CMV: Men should stop trying to get society to care about their problems unless they're willing to use violence

[deleted] · 2018-10-18T00:37:02+00:00

I think being part of PPD, and various other places where men express their discontentedness/hurt, has absolutely made me care more about their problems and think more critically about how I can support the men in my life, especially my little brother. Based on my experiences, no one honestly sharing their problems and views is truly doing something useless.

PennnyLame · 2018-10-17T23:45:34+00:00

You do realize that groups of men, who actually did the work of activism have gotten “society” to make changes, right? Look at the civil rights movement. Note that the leaders of that movement were doing more than bitching online...

whitetrashcarl · 2018-10-18T00:09:13+00:00

Agree but idk why you think they won’t. It’s already happening. So in that sense I’m challenging your view

sadomasochrist · 2018-10-18T00:22:18+00:00

I understand you think you're being edgy, but this actually is the outcome of the black community. Unless you actually want to embrace widespread DV to the level that it's impossible to actually patrol or to hold men accountable or have them help raise their kids or even have assets worth garnishing this probably isn't a very good thing to hope for.

Were you around here in the Jammerly days? Where she was basically melting down about the fact she was a twenty something black girl with a masters and she knew within her heart of hearts that every black guy she knew was living the bachelor life or a gangbanger that used his fists to solve an argument?

Your edginess is perched on a pedestal built from male servitude and beta male blue pill dreams. The second you destroy those dreams by saying things like "lol no one cares if you're disposable" you start creating the "black community outcome."

Straight up, the female gambit requires men love them in blue pill ways and stick around with their kids or your life will be awful. Even child support requires men to be beta and to believe in the dream.

Otherwise, your very edgy comment becomes a double edged sword when he'd rather cut your head off and flee the country than get dragged through court.

Frankly, I don't see from any angle how you could hold this view without relying on the government and the blindness provided by your own affluence.

Absolutely idiotic.

If actual gender violence broke out you'd be a slave.

KikiYuyu · 2018-10-17T23:47:22+00:00

Uh... wanna elaborate on that view a little more than that?

LeJacquelope · 2018-10-18T01:48:55+00:00

I totally downvoted this in violation of PPD's policies. I automatically downvote all calls for violence.

Gynocentrism must be defeated ONLY by strict nonviolent nonparticipation. Men must destroy the system of male disposability in a way where no amount of military retaliation or police action can be in any way effective. You cannot wage a defensive war against an ~~slave~~enemy that won't engage you.

To all men: don't burn down the plantation. Walk off of it.

Bronzehawkattack · 2018-10-18T02:01:20+00:00

Incel here, violence hasn't worked so far tbh.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-10-18T00:40:35+00:00

Civilization has been built to punish male violence. Using violence would accomplish nothing, except landing in prison.

[deleted] · 2018-10-18T00:52:05+00:00

Naw...

We're seeing the effects of the MRAs starting to creep into popular media. #metoo pushed it one step too far and anti feminism is on the rise.

Demi Levato got fucking lambasted for her "prank" of sending a sex worker into her boyfriends(?) room to grab his junk.

Men are refusing to marry and the media is picking up on this.

Aziz Ansari's accuser was crucified by pretty much everyone.

Men are refusing to be alone with women at work, which limits how far up the ladder women can go.

Nobody but the most militant feminists and #believeallwomen think Ford is credible.

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LUClEN · 2018-10-18T01:30:56+00:00

I kind of like being expendable. There's a comfort in knowing that it is widely assumed I am strong enough to bear any hardships life may throw my way.

Also, despite what the vocal minority screeches, ladies often respond well to it. Giving your seat up to those less capable of standing, letting the feeble go first, carrying heavier loads to make up for those around you, and more, all tend to get positive responses, in my experience.

[deleted] · 2018-10-18T02:04:38+00:00

Well...not probable.

You should change the part on "willing to use violence" to "willing to not provide for others". Men do not need to use violence, it is a last resort that we pass our entire lives avoiding. All they need to do is to perceive their own suffering and leave it like any rational being would do.

All men really need to do is to stop providing for others and that is already happening. Not by a coordinated effort like feminism but as a wide spread feeling that males have the short end of the stick. Many men are leaving the workplace, the marriage, the relationships, and in some cases even careers and lives. After all, why sacrifice yourself if you gonna receive what you perceive as little? most men that perceive it just avoid providing for others, as they know they will receive little in return.

That is the whole MGTOW idea. (which I do not buy but seen to be working pretty well in the west)

Why the heck would a man need to use violence? we are humans. we use our brains. We have something of value to trade for society's care, our labor, our work, our money and ourselves.

jkonrad · 2018-10-18T02:08:43+00:00

Their biggest problem is not society, it’s themselves. Logically, if they harm anyone it should be themselves.

[deleted] · 2018-10-18T00:15:14+00:00

So do you think Alek Minassian did the right thing then?

CombatStacey · 2018-10-18T00:30:43+00:00

Loner boys have been shooting students in schools for years now. Nothing has improved for loner boys. In fact, people have less sympathy than they did before.

Violence did nothing.

Acts of terrorism in Europe etc - achieved zero for those men.

Men hitting/killing their girlfriends and wives and children - achieved zero for those men.

The main issue facing men is unstable work opportunities/loss of jobs - and there are no acts of violence that can change this. But if men band together and start businesses/innovate - they can really make a massive difference.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2018-10-18T01:11:32+00:00

men "built" society. men invented the male disposability that has been prevalent in patriarchal society.

you think men being violent will change the stereotype that men are aggressive and meant for dangerous physical labor? or that violence will convince people that lonely boys deserve mates? nah, itll just show people "men are as shitty as we always thought" and push alt-right men farther to the right

Title	CMV: Men should stop trying to get society to care about their problems unless they're willing to use violence
Author	TheKarmicWoosh
Upvotes	7
Comments	113
Date	October 17, 2018 11:42 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9p3wkr/cmv_men_should_stop_trying_to_get_society_to_care/
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