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My prediction was correct, domain registrars are the new arm of censorship. Gab.ai gets ultimatum. Delete content or lose your domain.

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Title My prediction was correct, domain registrars are the new arm of censorship. Gab.ai gets ultimatum. Delete content or lose your domain.
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 740
Comments 191
Date 04 September 2017 09:46 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/226732
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/6y3fpc/my_prediction_was_correct_domain_registrars_are/
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[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick222 points223 points  (13 children) | Copy

The day the open internet died.

Every day gets a little darker now

[–]heissenberggg89 points90 points  (9 children) | Copy

This how you make people move to the deep web

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick72 points73 points  (8 children) | Copy

Then it'll be ISPs censoring content.

This is a very significant change. Internet platforms (google, facebook, twitter, whatever) censoring speech isnt the end of the world, you can always disseminate info on a personal site, and if anything weve seen that the more those giants censor things, the faster ordinary people find the content they werent supposed to see.

But once it becomes acceptable for the basic infrastructure that the web runs on to be censored, thats a whole 'nother ballgame.

[–]destraht26 points27 points  (6 children) | Copy

The deep web is I think referring to networks like TOR. At the moment it appears to basically be impossible for normal organizations or small governments to break through all of the layers and when it is done (that we know about) it requires resources like a huge research university, it takes months and its very targeted. The ISPs won't be able to censor content except by already knowing what is going on with each VM or server that they have and this is just unpractical to impossible. Probably the only thing that they could really do would be to block certain ports or to completely block encrypted traffic like what the Great Firewall does. So I just don't think that they could subtlety go about it without really bothering a lot of people and setting of the alarms.

[–]anothdae15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy

The ISPs won't be able to censor content

They can effectively do this by blocking tor exit nodes (easy to find).

So I just don't think that they could subtlety go about it without really bothering a lot of people

If there is anything to be learned here, it's that people aren't bothered by anything.

Hell, the activist part of reddit is screaming for more government control of ISPs, not less.

[–]Throwawayhelper4203 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just so you know it was the US government releasing control of domain name registration to the free market and foreign governments recently that caused this wave of censorship.

Before icann would never delete a domain such as white supremacist websites because it was protected by the first amendment. Now that the domains are completely uncontrolled by the US government private companies and foreign governments are deleting domains of anything they think might cost them money through controversy.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It seems that other societies don't have the same values that we do and that corporations don't have our best interests at heart.

[–]LOST_TALE0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i2p is life, i2p is freedom

[–]RaddiNet5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Naaah, think of it as an opportunity. Just like the industry's attempts to prevent little girls sharing poor-quality MP3s over myspace and blogs gave birth to bittorrent, the same way the attempts to censor open discussion fuels creation of alternative platforms. See guys below mentioning zeronet etc. I'm working on another one too ;) This is just a beginning.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

it was only a matter of time. Ppl cant be serious when they think voting online couldve stopped it.

Everything is "focus manipulation" just like illusionists like to call it. Now those guys are illusionists too selling people on ideas and agendas that have little to do with real world.

Attention and Imagination are human's greatest gifts and abilities, dont forget who's at the wheel.

[–]NeoreactionSafe122 points123 points  (20 children) | Copy

 

Well you know what I might say:

 

  • "Free Speech is better than Fascism"

 

Censorship will continue and eventually the Red Pill will just sort of "disappear" and no one will remember after enough time passes as history is erased.

 

[–]red_matrix77 points78 points  (14 children) | Copy

That's why private forums exist. I'm surprised Reddit has let TRP stay for this long.

[–]ovrsurge65 points66 points  (3 children) | Copy

I think it has to do with Streisand theory imo.

The route they seem to be taking is a form of soft shadowbanning wherein you will only find certain things if you explicitly look for them.

Maybe they will shut these places down eventually But right now they seem to be building infrastructure for a campaign of attrition as they isolate accounts associated with wrongthink and unsubscribe or unlike content (happened with the morethanarefugee video youtube shilled. I had to like it twice and many others reported the same.)

[–]UseForThrowAwayStuff 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The route they seem to be taking is a form of soft shadowbanning wherein you will only find certain things if you explicitly look for them.

this sub is like the room of requirement.

[–]ovrsurge0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Not exactly. It seems more like Google (and other search engines) are throttling content they deem fake. Mozilla Firefox is in on this.

The real kicker is that ICANN is no longer playing neutral. Which means it's plausible that a mass-cordinated strike could occur over a variety of alternative sites simultaneously alongside major platforms like reddit banning community hubs like this one.

It really depends on how monolithic these companies are. It seems that a coordinated effort might be possible.

[–]sigma27216 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

If you are guilty of wrongthink, the dark web will soon be the only place you can talk. See: Daily Stormer situation

[–]IGOA2BBYKEEPINGITG-3 points-2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Or just host your own site??? They aren't banned from the internet lol

[–]1nzgs16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you're restricted from domains and search engines there will be little point to not use the dark web.

[–]Troll_Name10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

How people find a website:

1: domain name

2: search engine

3: conversations on other sites

The censorship camp is trying to control all three unopposed.

[–]IGOA2BBYKEEPINGITG-4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Are you guys just stupid? They're private companies(search engines, hosts, other sites) they can do whatever the fuck they want, you can't have it both ways.

You can literally just get a new domain name yourself and host your own site.

No point of going darkweb when at least half of the readers of the site(which has a ton of shitty writers who can't make a citation, or be grammatically correct to save their lives. Not to say everyone on there is shitty, there's some select good shit) are frankly not smart enough to use tor or would not bother to.

The best thing to do for them, is to get a new domain of their own and host the site themselves, rather than be at the hands of various hosts/domain owners. Hindsight is 20/20 but what can you expect from such a shitty publication

[–]Throwawayhelper4209 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Domain names are not controlled by the US government anymore and are not subject to the 1st amendment anymore!!!

You CANNOT just go get another domain, see daily stormer for an example. You cannot register directly with icann/US government anymore, they MUST go through a 3rd party such as godaddy or google to buy domains now, again see daily stormer every single company forbid them from buying any domain name at all! EVEN IF YOU HOST THE SITE YOURSELF!!! All a domain name is is a .whatever that points to an IP address. Even if you own the IP address and are self hosting you must go through one of the established players to get a domain name.

[–]RiimoH[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

But they don't get any domains anymore

[–]Luckyluke2310 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

i was SURE when pao when on her rampage we would be next.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

So was I. That's when we scrabled to get https://www.forums.red in place.

[–]1Goomich36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street and building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

1984

[–]james_the_dean0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

fuck, this part hits me hard every time

[–]LudwigVanTrumpHoven 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I had a video censored for hate speech that had absolutely zero dialogue in it. You can even speak hatefully without speaking.

[–]NeoreactionSafe14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

 

It goes something like:

 

  • "As a good SJW I Hate it when people expose the Truth."

 

...Truth becomes Hate.

 

[–]KorianHUN5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Except at places where people unknowingly follow redpill logic.
Like traditional eastern european old people.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

They have created a 'conceptual superweapon' in form of 'hate speech', a meaningless weasel-word that makes the accused party insta-guilty. This is exactly how the preparations for the removal of Jews were started in Germany, by making accusations of 'being a Jew' a conceptual superweapon.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

However, while I do agree with you in general, I think you're patting yourself on the back a bit too much - Anguilla would enforce their laws and rules on their 'national' domain regardless of whether ICANN is under US jurisdiction or not.

I'm trying to communicate to the community that this is a real problem and it's going to affect all of us if people don't work together to subvert it. My hope is that we are able to communicate this before our trp.red site is taken down under the same guise.

[–]selfsufficientnigga 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

I just checked and the registry operator for .red is 'Afilias plc': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afilias

[...] Afilias was formed in October 2000 by a group of 19 major domain name registrars.

Soulless money venture for which political/ideological stances only matter in the context of dollar sums they might get/lose. You're fucked.

They are also the registry operator for .lgbt, and for that one they already have an 'Acceptable Use Policy': http://get.lgbt/LGBTAUP

[...] Registrants are prohibited from using the .LGBT domain in a manner that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, or hateful with respect to the LGBT community. Domain names that are likely to deceive, disparage or cause a material detriment to the LGBT community are explicitly prohibited (e.g., ihate.lgbt, anti.lgbt, etc.

You are right that they might easily institute AUP for .red too to sabotage you specifically once SJWs raise up enough stink (like the possible example you used, once this "alt right"/Trump hysteria subsides).

But what can I say, you went for a gimmick tld that's a result of pure money venture. You'll pay the price for it.

I would suggest making trp.red accessible through TOR (you can generate a vanity onion address which isn't a fully random string and instead starts with characters selected by you, for example, Facebook's tor gateway is facebookcorewwwi.onion). For this, you can use these tools: https://github.com/katmagic/Shallot (CPU based), https://github.com/lachesis/scallion (GPU based), https://github.com/ReclaimYourPrivacy/eschalot (wordlist based, best/newest program afaik).

Get an onion address such as theredpill8i55zr.onion, make trp.red accessible through it, get a tutorial for using TOR listed in the sidebar, and maybe sticky up a topic explaining/discussing it for a bit. IMO, this is the best way to ensure resistance to future censorship attempts.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Get an onion address such as theredpill8i55zr.onion, make trp.red accessible through it, get a tutorial for using TOR listed in the sidebar, and maybe sticky up a topic explaining/discussing it for a bit. IMO, this is the best way to ensure resistance to future censorship attempts.

I'm going to look into that. I'm also going to see about getting secondary domain names on a .com

[–]selfsufficientnigga2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Just make sure to research the actual domain registrar for the .com too, and choose the one that's least likely to make you eat shit - both GoDaddy and Google made Daily Stormer eat shit recently as an example (which I guess you're aware of).

Another possible angle is, get a domain under a national tld that belongs to a (hardcore) muslim country - most TRP ideas are 'regular stuff' in such countries and nobody will bat an eye there.

[–]ChadThundercockII2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Another possible angle is, get a domain under a national tld that belongs to a (hardcore) muslim country - most TRP ideas are 'regular stuff' in such countries and nobody will bat an eye there.

this is the most useful one and easiest as I can confirm that the money TRP will generate will easily make our guys look away from our narrative and discourse.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was considering nearlyfreespeech.net as a registrar. It looks like they're pretty solid, but if anybody here has info or experience with them, please let me know.

[–]10xdada87 points88 points  (13 children) | Copy

Your prediction was correct? Here's me last week:

You guys would lose your minds if you knew how deep this rabbit hole goes. Become a man who has strong personal networks, and who can handle being doxed.

The blacklist technology for conservative and ever-expanding definition of so-called "alt-right" is already in place, it's just a matter of insulating the people who run it from accountability. For that, they need a democrat in the whitehouse, or deniability.

Google and DNS providers vs. nazi's was just the test run. The consequences weren't serious, and so the next round of should begin soon, right before long weekends to limit the news cycle exposure.

Note the date of the notice that gab.ai recieved is Friday, Sept 1st, the friday of the long weekend.

[–]hesalop16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy

[–]10xdada43 points44 points  (5 children) | Copy

Where is goes next is so much worse. There are already informal blacklists, with some connected people being able to make calls to friends at certain tech companies, radicalized and unstable white knight personalities with access to production data and systems. Think radicalized antifa/blm members and supporters with identity data and connection logs.

There is a lot of reasonable discussion on this forum, helping a lot of guys help themselves, and it keeps the spergs on mgtow and incels in line. Even though it's a bit of a gateway drug for T_D, nrxn, darkenlightenment, and related subs, it is also a jumping off point for LW, UR, RF, and SSC, stoicism, fitness, personalfinance, philosophy and others.

From what I can tell, they are testing their public legitimacy with these takedowns, and weighing how dangerous a) the US congressional move against them would be, b) the effect on demands of other governments to act on their behalf and c) how the public backlash against their workers could be.

They, of course, are retards.

If tech companies show wholesale disenfranchisement or roundups of people based on political views are possible, governments, or blocks of them will force the companies to do it for their domestic purposes. Once companies show they have the power to control opinions, extremists will be just as likely target their staff for spreading "blasphemy," "heresy," or "hate." Hysteria doesn't discriminate.

So now, tech companies are boiling the frog (pardon the pun) with things like long-weekend takedowns, so that they can maintain deniability of their power , while wielding it without accountability.

[–]TurboApe23 points24 points  (3 children) | Copy

What are LW, UR, RF, and SSC?

[–]smyger2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also want to know, I have missed many subreddits you talk about

[–]Throwawayhelper4202 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's not just the alt-right, its drug information sites too, sites that are critical of our prison industrial complex, basically anything that would somehow cost the big players money will be blocked from getting and retaining a domain name.

Even extremely left leaning ideologies are being blocked, just for challenging the status quo. This has nothing to do with left vs right in the slightest, it is purely information control coming down from the wealthy.

[–]Fulp_Piction1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Okay so you share a consensus. Your argument is relevant, but why do you need to tell everyone that you came to the same conclusion as OP?

[–]10xdada4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

To indicate what is happening is both organized and predictable beyond general themes.

Why did you have to ask?

[–]Fulp_Piction-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because your choice of markdown implied a kind of "actually, I thought about it first!" attempt at one upping OP. It's all about the info, so who cares about who first brought it up?

[–]10xdada0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The OP runs this joint so I don't really worry about couching context with the mods because I'm confident I am contributing in my small way to what they are achieving, and they don't have anything to prove.

[–]hjkl4life10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

If TRP and trp.red is taken down tomorrow, where do we communicate?

Maybe we need to set up Keybase.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Technically I still have a redpillschool twitter account.

I will look into keybase.

[–]destraht7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy

Everyone should know about Namecoin so when the moment(s) come(s) that we can each make a choice to seek out alternative name lookup services. I think that we should each and all except that a day may come in our lives when we won't be able to access the best sites with the standard name lookup service and that we will need to use an alternative. TOR and Firefox have been working together for a long time to integrate TOR browser (modified Firefox) custom features right into Firefox so that it doesn't require custom modifications. Chrome might be a lot slicker with updating and overall speed for a long time but Firefox is the only browser that is going to offer the profound alternatives. In the future if you are doing something non-standard it is likely that it will be with some manner of Firefox build.

[–]soviYETrusher1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Tor has ideologues behind it. Every alley you turn, you are fucked.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

What do you mean? So if TOR works as intended with asterisks then what does it matter the politics or ideology of the TOR developers? Are they SJW?

[–]soviYETrusher1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

They bought into the "anti Nazi" rhetoric of the left as if it made them more virtuous. Condemning Nazis is the easiest thing and isn't a groundbreaking revelation. It is a virtue signal and is, in context of contemporary politics, exposure of their ideological partisanship. Google has done similarly and it is worrying.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah that makes sense. Well I don't see them getting into hosting so as long as they focus mostly on bits then its probably harmless other that a waste of some resources.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

TOR has so many vulnerabilities, it's not even funny.

[–]Throwawayhelper4201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

TOR has vulnerabilities in the sense that a very large actor, only the NSA in fact, can find users who use TOR to obscure their locations on the clearnet.

In terms of sites wholly hosted in TOR that do not have any component outside of TOR, it is bulletproof. The only sites taken down that are dark net only and entirely were taken down via vulnerabilities within the site that exposed the real IP(poor site programming, not TOR vulnerability) or due to mistakes the operators made in real life.

[–]destraht1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

To be fair we never can be exactly sure how the sites were taken down. Just because they supply us with a reason doesn't mean it really went down that way.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Its easy to put out comments like this but do you have anything to back it up? I'd be curious to know if you think that clandestine state level actors are going to spend large resources going after a group of men who are discussing how they believe women have too much power in society.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One trivial vulnerability occurred when the user resized TOR window. For whatever reason, TOR broadcast the window size, making it easy to track the user that had e.g. 1126x651 TOR window. I'm sure you can find other such examples.

It's not a matter of "why" but "why not". If you watch the movie "Snowden", you'll see NSA has unfettered access to each user's profile on Facebook and uses collected data (including personal messages) to craft customized attacks for each individual. This was in early 2000s. These people are drunk with power and want to become godlike: omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. They will track all.

As stakes get raised, we will become important factors of resistance against thought tyranny. You can take it as a compliment that there might be an intelligence committee discussing in earnest how to best discredit you, destraht, online.

[–]destraht0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are conflating a specific user being tracked due to their browser settings with TOR being insecure. I'd argue that in this case the server is the most important thing here. Also there are many tiers of illegality, inconvenience and insecurity. It just seems that you want to make undue waves with your comment two levels above without clarification. Basically an unhelpful elitism. So to be particular to this forum, say that someone hosts a men's forum on TOR so that they can be left in peace and then some user is uncovered due to browser metrics and their insecure browser profile, well do you think that really is a repudiated of TOR?!?

So I'll assume that you know the NSA can uniquely uncover writers based on the frequency and position of words and many other unknown techniques that would baffle us. So all of that. However then we also need to compare the NSA's common interests and willingness to share data with the sorts of meat heads in lower government, corporations and SJW that would cause us grief. When all of that is factored in then its not so dire and so smaller security goofups are not that big of a deal if no crimes are a being committed. I believe that we can count on it 100% that top level security organizations will be running circles around the common people for the foreseeable future but also they don't have unlimited resources to be tracking down who said what about spraying a load on a pair of perfect tits. I ask that put it in perspective before scaring people off about stuff that they would be better off using than not. You know that just because someone loads up TOR that they suddenly aren't needing to be secret agents just because they are going one level deeper.

[–]victor_knight6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The state is all-powerful (when it wants to be). People often seem to forget this.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 32 points33 points  (16 children) | Copy

I honestly didn't think it would happen this quickly. I made the prediction 10 days ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/theredpillright/comments/6vyo7q/censorship_on_the_internet/

[–]beginner_46 points47 points  (15 children) | Copy

I think it's time to make a offline backup again of at least top 1000 posts as pdf file and ask members here to download it so it is widely distributed. It should have a preface explaining why it exists.

Because if only couple mods have a back-up it's hard to distribute / share again compared to when thousands have it. I suspect they will kick us out here and block the web site at the same time in a planned effort to shut trp down completely.

I could also drive the fear mongering to an extreme. Think AI. They could put AI in applications or the operating system and that AI, like a virus scanner, checks documents and if it deems it as "hate speech" it won't open it and quarantine or delete it. So even pdf or text file backup will become useless. So maybe it would be a good idea to already plan for mass printing them, while it's still possible...

[–]MrNiceGuy308217 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy

That last paragraph is probably the scariest thing I've ever read on the internet. My god almighty. Talk about a slippery slope. The absolute antithesis to Free Speech.

[–]RedSugarPill7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

People will always find solutions to tyrannical problems. Hell, I could write a script that embeds encrypted text within images of puppies and kittens. Easy.

[–]meaningintragedy0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

That won't happen if you use free software.

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If they control the internet they can ban free software.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can download the top 500 posts as of May 2015 here and while it's not current, the top posts of all time today overlap a lot with the 2015 archive. You can preview the archive here

We have a much more recent archive on forums.red. I am arranging to setup a way to download the forums.red archive in a readable manner (right now with comments and posts in different tables, it's impossible to follow threads without the software).

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy

I think it's time to make a offline backup again of at least top 1000 posts as pdf file and ask members here to download it so it is widely distributed. It should have a preface explaining why it exists.

I am working on an offline copy similar to that as a sort of "revamped sidebar" if anyone is interested

[–]CarnivOre930 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I am will you msg it to me

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Whats the easiest way to send a zip file as an attachment?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you both sign up for the beta on trp.red, our chat system allows for sharing files. Just register and post #beta in the main feed.and trpbot will add you to the beta.

[–]cherryCanSuckMyDick0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Out of curiosity, was pill.red ever available as a domain name?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

By the time I was searching the red TLD, no it was taken.

[–]beginner_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For sure when it's available.

[–]Throwawayhelper4200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Just don't use applications that include "AI information censoring" capabilities. If you are seriously worried about that, there are plenty of open source operating systems and PDF/text readers where you can personally read the code and determine if such AI code is there. The AI code would be far far far more complex than the text reading code so you should be able to instantly know if a program is secretly including it.

[–]beginner_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not seriously worried. If it happens, it's still decades away.

Still, if it gets that far you will not have access to free/open OS or text readers. There will be 1 available OS with 1 app store and that is all you can use. Since the internet isn't free anymore you can't just go and download a Linux distro. That will be the time when we will actually miss Richard Stallmann.

[–]SgtBrutalisk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They could put AI in applications or the operating system and that AI, like a virus scanner, checks documents and if it deems it as "hate speech" it won't open it and quarantine or delete it.

Based on video games DRM efficiency, this will fail spectacularly.

[–]bkk1233 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Meh top level domains aren't all alike.

While .com .net .org are free for all - no matter the content, random .xyz TLD registrars can set their own requirements, which often excludes certain kinds of content from porn to gambling etc.

If you don't know that and think you can do whatever you could be in for a tough surprise.

You can usually find the terms of the administrative owner of the TLD via nic.xyz

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

While .com .net .org are free for all - no matter the content

Both godaddy and google disagree when they removed and took ownership of dailystormer's .com address.

[–]bkk123-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I never heard of Godaddy doing that kind of stuff, but for people doing controversial or outright illegal stuff there were always registrars known to care less, with eNom being preferred.

The jewish lobby is powerful, so it doesn't surprised me that they ended up being successful in the current PC craze climate.

[–]Throwawayhelper4200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That was only when the US government controlled icann and icann controlled TLDs were subject to the first amendment. Times have changed, that is no longer the case, anyone can delete any domain for any reason now.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS21 points22 points  (6 children) | Copy

Freedom of speech, particularly in the political realm, has always been important to me. Therefore, I tend to take cases of bona-fide censorship seriously, but by the same token, take a very dim view of genuinely offensive and/or rule-breaking people crying "Waaah, censorship!" when a private company wants no part of hosting or distributing someone's message or content.

In the case of Gab.ai, they had their corporate address listed as a unit at the Scotchollow Apartment Homes. This is required of everyone registering a website, everywhere.

The company also received a formal complaint about content posted on the site, which is probably why the address situation came to their attention. Had Gab.ai not responded to the address correction inquiry, the domain company's path of least resistance would be to remove the content on this basis.

Since they did respond, the domain company pursued the matter of the specific content, which Gab.ai challenged and the company upheld after review.

I looked at the company's TOS as linked in the notice; they are relatively strict and probably prefer to do business with milquetoast vanilla companies. There are plenty of companies that will gladly do business with adult and controversial content providers, they usually charge a little more. If this multi-national company is walking away from their business, I don't believe it's because they're beholden to SJW control, it's because they're beholden to the almighty AUS$.

It's hard to go much further without knowing the content in question. Right now it looks less like censorship, than a company exercising their discretion over who to associate with, and Gab.ai not owning their shit and crying victim over problems they brought on themselves.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is the content they censored: http://a.trp.red/censored

It's hard to go much further without knowing the content in question. Right now it looks less like censorship, than a company exercising their discretion over who to associate with, and Gab.ai not owning their shit and crying victim over problems they brought on themselves.

The problem is the pattern. Up until recently, domain removals and takeovers were generally understood to be in relation to actual law breaking. Now, registrars are finding themselves with a free ticket to do as they please with public support.

Imagine if phone companies could cancel your phone line because they don't like what you talk about even though it's completely legal speech.

Imagine if the post office could remove your address because they disagree with the people you send mail to.

There are certain public services that the world relies on. Many of which governments regulate because it would be too dangerous to allow companies to simply disconnect people at random.

[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is the content they censored

Maybe I'm too old to get "chan" type humor, but that makes no sense. It's not offensive in the sensitive-SJW sense, it's an insult to intelligence itself.

Was the "complaint" a DMCA takedown request over unauthorized use of images? If that's what this is about, censorship is irrelevant.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

From what I've read, they deemed it "hate speech."

[–]Throwawayhelper4201 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The second photo is copyrighted by the person that took it. You can't just go stealing images other people took without permission. Actual law breaking. Just because we do it all the time, and it appears this was only done because of the context, doesn't make it censorship. The person who took the image gets to decide what context it's used in, that is the purpose of copyright. Just like I can't post a someone's movie online, you can't post someone else's photo.

I hate censorship 100x more than the next guy, but I can clearly see why this was done. Now the daily stormer situation is entirely different.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

My understanding is that it wasn't a DMCA notice, so I don't believe it was a copyright dispute. Further, one could argue it's a transitive work under fair-use for parody. If it had been a DMCA, they would have had an opportunity to make that argument.

[–]killking722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gab.ai not owning their shit and crying victim over problems they brought on themselves.

Where'd they do that in the article posted?

That saw the post broke guidelines and removed it.

[–]LiteSoul2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The comments on that medium post are quite interesting

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

My prediction was correct, domain registrars are the new arm of censorship.

We'll see. So far gab.ai, voat, 4chan, TRP, trp.red and majority of alt-right/conservative websites are unscathed.

The link in title is a bit overreaching. The content of complaint was "obscene" and did break the rules. It was not "free speech" related.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Here is the "obscene" content. http://a.trp.red/censored

gab.ai wasn't unscathed. It censored a user to avoid losing their domain.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

A brief dig for more information reveals your "domain-censorship" prediction was premature at best.

it’s not so easy when there are almost identical censorship mandates like the Tory Manifesto in the U.K., which is where AsiaRegistry.com’s parent company, Instra Corporation, is located. The London, England-based business could be capitulating to avoid any potential problems with fines or penalties of their own.

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2017/09/gab-ai-forced-to-censor-post-after-registrar-company-issues-threat/38824/

"We'll see" is still my opinion, but I see the value of proactively rallying the banners.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Up until now, most domain takeovers were due to viruses, botnets, illegal drugs, child porn, and unquestionably illegal things.

Today, we have a new precedent in USA and UK registrars blocking content based on the nebulous "hate speech," claiming that all hate speech is a call to violence to justify the removal.

The fact that it seems like maybe this is reasonable is likely the exact purpose of small baby steps like this. We know their end-game, this is how they accomplish it. Everybody should be worried that addressing is being attacked for content they do not host.

Remember, the server itself is where the content resides. All domain registrars do is pair a name with an ip address. They don't have to be in the content censorship game to begin with. But now, they are.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The fact that it seems like maybe this is reasonable is likely the exact purpose of small baby steps like this. We know their end-game

I can agree on the end-game, as censorship of medium is un-removable from the medium itself as it gains popularity. What I'm against is panic-like scare that went through entire non-liberal websites. I've been warned against "freedom-ending apocalypses" enough times that I'm pretty sure it's the same case as with all previous ones during which nothing major really happened. Hence "we'll see" is the default reaction, not "omg FEMA deathcamps".

As for the censorship itself - together with brief search into what happened at gab.ai I dug into alternatives of which there are plenty, starting from different registrars through different but existing technologies and ending with different but experimental ones.

[–]gbwment2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Perhaps the solution may be to treat domain registrars as common carriers and bar them from taking down customer domains based on anything that's legal in their country. Similar thing may need to be done for web hosting, since without web hosting and domain registrations a viable (read, independent with free speech) internet presence can't be established nowadays.

[–]r-bitcoin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You guys should check out zeronet.io

[–]Riael1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gab has banned users for spamming, making death threats to the President, posting revenge porn, and doxing among others.

These things happen there?

I'm signing up now!

Edit: Damn, the mods are doing a good job.

[–]LOST_TALE1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was fast. I remember Stefan Molyneux making a serious call to stop the giving away of ICANN.

yeah. Good call.

[–]PM_ME_IF_U_SUCKING17 points18 points  (41 children) | Copy

So...a private company doing things the way it wants? Fuck the free market, right guys? Guys?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 61 points62 points  (3 children) | Copy

Remember that while the companies themselves are private companies, they form an artificial monopoly created by what used to be a govt contractor and serve as gatekeepers to the entire domain name system.

The next question is whether ICANN will accept an application of a freedom-registrar, and what the new legal problems will become for said registrar.

Right now anybody can hook a server to the internet, but domain ownership is a locked down system.

I would support a free-market solution such as an alternative DNS provider. But when you're walled off from the public, it's not quite free-speech. In fact, that's probably what they want, everybody they disagree with completely inaccessible from the internet for anybody using default DNS servers their ISP provides.

[–]sigma27235 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy

Not only that, but where does it end? Can Verizon shut off my phone for being a misogynist? Can Wells Fargo freeze my account because I retweeted a right wing meme and am now a "domestic terrorist"?

[–]2CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

web 3.0 is everything getting decentralised. a bit like blockchain.

e.g. https://www.bitchute.com/ is a decentralised youtube

[–]blackjackANDplates3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

The problem is ICANN itself.

When the Obama administration announced its plan to give up U.S. protection of the internet, it promised the United Nations would never take control. But because of the administration’s naiveté or arrogance, U.N. control is the likely result if the U.S. gives up internet stewardship as planned at midnight on Sept. 30.

Without the U.S. contract, Icann would seek to be overseen by another governmental group so as to keep its antitrust exemption. Authoritarian regimes have already proposed Icann become part of the U.N. to make it easier for them to censor the internet globally. So much for the Obama pledge that the U.S. would never be replaced by a “government-led or an inter-governmental organization solution.”

Looks like the plan was after Hillary won, to censor the whole internet via UN controlling ICANN

https://archive.fo/XOzjP

[–][deleted] 52 points53 points  (8 children) | Copy

Stop right there edge lord.

Criticizing something doesn't mean asking government intervention. In a free market, people's criticism means a demand for a new thing.

[–]SaiHottari9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy

And where there is demand, entrepreneurs will be there to fill it.

[–]lipidsly11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy

If youd like to create a competitor to google that will last more than five minutes, please do

[–]anthero11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

A nokia phone, duck duck go, cock.li email address, opendns, thinkpad with linux, spideroak for cloud storage, firefox and ublock origin or any adblocker that isnt adblock plus. Those are your competitors. You are now Google free. What do I win?

[–]lipidsly3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I win the definition of a domain registrar. Who will shut your website down

Also, firefox will censor you and duck duck go tracks the things you do just as much as google, just a bit of a few extra steps

And, if im being honest: how many people would use linux if they had any other choice? Its harder, so they wont. Ergo, the masses dont use such things and you will be, essentially, deplatformed

[–]kkri34 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Some Linux distributions improved greatly the recent years. They even have ”app stores” where you just click and install everything you need.

You just have to do your research if all the programs you use have a Linux compatible alternative. The biggest departments it's lacking are audio editing suites like FL Studio and games (which are timesinks anyways).

I'm not saying everyone here should switch to Linux right away, but be aware that there are programmers around the world spending their free time creating and improving a free alternative to Google and Microsoft.

[–]lipidsly-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im personally all for linux, im just saying that getting people to use the regular internet through Microsoft or apple was hard enough.

[–]t12totalxyzb001 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then the state and the de facto monopoly current service provider lock it down and punish the entrepreneur.

Nice.

[–]SaiHottari1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Currently, yes. In a free market, no.

[–]2ShitsWithTheDoorOpen20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

They arent doing it in the interest of their own company, they are literally turning away customers and therefore dollars in the name of a marxist ideology. Opposite of capitalist values.

Speech is a market just like anything else, free speech is a free market. Controlled speech is a controlled market. Capitalism is neutral on ideologies. Its like RPS is saying, this is a captured agency/monopoly working for ideological reasons. "Looks like youve had too much to think sir, your forum is now shut down." How long til TRP is shoahed?

[–]1nzgs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

These companies aren't Marxist. While they probably have a fair few marxist idiots in HR, they are trying to sail with the wind and as they see it, "hate speech" is so politically charged that they are scared shitless of anything they do, sell, or associate with being tarnished with that label.

This problem is exaggerated by the fact that companies are obsessed with social media marketing and so drastically over-sample leftist views which is possibly why we've seen a few backlashes against SJW marketing campaigns leading to U-turns.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

they are trying to sail with the wind and as they see it, "hate speech" is so politically charged that they are scared shitless of anything they do, sell, or associate with being tarnished with that label.

They had some level of protection before they got into the domain censorship game. Just say "We provide an addressing service, not the content."

[–]phoenixtoast4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Kind of taking the free market thing too far, in my opinion. The internet has become as essential a utility as power or water, yet on many levels we still pretend it's 1995 and internet access is a novelty used to look at dancing hamsters. Imagine cutting off someone's electricity because they had the wrong viewpoints. Well, I'm sure it will come to that eventually.

[–]killking722 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

By this logic net neutrality is a horrible idea and monopolies are a ok

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, actually. Fuck the free market and anything else that stands in our way.

Only a fool would believe the "free market" is actually "free."

Do you even RedPill?

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's funny seeing people cucked by private companies still call it as "free market".

It is free market for companies,not people.

[–]ovrsurge11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Corporate law isn't a free market silly ancaps

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy

Some things are called "public goods" and bad shit happens when they are privatized.

This company existing is bad bad bad for capitalism.

[–]TheMotoManiac 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

These companies being pushed into the role of monopoly by armed government is bad. Essentially, these companies are for profit, run by government, propped up by government, and are censoring people. It's them having their cake and eating it too.

They want the right of a free company to serve who they want. But they also want the armed government to make them a monopoly. They want to make profit as a private company. But they want to own government politicians who create laws for them.

They are essentially feminists. They want all of the good of a successful system, without taking any of the bad that allows that system to continue to be successful.

Then that successful system fails. And the left calls for more regulations and laws. And the right blames it on the left without offering a fix, all the while taking the same money and participating in the same cronyism.

Vote L.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy

I hate to tell you this, but I'm left (username checks out). This is economics, and I hate to break it to you, but the left's policies are the more economically sound ones. The real difference between both sides' economic policy has been a disagreement on what side of the Laffer curve we're on. The left thinks increasing taxes provides more benefit at the current rate than lowering them does. And... economics tells us they're right! See the failed Kansas Experiment for details.

Why do I mention this? Because mixing up social SJW stuff with real politics like economics has put us in a bad position. The right is correct on social issues, the left on economics. Demonizing the left when it's just SJWs throws the baby away with the bath water. If we separate the social from political we could have great economics AND get rid of the SJW crybabies.

It sullies the red pill when we insist that "micro aggressions" are somehow tied to microeconomics. It makes the red pill into a political movement when it should only be seen as a social movement (awakening).

[–]_Zeral6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

A country is not run only through economics. Cultural and racial factors MUST be considered for a functional society. The left is tearing apart those factors. It has a fatal flaw that makes them see humans as cattle or robots with 100% predictability. And they would love that, to eliminate those two factors that get in the way. You see it in their modern agenda, destroying classical architecture, art and literature and replacing it with soulless "modern" styles that can't be offensive.

However superior your economics may be, your ideology does not see culture, race, gender and class. Normally leftists use this as the reason their side is better, but these distinctions between humans has been built up over millenia to form a balanced and prosperous society. See Rome, India and China. Those civilizations that paved the way for all of our modern cultures.

The left is superior in economic growth due to cutbacks to cultural and societal growth. They make the individual redundant and create a diverse group of people blind to their differences from one another. If you have not made the correlation, the left, since the enlightenment has destroyed the class system but they are yet to break down the gender roles, racial differences and cultural distinctions.

This subreddit is involuntarily involved in a sociocultural cold war. The political side of TRP is inevitable. Keep fighting the fight, put your pee pee in a vagoo.

[–]idgaf--2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy

Why Kansas's Tax-Cut "Failure" Is Really a Success

The Real Lessons from the Kansas Experiment

Unfortunately, economics is not something that transcends the left-right political axis. Modern "economics" is just the economics that politicians and banks favored over the decades. That is Keynesian economics, plus a bunch of extras (neo-, post-) to adapt to modern times.

You don't get to ride a high horse here claiming the left is "correct on economics". Economics itself has been twisted to support central banks, big governments, fiat currency.

Readers here would do well to study Austrian Economics, then come to their own conclusions. It is the "red pill" of economics and has been widely removed from academia and left-wing institutions.

[–]AstralAeonSoul0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Do you have a good link where I can read about Austrian Economics? I'm sure wikipedia has edited out the "red pill" stuff.

[–]idgaf--1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

Sure.

https://mises.org/ is the website. They have tons of resources, and in particular host many pdf books for free.

I would recommend starting with Economics in One Lesson which is available as a free pdf. Very easy to read, many core concepts.

misesmedia is a Youtube channel if you'd like videos. You'll find talks from all the big name professors there, and you can explore as you like.

Enjoy!

[–]AstralAeonSoul0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This is really useful, thank you!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Noooooo!!! Austrian school is Econ porn. It's not real no matter how much we wish it was. It will look sexy and appealing, all economists go through s phase where we try to make it happen, but it's not real. The premises are too faulty. Don't waste your time becoming a parrot.

I tried to be Austrian for 3 years in grad school. I wish I had my time back.

[–]AstralAeonSoul0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I'm interested in hearing how it is faulty. As someone who has studied it for a number of years, can you please elaborate a bit? Genuinely curious to hear an educated view.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Dude. As someone who holds lots of degrees in economics, I can tell you that that first article is laughable!

So it's a mistake to measure growth in terms of wages and money? Lol. That's the most anti-Austrian claim ever. The dissonance and intellectual fraud is ugly.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

capitalism isnt anarchy. Where you draw the line is subjective but protecting our most basic rights does not seem like a stretch in my mind.

To follow your thinking above to an extreme, if we let the free markets own and operate roads and the road owners suddenly decided that black people/liberals/gay people/whatever group cant use them anymore, is that ok?

[–]NakedAndBehindYou1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's not just a private company operating as they please. Internet domain registry is regulated by the government and only a selection of companies are able to register domain names.

Government regulation of internet infrastructure is unfortunately necessary, because otherwise you would run into severe problems like one ISP sending you to one "apple.com" and another ISP sending you to some other web hosts's "apple.com" which are both owned by two different companies. Lack of proper regulation on domain name registry would turn the entire internet to chaos.

The problem with this, however, is that if the handful of domain registrars all decide to do something like censor Conservative viewpoints (one of the political left's favorite activities), there is no way for Conservatives to fight back against this, because government regulation is in the way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

SWIFT system is also controlled by a private company and look what it can do.

Bring whole countries to their knees. Protip Iran.

[–]bilabrin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually yes. As you read, gab will be finding a new host to pay as their current host loses current and future business.

[–]1nzgs-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What free market? The internet is controlled and regulated by government. And at this point the American government and Google are essentially the same thing, such is their entanglement.

If the internet truly was a free market then you are right this wouldn't be a problem.

[–]AlexKingstonsGigolo1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

So, Gab agreed to certain terms and conditions, violated them, and is now upset someone noticed and is holding them to their word? I'm not feeling a lot of sympathy. I'm not feeling any sympathy, actually.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, so I don't have to hear about "net neutrality" any more?

[–]Drumcode-Equals-Life2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy

Yeah I don't see the controversy, they signed a legal agreement to follow terms and conditions in exchange for using the service provided, and they violated that. A private company has every right to deny business as it sees fit for violation of a legal document.

Can't Gab just take its business to another domain provider that's more friendly to their organization? Or can't someone with the right skills design a domain hosting site if there's a space to fill in the market?

What's the endgame here, using more government to prevent private companies from conducting their own business?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 20 points21 points  (11 children) | Copy

The writing is on the wall for this one. Look at daily stormer. Even when they tried to transfer, the registrars took ownership of the domain so they couldn't transfer out.

This is foul play.

http://www.businessinsider.com/stormfront-founder-don-black-cant-transfer-domain-2017-8?r=UK&IR=T

What's the endgame here, using more government to prevent private companies from conducting their own business?

Good or bad, addressing is a public service. You can sit back and harp on the mythical free-market solving problems, but when you can no longer share ideas or communicate with others through the internet, don't cry to me about it.

It will be a problem.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

We need to start hosting on .eth soon.

The sooner, the better. Uncensorable internet is coming.

[–]goadsaid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

buh buh muh free market! non-aggression! Stefan Molyneux!

"free markets" are horseshit in late stage capitalism. The only thing free is the smaller guys asshole for a corporate fucking.

[–]ovrsurge2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The free market tends to solve unfree markets simply because unfree markets accumulate inefficiencies that would otherwise cripple them and there is only so long governments can print their way out of a correction.

[–]ovrsurge1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Google for instance has trashed their reputation as a cool and good place to work as well as an intentional purge of talent. They will leak talent and replacements will be rarer.

[–]AlexKingstonsGigolo-2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not buying it. The fact remains they agreed to do X and not do Y. They broke that agreement. Being a man requires keeping one's word. Gab didn't do that. I have no fucks I would give even if I had any.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy

You don't understand how the domain name system works. It is a technology based monopoly enforced by ICANN. If someone wants to offer domains for sale, they need to contract with an existing registrar or sign up with ICANN directly spending $200,000+. Those are the only options to have a domain name that works with common browsers and systems. No other options exist.

Those private companies have been collectively deciding to deny services due to their ToS. You can apply directly with ICANN at full cost to implement your own registrar, adopt new blockchain technology like .eth as the poster above suggested, use .onion/TOR, etc as an alternative. These are all solutions that require substantial investment in time or money making them unrealistic for everyday use.

You can give no fucks, but this monopoly is being used for censorship.

Note: I don't agree with any of the content on any of the sites being denied services. I'm just not happy (as someone who knows how IT infrastructure works) because we are sliding down the slippery slope. Fuck censorship in any form. The monopoly should not be used this way.

[–]AlexKingstonsGigolo2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

None of what you wrote here changes the fundamental fact Gab violated the agreement. Since when is being red pill about failing to keep one's promises and then whining about it?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

None of what you wrote here changes the fundamental fact Gab violated the agreement.

The fact Gab's content violated the ToS was never in dispute.

Since when is being red pill about failing to keep one's promises and then whining about it?

I can't speak to anything regarding 'red pill'. I don't agree with any of the content at Gab or any of the other websites. I am concerned about the fact that the Terms of Service are being used as a form of technological censorship when taken as an industry wide problem. All domain registrars have similar language in their terms of service.

Speaking to simply "failing to keep one's promises and then whining about it", that is why I provided the context of the domain name system. There are a limited number of places to buy domain names. They all have virtually similar Terms of Service. That makes it so the group can't keep their promises and also access the internet.

The monopoly should not be used for censorship.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Are you going to be okay with censorship as long as it comes from a corporation instead of directly from a government? What happens when leftists control all the major corporations and there is no other "free market" option to choose from? Would you still be okay with this behavior if every domain registrar began censoring internet content and there was no other option? If the entire internet began censoring political views?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not sure the content breaks their TOS. Here's what their TOS says:

Instra Corporation prohibits unlawful use of a registered domain name or product/service we supply, in a manner that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, or hateful against another party. This includes, but is not limited to, hate speech, discrimination or harassment on the basis of gender, religion, sexuality or race.

Now I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me their TOS says "unlawful use of a registered domain" and then they go on to qualify that unlawful use as harmful, threatening, etc.

The problem is, what about the hateful speech that is not unlawful? It would seem that this does not apply to this clause. Unless, of course, this clause is just a smokescreen and they really don't care about laws.

Here is what was censored: http://a.trp.red/censored

You tell me if they broke the agreement with that tasteless but legal post.

[–]SAPPHIREAURA4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

A) There's always the dark web/deep web; tor. B) I lean right and I'll admit daily stormer has been a guilty pleasure once in a while, but where is the line between hate speech and free speech. On some level a lot of this comes off as defending websites that spew a lot of hateful garbage, yea yea its free speech but c'mon did you not read the article that was posted about the girl that was run over before the site got shut down? Shock factor gone a little too far not to mention how these sites radicalize losers. Extremism on the left or right is trash.

My point is it's not like these are just any old sites that are getting shut down, let's be real. Should child porn(abuse) be legal? As freedom of speech. or NAMBLA....Sane judgment people or an ISIS forum as free speech

[–]Darth_Antonius6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

A: lol, the deep web is swarming with FBI, NSA, and all sorts of other government surveillance

B: child porn and overt threats of violence are not protected under free speech, everything else is

[–]SAPPHIREAURA-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A) there's ways to improve your security but interesting didn't know it had gotten that bad

B) according to that logic NAMBLA is fine then, and extremist hate websites as long as they're not overtly planning attacks

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

how do you cross-post?

[–]ithaqua_of_ice0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

We need to identify a registrar that has some balls and principles: https://www.icann.org/registrar-reports/accredited-list.html

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm hearing nearlyfreespeech.net might be a solution...

[–]CrackingYs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

.onion

The system of liberty and democracy we have enjoyed for centuries is collapsing. I think there's no option any more but for free-thinkers to collectively move to the dark web.

[–]empistolado 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

you can make your own dns server, get all the red pilld people using it and have any domain name u want

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's an idea, though I dislike being stuck in a walled garden where average joe could never stumble upon us.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

This is not a new worry and distrust of ICANN power goes back to the earliest internet.

Alternatives include: OpenNIC (easy DNS replacement) and namecoin (work-in-progress).

Many of the decentralized social networks don't rely on DNS at all. It's sort of silly to think this is a new thing. Companies have been using DNS to shut down websites since before Napster.

I haven't looked at Diaspora in a long time and I can't remember how it works but IIRC it's a distributed thing where you can buy devices like a raspberrypi and just plug them in and mesh up. And there are things like scuttlebutt.io which are very promising.

Edit: looks like OpenNIC proxies out namecoin addresses. Last time I setup namecoin resolution (a looong time ago) it was much more complex.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

It's sort of silly to think this is a new thing. Companies have been using DNS to shut down websites since before Napster.

For breaking laws.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

Not always. It also goes back to other things like trademark disputes and companies seizing domains of critics/whistleblowers. Like all the *sucks.com and cybersquatting chaos. Things like the WWF vs WWF dispute. The early internet was littered with these things as dinosaurs finally came online and found people already used "their" names.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

When the internet was young, establishing precedent for trademark laws online was important.

What we're looking at here today is considerably different, and marks a very different precedent. I hope you could understand that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

No, it's not. If you accept ICANN authority, you live and die by ICANNs whims which have catered to corporations for over a decade. The fact that gab.ai expected some Asian registrar to subscribe to or defend American free speech ideals or even give a shit is beyond idiotic and I have zero sympathy for morons. You get what you pay for. Choose your corporate overlords carefully.

Why do you give a shit about ICANN authority? ICANN is essentially top mod of the corporate internet. You're familiar with curating a community to advance your world-view via censorship.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

The fuck you on about?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Look it's simple: the only way to escape the censorship is to abandon the regulatory capture of the internet that is ICANN. That means alternate DNS, not playing wackamole by serial sharecropping. All you have to do is stop plugging into their authority. ICANN is just the default internet thug for lazy sheeple who can't be bothered to open a network configuration control panel. Use systems that don't rely on DNS (P2P or mesh networks) or use an alternate DNS (OpenNIC, namecoin, etc). This is a solved problem.

[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The fact that gab.ai expected some Asian registrar to subscribe to or defend American free speech ideals

The registrar in question is UK owned, not "asian".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

https://www.asiaregistry.com/about-us and irrelevant to the discussion

[–]Rian_Stone0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fine, Islamic registrar

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is a solved problem.

Like saying rent is too high in NYC, so put your storefront in the desert. Problem solved... in a way that only a sperg would miss the nuance.

[–]tropzumuch0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We need an alternative place to come together when the day comes.

I will subscribe via mail to TRP, but I'm not sure if that will help. We need something else.

[–]gbfyt3er24d0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy

I'm sorry but how does this work? I've read that a few days ago another website was taken down and now I'm just lost...

[–]nb2k3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

Basically a domain, "reddit dot com" (damn you bot) is managed by a registry company that looks after domain names. They have had "someone" complain to them about their content and want it removed.

Realistically, there are more moving parts than this though. In this case, gab dot ai uses the .ai top level domain. This is administered by the government of Anguilla. This is a small British overseas territory above Venezuela. This is similar to how .it is run by the Italians, .au is run by the Australians and .de is run by the Germans. They are generally managed by a closely related government or charity association.

The actual running of the top level domain is then run by a registry. In this case Offshore Information Services for Anguilla, IT-NIC for Italy, AusRegistry for Australia and DENIC for Germany.

These registries then allow other registries to sell the domains for the top level domains. Think GoDaddy, which you probably have heard of. If I buy a .com.au domain from GoDaddy, they will then tell AusRegistry and I can set my site up.

As you can see, there are many fingers in the pie so this drama that is playing out here is nothing to do with censorship but rather stress of doing business.

Gai dot ai bought their domain from Asianregistry dot com which is a brand of Instra Corporation out of Melbourne, Australia. They received a "complaint". Where did this complaint come from? Realistically, it would have to be pretty bad if it came from their legal team. Most likely their legal team received a complaint from another legal team.

Did the initial complaint come via Anguilla because their TLD is there? Did the initial complaint come via Australia because their registry is there? Did the initial complaint come via the US because their services are delivered via there?

Who knows.

You can still see the post for yourself if you type it in. It is a tad offensive but not as bad as I have seen on Reddit. My speculation would be a lawyer of the family has filed a few complaints with a variety of agencies but this again is just speculation. The amusing thing is, the OP (in the link) posts someone else's face publicly but does not post their own.

There is nothing but dramatic speculation in this thread about freedom of speech when realistically, it is because of a website spreading itself across multiple jurisdictions.

4Chan is still there and there has been worse on that.

[–]gbfyt3er24d0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Ok, I got how this thing works.

The thing is, can they really sue the registry and force it to shut down the website? This is ridiculous!

[–]nb2k1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

And like I said, it was another country applying the pressure...

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/909646893516414977

[–]gbfyt3er24d0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

OH SHIT! WTF IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!

[–]nb2k0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They are not really suing anyone. It is just legal threats hoping you will do something. Think of it like the film industry sending your ISP a demand to give you up for illegally downloading something. Your ISP doesn't want the stress of dealing with that crap so they forward the letter on to you. Generally fear will make you stop doing it. The ISP can shut you off because you are making their life hell and because it is against their T&Cs.

That example is different because you are crossing the line legally whereas this case it was simply an offensive post from someone else.

As I said, because of jurisdictions there are a lot of other factors. Australia and the UK do not have the same freedom of speech rules that the US does so the request to remove this content could have come via one of these countries simply because the words cause distress.

[–]gbfyt3er24d-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

On these moments that I realize that even with all the BS going on, the USA is still the best country on earth.

[–]killking72-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

when realistically, it is because of a website spreading itself across multiple jurisdictions.

Christ. You blasted right through the point of the post without actually understanding it.

[–]Ltactics10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This isn't a breach of free speech. In fact, it is speech. If companies don't want white supremacists on their shit, that's their right.

[–]goldaxis0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Now you know why the left toiled so hard to gain control over the tech companies. If they can't control your speech through law, they'll just do it through corporations.

[–]killking72-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

This was me right after the whole Daily Stormer shit went down.

Tried explaining to other people on Reddit that "net neutrality" is being pushed by certain companies to take the control out of ISPs hands, while sticking the entirety into theirs.

That's why I don't support net neutrality it in the least.

In this situation I can't say who has and doesn't have the right to control the internet. ISPs, or all service providers beneath them(hosts, etc.). It's only right to support a bill that removes all of these avenues of control, or we'll get the normal way the government and people act. Solve one part of the problem and leave it at that.

We'll never have a push to force companies other than ISPs to stay neutral.

Hell. Part of me wonders who's been throwing around all the money and giving exposure to the current version of net neutrality🤔🤔🤔

[–]njullpointer-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

The internet has been dying under the weight of corporate interests for the last twenty years or more. Ever since e.g. coca cola set up a website and established a "web presence" (a word so out of date that nobody even uses it any more), the previously open web became more and more constrained to follow the demands of an increasingly puritan set of businessmen and women who sought to make the domain of nerds and enthusiasts into the next best place to sell you a burger.

It naturally follows that any public place conform to "public sensibilities", which means that freedom of speech must be fought for the same it is fought for everywhere else, only with now corporate interests being the guardians of this previously wild wonderland, it's trivial to silence the opposition.



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