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Frame. You Lack It

by ReddJive | June 25, 2019 | askMRP

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Frame. It is the primary thing you should be building. I personally don't’ care about how well you are banging Mary Jane Rotten Crotch. Your lifting? Ok I have come around to believe that should be mentioned.

Yeah I get it you are trying to swallow the big red dick that is The Red Pill while you are also trying figure out what a man is, or what kind of man you are. Believe me Red Pill isn’t a pill as much as it is a finger in your ass during a blowjob. How you handle it will define you.

I read a lot of posts about how great your sex is. I am impressed really I am, but what does that prove? It proves women like dick. Frame is far more essential. I don’t care about why AWALT is. It just is.

The Sky Sees The Clouds

Your actions are all you can control. It’s all you truly own in life. We usually crucify the Rambo, but what we really crucify is the Rambo who then comes crawling back begging for help on a mess he created. I prefer people who do shit on purpose. You can be spontaneous, or unpredictable if you want, but I am here to tell you someone who thinks, fucks, and lives with a plan is fucking attractive.

if she is acting disrespectful, whether or not she’s fucking you, means she doesn’t accept you the way you think she does. Someone can desire you (or your money) but not value you. If you are new to this, she isn’t going to listen so well, and that’s when you have to just not GAF. She is going to want to remind you about how fucking pathetic you are. That she doesn't need a man. Sure sure you can slap the anaconda out and do the helicopter if you want. Watch her squeal with delight. All you proved is that women like dick.

Grey Clouds, White Clouds, Black Clouds

Your frame isn’t defined by the sex you get. She knows she can get dick. It’s out there and any hungry guy will take her up on it. I am Chad. I know for fact that sex is easy. Your Frame isn’t determined by the pussy you slay. Your frame is determined by telling her that she can go. That the train doesn’t stop, it might slow but it will never stop. It’s her choice to stay or leave.

Many of you are thinking that if I do X then Y will happen. She will magically submit and be the wife/girlfriend/woman you want. She might. Then again she might not. MRP saves the man not the relationship.

Your Frame is manifested in your mission and your pursuit of it. You do things for your own purpose. Her, or anyone else’s acknowledgment is just a bonus. The result of who you are.

The Sky Isn’t The Weather

What happens when you have no frame? You act with entitlement; an expectation that your needs can only be fulfilled by someone else. That's a powerless position and explains why you're a blue pill faggot.

You are going to do a lot of cool shit that no one will notice. You may do embarrassing things that everyone notices. the only thing guaranteed is your death. A man’s life if hero to zero every damn day.

It’s not that bad things don’t happen to an Alpha Male, it’s how an Alpha Male handles bad things.


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Title Frame. You Lack It
Author ReddJive
Upvotes 36
Comments 31
Date 25 June 2019 02:46 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askMRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/243294
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/c514ub/frame_you_lack_it/
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[–]SepeanRed Beret16 points17 points  (10 children) | Copy

I agree with much of what is said here, but some of it sounds off to me. It sounds like you think that what you think is important in your life is also what girls find attractive, which is rarely the case. We men tend to get impressed by leaders and achievers, while women really just like cocky, fit assholes.

I read a lot of posts about how great your sex is. I am impressed really I am, but what does that prove? It proves women like dick. Frame is far more essential.

I don't think it is meaningful to say women like dick. Women like high alpha dick. As all the guys in dead bedrooms found out, even with her home, lifestyle and family and her kid's happiness on the line, a woman can hardly bring herself to touch the dick of a devoted husband if he shows too little alpha.

A guy who gets great sex is at least displaying a lot of alpha. His frame appears to be strong. That's why it is used as metric. I personally feel that the canary in the coalmine is if at any time you can unzip your pants and your girl will drop to her knees and blow you - then the basics are in place, the guy is an attractive alpha and she feels it.

Are you talking about the difference between faking frame and actually having internalized it?

I prefer people who do shit on purpose. You can be spontaneous, or unpredictable if you want, but I am here to tell you someone who thinks, fucks, and lives with a plan is fucking attractive.

I'm in the camp that alphas can be losers - Chad can be a pool boy, a low life criminal. Alpha is completely unrelated to long term plans and a bigger purpose. Frame is about being in touch with your instincts and desires and freely letting them flow into intent and action. You're not letting bullshit get in the way like what annoys or inconveniences other people, their feelings or morals. And in particular you have frame in direct social interaction - your cool during high stakes negotiations doesn't matter one bit if you're appeasing to the girl in front of you.

There are plenty of driven and successful men who get so little pussy because all their big plans, great execution and awesome results just doesn't translate to alpha. They want their accomplishments to do the work for them, but the reality is that it doesn't. That's why trophy wives go out and fuck their tennis coach instead of their husband.

Now, you can have big plans and be alpha, sure. But they're two different things and attraction comes from alpha and frame as displayed in the here and now.

Your Frame is manifested in your mission and your pursuit of it. You do things for your own purpose. Her, or anyone else’s acknowledgment is just a bonus. The result of who you are.

Eh, sort of, but not exactly. "Mission" sounds like some larger goal, and neither that nor how you pursue encapsulates frame. Frame doesn't require some grand mission. If "mission" is "whatever I feel right now", then I'd agree with you.

Doing things that isn't for your own purpose, and seeking acknowledgment, that's certainly a lack of frame.

[–]diceblue4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This guy frames

[–]TurdDoctor2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I personally feel that the canary in the coalmine is if at any time you can unzip your pants and your girl will drop to her knees and blow you - then the basics are in place, the guy is an attractive alpha and she feels it.

I agree with what you say, but what if you don't have sex on demand by your girl? It may be a nuance, but I think what ReddJive is saying is more that a man with frame can unzip his pants at any time and get a blow job by A girl if that's what he wants. His frame and happiness isn't dependent on what his girl does or does not do.

[–]SepeanRed Beret-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

what if you don't have sex on demand by your girl?

Then it is 99% certain that your frame or game is lacking.

[–]TurdDoctor1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Of course you are right especially for the new guy. But I don't like the idea of any kind of litmus test for validation of one's frame.

"If (fill in the blank, maybe LTR or wife) does (fill in the blank, maybe sex on demand), my frame is on point"--this line of thinking seeks something external. Frame comes from within and doesn't depend on what someone else does or doesn't do.

Again, maybe it's a nuance or splitting hairs, doesn't matter really.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying. It’s not a true measure, it’s just a good rule of thumb - 95% of the time a guy who gets that has frame, and a guy who doesn’t hasn’t.

[–]Reach180Red Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sepean, you're hands down the best commenter/poster here.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ultimately we are saying the same thing. I opted not to get into the weeds on some aspect because Frame is already a hard concept for the unplugging man to understand.

The display of Alphaness I can understand yet the underlying issue is that too many guys are using sex as the final mark. We already know a woman will fuck a beta to keep the ”bux” around, and we also know there is a time limit on this. At some point she will get tired of it and move on. Some marry because the beta is the first life raft that came along. So yes I agree with you that getting good sex is a signpost yet the nascent alpha can’t stop pushing. She also has to know that good/great sex is expected.

Agreed about the loser Chad. Yet even he has a mission. It may not be as grandiose as some but he has one. It may be a simple “Living life, man.”

Our attitudes and outlook in life, ergo our Frame, is the most important thing we can have in life.

[–]scarmine340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

We men tend to get impressed by leaders and achievers, while women really just like cocky, fit assholes.

I disagree with you on this first point. Women are biologically programmed to want the best genes and the best support to ensure those genes go on to replicate themselves.

That means they want a cocky, fit asshole, but they also want a provider. That could be the lion that has a total DNGAF attitude, but will still kill the shit out of anything that comes near his women and kids.

Cocky and fit are just proxies for the ability to provide for and defend.

[–]SepeanRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, women want providers too, we call that beta. The thing is, they just want their resources, and they dole out the minimum amount of sex needed to hook their beta bucks.

From alphas, girls want their genes and they’ll fuck their brains out to get it.

So you can provide for a girl and get the bare minimum, or you can be a cocky, fit asshole and get it all for free.

[–]mrp_awakening0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women are biologically programmed to want the best genes and the best support to ensure those genes go on to replicate themselves.

And their biological programming knows that "best genes" and "best support" needn't come from the same man... hence AF/BB.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dread gets you sex, frame gets you respect.

[–]GoodWillFunky5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Quality post and a point everyone here should get. Guys give too many fucks about measuring personal success with success with women. In my opinion you realize that you have a frame when having a woman besides you becomes an option and not a necessity. And I’m no MGTOW because I love pussy, but anyone should go MGTOW until realizes this very fact, instead of the step by step circle jerk that usually ends in LAARPING and monkey dancing. Become your main mental point of origin and get on with your mission. The rest will come on it’s time.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I need to fuck women. It’s like food in the sense that if I lack access to it, getting it becomes the most dominant thought in my mind.

The success of the red pill for me wasn’t that I learnt to go without it - I doubt that is even possible short of some very unhealthy suppression of some of the most basic instincts and drives in us. It was that it gave me such easy access to it.

[–]Art_MartinStill a somewhat autist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I need to fuck women. It's like food in the sense that if I lack access to it, getting it becomes the most dominant thought in my mind

Thats the most succinct summary of the male need for sex I've ever read. I feel the same way and until recently I demonstrated it to my wife through neediness. I expect that most beta men do the same.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They do. I just got done saying this to /u/Daddy_Thundercock in his OYS it’s not only the seeking of validation from her but also seeking her respect.

Respect will come and it is a marker on the road BUT you don’t need it. If you get wrapped around that axle you will lose your frame. You will then start chasing the Pussy again.

You don’t need her respect. Her respect is the result of who you are. Remember she can just as easily walk away on you then where’s your respect if it was hinged on her?

A woman’s presence in your life is of value. Men seek value in their lives.

[–]GoodWillFunky0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I totally agree with you; however, I will explain my point in detail. Everything boils down to needs and wants. What do I want Vs what do I need. Do I want to have sex, of course. Do I need to have sex absolutely. In a smart sense needs should be above wants. So what do I need? For example: Is sex what I need at this moment when I’m a fat fuck 30% bf who plays video games and jackoff to porn? I guess lifting and improving personally and physically, giving up porn, video games should be a priority before thinking in the need or want for sex. And going further and poking at the issue with entitlement. Do I deserve to worry of satisfy the want for sex when I don’t even know how to pass a shit test, I don’t dress well, I have no game among other shit? Or should I let the influence of a bunch of anons from the internet dictate what my priorities should be? Is a marathon not a sprint and in my personal Rambo case I have realized that we need to learn to walking before thinking about running. Sex shouldn’t be a priority, it should be the result of being a HVM and the only way to get there is knowing very well what your priorities are.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dont compare a finger in the ass during a BJ to Red Pill.

It shows your complete and utter ignorance on fingers in the ass during a BJ.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I’ve been thinking about this the last couple days since I’m developing a course for my coaching program. Today, I actually said out loud earlier that frame is the most important element, and I decided to make it top priority.

Also, I listened to a podcast earlier that said how effective you are will be revealed by the results in your life. With that said...how respectful she is to you is a much better indicator than how much sex you have with her. She will have sex if you’re lifting like you said, but respect is an indicator of your frame... generally speaking

At the end of the day, it’s about you as a man, but respect can be a gauge of your leadership and frame.

[–]SepeanRed Beret6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

She will have sex if you’re lifting like you said

She won't. If that was enough there'd be no need for the red pill.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

If that was enough there'd be no need for the red pill.

Where does it say that’s enough?

The point is lifting will get you laid because it creates competitive anxiety to a degree. It helps to break the predictable pattern. But, is it “enough?” No, but it’s a start and might start getting you sex until she figures out you’re still a pussy. OP’s point is too many guys come in here thinking they “made it” because they are getting more sex, but a better gauge is frame and eventually if it’s not there, the disrespect ramps up.

Rollo: “guys will report how sexual their wives become after they get to the gym and start shaping up after a long layoff (or for the first time). It’s easy to pass this off as looking better makes women more aroused (which is true), but underneath that is the breaking of a pattern. You’re controllable and predictable so long as you’re pudgy and listless–what other woman would want you? But start changing your patterns, get into shape, make more money, get a promotion, improve and demonstrate your higher value in some appreciable way and the imagination and competition anxiety returns.”

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Hmm, never considered that. I was filthy rich and lifting pre-MRP, so didn’t get to experience the effect of changing anything you mention either.

But even a very high level, they certainly don’t get the job done, I got dead bedroomed just the same.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

But even a very high level, they certainly don’t get the job done, I got dead bedroomed just the same.

Probably even more common if you were beta bux? usually ends up in dead bedroom status with possibly a Chad on the side. I always lifted, so I always had sex. It became duty at one point, but when I went on TRT and added 10 pounds of muscle, the frequency and passion increased. However, I’ve been at this MRP for a few years also, so I think it’s the whole package.

[–]SepeanRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can’t remember how much sex we had, maybe 1-2 times per month and very low quality. And I was lifting and doing MMA.

As a standalone feature, lifting doesn’t do anywhere near enough imo. Frame and game do the heavy lifting imo. And as further evidence there’s a lot of manosphere and PUA guys who aren’t anyhing to look at and still slay. Looks are great and shouldn’t be neglected, but it is not the most important.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

filthy rich

Filthy rich, really? I've read your prior posts.

Filthy rich to me is $50 million plus.

What is filthy rich to you?

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was at $20 million. Lost all of it following the financial crisis.

[–]markpf730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s the change in a pattern and behavior that creates the anxiety.

The female anxiety hamster only gets going when it detects a change (like a barometer). This is just like you feel the change in pressure as your ears pop on the take off or landing of a plane.

However your ears feel nothing in a steady state at cruising altitude.

Hindbrain female anxiety is only produced by change.

[–]JCX_Pulse0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I think this post shows how we measure success in this forum. Each week most OYS posts are centered around “the sex is good so I am doing good”. I’m guilty of measuring my success based on how much I’m getting laid instead of other factors which matter more, like respect, submission, and not being a harpy cunt.

I’ll now reevaluate my measure of success and my hierarchy of how I give importance to my red pill journey strengths. Good post.

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

measuring my success based on how much I’m getting laid instead of other factors

Most of us start out like this, then we get some success and as much sex as we want, then it finally sinks in the importance of a mission.

You finally realize sex its just meat and friction. It's like taking a big shit.

[–]JCX_Pulse0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do cum when I poo. Logic lines up.

[–]SepeanRed Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, that’s how we humans work. Take away food, sex, shelter, we become so focused on getting it. Once we have easy access to it, we stop thinking about it and move on to the next thing.

A red pill guy with a decent income in the western world, he’s got nothing to worry about. All basic needs are easily met. He’s free to pursue his dreams.



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