Q4All: is it better to be a very happy Beta, or a neither happy or unhappy Alpha?

wracky272 · 2018-06-02T11:33:10+00:00

Plenty of beta men who are successful in life with a beautiful wife by his side (both on the inside and out). Plenty of guys who acts like what redpillers call alpha males who are losers and are either borderline incels or only attract shit women. I choose success by being me, that's what I want.

wtknight · 2018-06-02T15:19:22+00:00

It's better to be the very happy Beta. The whole idea of wanting to become an Alpha is that one is happier being able to attract women and having sex with them, so if being an Alpha doesn't bring this happiness, then why put in the effort trying to be an Alpha?

Unconfidence · 2018-06-02T09:14:08+00:00

I'd prefer to be what I am, which is someone who rejects all that bullshit.

SweeterPickles · 2018-06-02T13:17:59+00:00

I lead a very happy and fulfilling life, and apparently to some I am a Beta. I don’t think I care to be more “dominant” or “higher SMV,” so I guess I’d take the happiness over being some macho dude.

Marino4K · 2018-06-02T11:39:48+00:00

In theory, a happy beta would be best and would likely have qualities of an alpha to balance out and therefore have a successful LTR.

Being very general here

InertBrian · 2018-06-02T14:37:02+00:00

Since happiness is what we strive for, I’ll take the happy beta route as long as I’m not screwed in the end (happiness lasts until I die).

exit_sandman · 2018-06-02T09:23:08+00:00

Genuine happiness is preferable.

The question is rather how genuine your happiness as a beta will be with most women.

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hammerhaunts · 2018-06-02T08:23:18+00:00

Elaborate

[deleted] · 2018-06-02T15:20:21+00:00

A neither happy or unhappy alpha,

This question is like asking: which is better? be a very happy poor man or a neither happy or unhappy rich guy?

I prefer to be indifferent in paris or in a woman than in my favela and alone.

reluctantly_red · 2018-06-02T18:00:11+00:00

It is indeed possible to be a happy Beta -- at least for awhile. The problem is that said Beta has to be able to provide an ever increasing amount of resources. Inevitably he will fail to meet ever increasing expectations and will be kicked to the curb.

Years of faithful provisioning mean nothing. The only things that matter to the women are what the Beta has done for her lately and more importantly what is he going to do for her now and in the near future.

Happy Betahood is a trap!!!

stats135 · 2018-06-02T18:46:28+00:00

I don't fucking care if I'm alpha or beta. Whatever gets me the most sex with the most attractive women, I'll be that. In the grand scheme of things, results are what matters.

I find it baffling that people can be so much more focused on the means rather than the ends. When I wake up and go to work I can to go by car or by train, I'm going to chose the option that gets me there the quickest. When I'm at work, I don't give a fuck about my job or the Company, I chose the career that pays me the most. When I get home and heat my food up for dinner, I don't give a shit if its by using the oven or the stove, its whatever the most convenient. I apply the same philosophy throughout my life. When I head out to interact with women, I don't give a fuck if I'm a nice guy or a jerk, an alpha or a beta, the only thing that I will factor into my consideration is what the most efficient way of getting me sex would be.

PhotosyntheticChad · 2018-06-02T19:06:15+00:00

Well, we need to remember that the terms Alpha and Beta are relative and related to sexual strategy in dominance hierarchies.

Non-confirming males, often called sigma or omega males, will break off and form their own tribes in wild primates.

Humans don’t really have this option.

But yes, a man might well be an alpha in one group and a beta in another. Some men are always betas, some always alphas, but the position is relative.

abaxeron · 2018-06-03T00:47:40+00:00

I'll take Alpha simply because Alphas seem to have better general health. I'd take health over "very happiness"; but, I might be misinterpreting the question.

sadomasochrist · 2018-06-03T01:16:06+00:00

Ignorance is bliss until the forcible unplugging.

Five_Decades · 2018-06-03T14:40:09+00:00

I'd rather be a happy beta.

To me the real issue with being a beta is if a woman doesn't really 'want' or respect you, she just settled for you because her baggage and age was limiting her options.

Nobody wants to be with someone who doesn't respect or appreciate them. I think that is the big stigma against being a beta.

But betas seem like they are more capable of meaningful emotional connections than alphas.

newName543456 · 2018-06-03T20:56:26+00:00

I can't imagine any circumstances where I could be beta and happy at the same time.

Being alpha I could make my own happiness if I wanted to.

ChadwickChadington · 2018-06-04T03:36:00+00:00

I'm fairly alpha and neither happy nor unhappy. I lead a corporation.

I'm happy because I've achieved some things, but unhappy because I haven't achieved other things and I have little time to relax.

If my goal was simply to feel happy, being a beta-provider and confining my thoughts to my immediate surroundings would achieve that.

The reason to go through the considerable effort to build and lead an organization -- anyone that calls themselves "alpha" who is not making daily decisions that effect directly and profoundly dozens of people in the immediate vicinity (people who have invested considerable portions of their lives building the organization) and indirectly hundreds, thousands, potentially millions more due the actions of the organization on the wider world, is just talking bullshit -- is because one views the mission as actually important and not a means to attract women and frivolous entertainments.

If one believes one's mission is truly important, then personal happiness is incidental.

Emotivists will claim that this is then another form of pursuing happiness, but that's reducing happiness to simply achieving goals, which then is just stating a tautology (that we do what we are trying to do). When we discuss "happiness" as a goal what is clearly meant, and for it to have any non-tautological meaning, is a feeling called "happy". If we have a different goal than this, it may or may not coincide with feelings of happiness from time to time. And this difference is completely actionable; if I decided my mission was pointless and just went and lived on a beach having a series of "in the moment" transient adventures, I could have far more happy than I do now. I view my choices as better than this scenario because I view there is a larger point to my actions that goes beyond my own person.

Theseus_The_King · 2018-06-05T00:35:08+00:00

Happy beta. Beta is not bad. It’s just different.

Entropy-7 · 2018-06-02T16:48:15+00:00

This screams of "false dichotomy"

I am more Sigma than anything and relatively happy with the way that things have turned out.

Title	Q4All: is it better to be a very happy Beta, or a neither happy or unhappy Alpha?
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Date	June 2, 2018 8:17 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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