to put in the work bro , my 5 ft 1 Indian janitor friend with female wrists and a non existent chin got sick of being a virgin so he started reading the sidebar , hit the weights and started approaching and now he s 6 foot 4 white chad who holds frame and gets sexually assaulted by women on the daily .

Now go read 1000 pua books about game and get rejected by every average looking thots only because of your inferior game of course .

You need to spend thousands of years practicing the complex art of seduction and game and only then will you truly be able to hold frame .

Your welcome you faggot , you also have oneitis and you need to ghost your mom .

[–]-saltymangos-10 points11 points  (15 children) | Copy

lol. looks are everything. i don’t care what anyone says. women want attractive men. i’ve seen some of the guys that do PUA and shit and it’s obvious why they do it.

good looking guys hold frame so well bc they’ve been conditioned since they’re young. they don’t have trouble with women or social interactions at an older age because ever since they were young they’ve been positively reinforced that people like them.

true confidence take years to build. you need to see positive results in order to gain true confidence. it’s backed by positive reactions. anyone can fake confidence. many do. i do. not a lot of people have true confidence because it all started when they were young. that’s why the easiest way to build “real” confidence is doing something small and doing it well. then moving onto bigger and better.

you really think an very attractive guy needs to research game on reddit??? lol no. it’s ingrained in him through his environment and nature. an average guy needs to harness everything he can to talk to women and be successful because he is lacking attractiveness.

if you’re attractive you have it easier in almost every aspect of life.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Indian 5ft1 janitor ————>6 foot 4 chad

Bro , I agree with everything you just said ...

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

how many people are 5ft1 indian janitors. Even then, that guy could do better for himself if he put in some work and had value. It's not gonna be as easy as it is for an attractive dude, but who ever fucking said it was ?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It’s impossible for him unless he becomes rich (actually rich ), by hard work you retards mean gym and countless rejection by entitled thots because that’s so necessary , approaching stops being hard after a couple times and gym is fun that shit is not hard work and you’re not this tough warrior for doing it .

You’re just as delusional as the blue pilled retards with their just be yourself and have a good personality advice, toxic positivity .

[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

dude nothing is impossible. You guys have made up your own goddamn minds so whatever. No one is saying it will be easy, but if he puts in work, he can and will find someone.

Dunno what to tell you.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

I agree being attractive is a huge boon in life, but even a very attractive guy can get to a point at which it’s hard for him to get laid or be social at all, like childhood trauma/extreme poverty growing up/shitty parenting etc and lead him to rediscovering his powers through the red pill.

Edit: Such circumstances are much more common than most people who grew up in good homes think.

[–]-saltymangos-4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

yeah that’s true. poverty is one but look at Jermey Meeks. dude was a fucking FELON and now is married to a billionaires daughter only because his mug shot was model tier.

sure that’s only one guy but the likelihood of an attractive guy being very poor/shitty parenting is quite low too.

the likelihood of an attractive guy being born into poverty is quite low tbh.. because attractive people group together and have good looking kids and with the halo effect, they are more likely to be educated and well off. it’s all a chain of events that seem meaningless by themselves, but together they make sense.

attractive people (especially younger ones) are treated differently and indirectly conditioned to become “confident”. i’m talking about guys mostly, bc girls get stuck in extreme competition and social media which destroys their self esteem.

so let’s look at attractive guys.

there’s 2 scenarios:

  1. they’re ugly all before puberty and once puberty hits they become attractive. i would guess this is the majority of attractive guys. these are the types that may have social anxiety or fear women because they simply aren’t accustomed to being around them bc they were attractive when they were in elementary school or middle school.

  2. they’re attractive even before puberty and therefore get conditioned to be extremely confident. i worked at a summer camp at the beach and had one of these kids in the camp. he was probably 11, but his tight group of friends and EVERYONE was trying to be friends with him and his posse. older kids would try and kiss his ass but he just kept doing his thing. girls would go and hang out with him. he was picked #1 every time and even won some awards for simply doing nothing. he will grow up and dominant every aspect of life bc he’s fucking 11 and he already has people kissing up to him. he was legitimately confident and you could just tell he knew what the fuck was going on.

now these kids are obviously very very rare, but they will become the true alpha. it’s in their upbringing. it’s completely genetic. he was just born attractive and he’s going to be successful (not to mention the summer camp was in one of the most affluent areas in the US). these kids who are attractive their whole life are the true alphas. they’re used to people kissing up to them and wanting to be like them. it’s ingrained in their minds.

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

and most guys are not so spectacular in the looks department but can find a girl or girls they find attractive. Don't compare yourself to others, it's useless

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They also feel confidence because they have that BUFFER to fall back on, when they are rejected it's fine because they have that abundance feeling that your below average-looking woman has. It's the feeling that even if a top-tier man rejects you, at least you have your hoards of beta orbiters to give you esteem boosts. You think an Ashton Kutcher type ever felt all that bad if he ever got rejected? He'd be able to get tail very easily and bounce right back. That's exactly what having looks give you, confidence. It gives you the feeling that all will be alright at the end of the day because you still have your looks. Of course, intelligence is quite important too. If you are ugly and un-intelligence you are fucked completely in all ways of life.

[–]-saltymangos-0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

just saw your edit and i can’t debate it bc that doesn’t apply to me so i truly don’t know

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

That’s alright, I agree with what you wrote and the general sentiment in it. And I do notice that the most physically attractive men I meet usually grew up in the upper echelons of the society in one way or another. I did not observe a similar effect in women, however, atleast in terms of pure physical desirability.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

In fact, there have been some evolutionary theories that society will slowly (over the course of thousands of years) diverge into two groups, one being the super wealthy and good-looking and the other being ultra poor and ugly.

You can even see it now. Go to any mall, you'll see only good-looking associating with together, and ugly people associating only with each other.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, it's many more aspects of life. Such as business and career success. There have been many studies proving that being good-looking opens doors in your career. Your looks influence your overall successes financially and moving up in the world. Ever notice how CEOs and those in higher-up positions are usually quite good looking. And those in the lowest jobs are usually quite ugly, it is hierarchical. Looks and wealth over go hand in hand. If you are good-looking you are much more likely to be confident because through your whole life you've had positive social reinforcement from all the people around you. It's the ugly people who more often develop self-esteem problems, insecurities, inhibitions, and confidence issues. Often the ones that are targeted for getting teased/bullied and get treated cruelly by others.

This idea that you can somehow make up for your looks with game is a comforting thought.

[–]rubydachurro3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

The halo effect and lookism itself is true from my own experience. I’ve seen it happen from other guys I knew who were seen as attractive and even with myself how woman react and behave. What’s crazy is how women get a sort of dopamine rush when they’re around a guy they find attractive and start acting like a giddy little school girl. Although the way someone else treats you sometimes has to do with how you look it can also be the particular mood that person is in.

[–]resnine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Goes for men judging other men too. Below average men get treated poorly like second-class citizens by better looking men. Mostly judgmental and looked down upon. It's all unspoken rules and hierarchical. It is very difficult being an ugly man.

Being an ugly woman is different however. You can be an ugo and have WAY more attention than your average beta.

[–]-saltymangos-1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

if i’m in a shit mood and some hot girl is being all sweet and flirty with me my mood is sure as hell going to switch. same with woman. a hot guy is flirty with them and they switch completely.

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

look man, no one on TRP is saying that looks dont matter. You have to work with what you got though. For most guys, getting fit, garnering some form of status, and learning how to talk to women gets them results, at least better and more results than they had prior.

You can sit around whining or get out there and do some shit. Everyone has a cross to bear, and most of you guys are not bearing that heavy of crosses so stop focusing on things you cant change and go do something

[–]-saltymangos-5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

i agree, but i think it’s important to inform some guys on why it’s not working for them. if you truly want to be successful anything you have to understand the enemy/other side of things. you have to accept what you have and work with what’s available to you. dwelling on your failures or shortcomings isn’t going to help you, but accepting them and moving forward won’t hurt.

[–]mgtownigga2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

yeah but if you read TRP and think looks dont matter, you're severely missing something. There's a reason we emphasize looks and style and all that shit. It matters, it's not the only thing, but it matters.

The truth is that most guys are not so ugly that getting fit, cultivating style, gaining status, and learning game wont allow them to find quality partners. Are there some people that got fucking FUCKED by the genetic lottery? Sure, but most guys are just average and could become a much better version of themselves.

Unless you guys have a physical deformity or a micro penis, you have to be less fatalistic. Some people truly are fucked

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I emphasize improving your style and general clothing awareness.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

looksmaxxing. Trim your eye-brows, start mewing, etc.

Deal with what you got, take them as they are and start improving incremenally. Hell, surgey is always an option if the genetic lottery really fucked ya.

[–]InsidiousCurve31 points32 points  (3 children) | Copy

I see all the passive aggressive bullshit from women, and I just think: "I don't want to play these games."

[–]trp282874 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why do I barely ever get bothered by passive agressive bullshit? I feel like people on this sub are making it look more common than it actually is. I don’t have any problems with too much passive agressiveness

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I notice the only times women ever are passive aggressive towards men is when we pull some blue pill shit or they want to indirectly prove something to us. Or both at the same time.

[–]tyronethejabrone14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

Do some shrooms my guy

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[–]Blerks17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's good that the Red Pill helped you value yourself more. If it's making you depressed, it might be time to look elsewhere. TRP is designed to help you get laid, not find meaning in your life.

Yes, there's a lot of pain and loneliness in the world, but there's also lots of awesome people, places, and things to do. You can choose what you focus on.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

That’s true I guess. It’s just that the blue pill mindset’s emotional ups and downs were like heroin to me, when I sometimes got lucky I was the happiest man in the world, but chasing those trips and coming down from them was destroying my life pretty much. TRP, on the other hand, took my drug away and gave me a job, if I’m to paint it simply.

[–]Blerks3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well, to continue your analogy: drugs work by activating the reward centres of your brain, but do so to the point that regular good events can't match up to. And now your receptors' standards are messed up, so regular rewards don't feel good enough. Or maybe you're taking another drug that suppresses you emotions? I'm getting my analogy tangled up. In any event, none of those situations is particularly healthy.

It's true that the fairytale romances out of romantic comedies don't really exist. But that doesn't mean that sustaining a meaningful and fulfilling relationship is impossible. Even though a Perfect Girl doesn't exist, it's folly to believe that there are no girls out there who are willing to put in the work to sustain an LTR. There's some decent advice from Married TRP on this subject, but overall you might just need to stick your head out of the TRP bubble and get some fresh air.

Look at it this way: TRP preaches AWALT: ALL Women Are Like That. But in reality, it would be more accurate to say AWCBLTBANLTATT: All Women Can Be Like That, But Aren't Necessarily Like That All The Time. One of those has the shock value designed to counter "But my girl would never...," but the worldview it espouses is fatalistic and depressing. The other is much more hopeful (and accurate), but is too nuanced to be an effective talking point.

TRP exists to help men in a certain situation, so it always says AWALT. If you are no longer a man in that particular situation, TRP's advice is going to be less helpful unless you're aware of its limitations and adapt them accordingly.

[–]BookyMcBooks6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's a lot of asinine, autistic bullshit on this subreddit, but I personally have distilled it all down to this: you can still feel love for women, but you shouldn't suffer any delusions that you own her, or that she'll be yours forever. Love is an emotion, and emotions are temporary.

[–]CahiersDuVidya15 points16 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ready for your next step? No, your perfect girl doesn't exist unless some other guy made her (i.e. her father). If you want your perfect girl, you have to make her. Then you have to manage her literally for the rest of your lives. If you ever stop gaming her you might loser her.

Have fun!

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you ever stop gaming her you might loser her.

Been there. Red pill allowed me to game my oneitis but as soon as I extrenalized the blue pill I hid inside me and thought "Well fuck it, everything worked out in the end" it was over. Game is non-negotiable.

[–]BookyMcBooks0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds gay

[–]furcryingoutloud3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the reason why it's called Red Pill and Blue Pill. Take the red pill and see the world for what it really is. Take the blue pill and continue on your merry slumber even if it is just all bullshit. You always have a choice.

Of course it's depressing. You would not be normal if you didn't feel pain when learning the truth. It's the same reason why many people still cling to religion. The promise of good things is hard to ignore. Reality is harsher, much harsher. But also, once you know the rules of this cruel game, you learn to navigate the levels and thrive in it. A much more liberating prospect than being asleep in a vat, dreaming.

[–]1rad_dynamic3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Find a mission beyond pulling girls. Perhaps it's becoming a DJ. Perhaps it's starting a business or maybe it's to make a positive change in the world (however big or small).

Being red pilled gives you all the freedom in the world to do whatever the fuck you want.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmfao go marry and start a family and get money stop crying nigga

[–]lazydogg92 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This too shall pass my friend.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K182 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, so you're realising the blue pill lies. That everything is going to work out, just because you're you, and a good guy and everyone has that 'special' one who will come along.

Now you're going 'oh fuck, it doesn't happen that way'? Now you realise you have a choice, to either WORK to make shit happen, or die in a pit of incel self-pity.

Shit can still happen, you just have to educate yourelf, arm yourself, drop those things called balls, and get out there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There with you. Does it change? Probably not. Better then being naïve/deceived.

[–]moltenw2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

what the fuck is this comment section

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

What were your expectations? It’s an awesome, supportive community.

[–]handfulofnuts4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

The blackpill stuff is self-defeatist horseshit. People pointing you in that direction are not being supportive, they’re trying to drag you down.

[–]8380atgmaildotcom7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

The black pill isn't even black pill its common sense. Hmmm attractive women want to be with attractive men? Who would have thought?

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K180 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy BE attractive. Nobody is going to fool you into believing that being a nihilistic black pill incel, sitting on a computer in the basement, is going to attract women just because you know some Red Pill.

[–]resnine0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Right. You can see it first hand. We all see it. Look around you people. Don't deny it. Game is king but if you looks aren't at least average or better all the game in the world will just make you look try-hard.

[–]8380atgmaildotcom0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My night game can be A1 but often I'm looking like shit and my behaviors are imcongruent with my game and it severly affects my results. Working on that tho

[–]8380atgmaildotcom1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's all about diffusion. Put yourself in the right spots. If you live in the United States you have a higher likelihood of fucking a hot american chick than some attractive british dude in bumfuck nowhere.

Location location location

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The depression stems from the amount of time you've believed in "the world".

In "The Matrix" there was a reason why Morpheus didn't unplug people over a certain age. Shattering a person's belief system/identity can lead to dramatic ego death.

To borrow Platos allegory of the cave, we must all realise that the world we see is merely a shadow. The real world lies around us, hidden from those who have shackled themselves to their own beliefs. It's always important to remember that truth is freedom. Freedom isn't always easy. Delusion is the easy path however freedom allows you to determine your own path in life.

[–]jm510 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I know reality will never again be as lively as it used to be

ime, it was better when the guy with the white beard and the red suit was real. All downhill for me once he got outed.

We can deal with how it is now or we can reminisce about the old days. (Hint: Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.)

I do understand the plight of guys wanting a family some day. imo, if having kids is a priority then her family genetics, family relationships and potential maternal instincts are way more important than how good her tits and ass look.

Fuck being in love, choose a woman that will be the best mother for your children.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Don’t be. Basically women use common sense, just like men

[–]JarHeadJoseph7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

No they fuckin don’t

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

They use women’s common sense, which is pretty straightforward once you understand it. It’s of course different than what men operate on. Hypergamy and shit.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

you'll NEVER understand it.

with women, you either love them or understand them, but you can't do both.

the reason is... they operate off of emotions & feelings that sway with the tide, shift with the wind, and rise/fall like the sun.

that's why they're so indecisive and all over the place with their thoughts, moods, etc. their logic is based off what they're feeling RIGHT now. later, eehh, that might be a different story... bc they might be FEELING different then.

[–]ChesterRickman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They are acting on what's happening in the present and what emotionally feels right to them at the moment, it's not really rocket science and still is pretty straightforward in my view.

[–]omega_dawg930 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lmao. women operate on emotions & feelings dude... that's why they're not very logical-until they HAVE to be.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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