Do you think this is a healthy, positive outlook for a kid? Why does he believe in these things?

Entropy-7 · 2016-05-23T04:03:29+00:00

The older guys are calling him out and correcting him in a way that you don't see on the blue pill left. A woman who spews this much hatred against men doesn't get a talking to, she gets a masters degree.

Edit: I was curious so I looked at his post history and found this from yesterday -

That's not my definition of redpill. You can be redpill without hating women. I just happen to be a redpiller AND a misogynist. And I'm not really angry at women tbh. Annoyed? Maybe. But I accept their nature even though I might not like it.

DaphneDK · 2016-05-23T03:35:20+00:00

16yo kids say and do all kinds of outragous things to rebel. Perhaps he had a suffocating overprotective mother and no male father figure. In that case this is a healthy rebellious attitude to have at that age. Not healthy at 25 of course.

disposable_pants · 2016-05-23T02:27:07+00:00

He's been hurt, and he's angry. I think that's normal. He's also only 16 and I see that as more of a good thing then a bad thing, since his views will probably change. A 30 year old espousing the same things would be much more worrisome.

alreadyredschool · 2016-05-23T07:18:28+00:00

Typical anger phase case. BP sees misogyny. RP sees older men helping a misguided idiot: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4j3mjm/no_matter_how_alpha_you_are_all_women_cheat_or/d33hawa

wombatinaburrow · 2016-05-23T03:20:39+00:00

He's a kid, and he's been hurt. Give him time and he'll grow out of it.

[deleted] · 2016-05-23T04:31:42+00:00

No, I think OP is fucked in the head and probably a hopeless case

despisedlove2 · 2016-05-23T02:32:50+00:00

If he was following TRP, he would be lifting and sculpting his body. Not be fat.

tallwheel · 2016-05-23T05:57:34+00:00

Looks like a MGTOW in the making. If he's an unattractive kid, and he's not willing to put in the work to improve himself, then he's probably never going to have much success with women. If that is the case, then I say he's better off going MGTOW.

So, though you will certainly disagree, I think he is better off after finding TRP.

gasparddelanuit · 2016-05-23T10:35:57+00:00

His post does not really tell us much, other than that he is angry and frustrated with women or in his case girls, being 16. TRP did not cause that, his experiences with girls did.

We know that people can get nervous about angry men and boys, but if it's just anger and is used constructively, it could be a good thing. I suspect he is just venting, and hopefully will benefit from some of the wiser heads in the red pill community.

BrahYouSerious · 2016-05-23T09:58:27+00:00

There are a lot of 40+ divorced men who's personal life experiences have led them to agree.

Apexk9 · 2016-05-23T02:13:44+00:00

Notice how many points the thread has? 0

That should answer your question.

He's just an angry fat kid who women reject so he vents online to make himself feel better.

[deleted] · 2016-05-23T07:38:02+00:00

I'm a few years older than this kid, and I went through a brief phase like his not too long ago. Sometimes after reading an article about divorce rape/feminism/etc. those types of feelings towards women resurface. But they are grounded in feelings of rage, bitterness, and injustice, not logic. Obviously there are good and bad women out there (like men), so it's unfair to blame or hate all of them for a messed up system/society.

Just because the world doesn't give a shit about men doesn't mean individual women don't. My last gf was sort of a proto-MRA. She totally sympathized and understood with the risks behind marriage and everything, and told me she didn't expect to sign a legal marriage contract if I didn't want to. I never introduced her to TRP - figured it might be a little much for her - but she was RP in her own way.

And even rotten apples can have good parts. Hell, this one girl classmate today saw I'd been working hard for hours, offered to go to her dorm, cook dinner, and bring some back to me. Made my whole fucking day! This chick, btw, is a full-blooded SJW who constantly posts feminist shit all over her Facebook feed (though she's certainly prettier and more nurturing than the stereotypical feminist/SJW). It boggles my mind that someone like her could possibly buy into such a hateful and idiotic ideology, but mostly it just reminds me how stupidly complicated humans really are, and their inability to fall into simple logical categories.

Eventually, this kid will almost certainly gain a little more perspective on things (as will I). My guess is he'll eventually calm down and decide to go lift weights or do something constructive rather than sitting around hating women. When I discovered TRP I was totally out of shape, and I didn't start working out until after a few months of reading - I was still raging pretty hard at that point. But now I do, and I can already see a difference. I hope he can grow up a little soon. He'll probably take a less extreme viewpoint if/when he does.

alcockell · 2016-05-23T10:24:30+00:00

Echoes Proverbs...

[deleted] · 2016-05-23T12:59:37+00:00

I did way worse shit when I was 16, can't say I care too much.

GaiusScaevolus · 2016-05-23T14:15:18+00:00

Maybe that's his reality right now. For those of you who are too old or traumatized to remember, high school kids are mostly fairly shitty people, especially too each other. If he's fat and short, that probably exacerbates any issues.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's the trillionth angry teen who views everything in a hard line black and white sort of way because he doesn't have life experience yet to tell him otherwise. I don't think its a world view that's fully formed, and though it may not be positive, I can't say he's less correct than the inverse view many guys (particularly that age) hold that girls belong on some sort of pedestal.

[deleted] · 2016-05-23T16:38:18+00:00

Frustrated angry teen struggling with hormones and the growing realization he will not grow up to be a NFL quarterback or Brad Pitt.

This is the foundation of TRP.

Johnny_Lawless_Esq · 2016-05-23T20:00:54+00:00

I've run into this guy before. Like most 16 year-old boys, he's got his head so far up his ass his arms are coming out his mouth.

Every village has idiots, some more than others.

Bluer_than_Red · 2016-05-23T20:53:40+00:00

Elliot Rodger in the making.

[deleted] · 2016-05-24T11:19:24+00:00

Are you bothered that a kid takes what he reads as facts so readily? Or do you find it commendable that he knows so much red pill 'truths' at an early age?

What good are TRP "truths" for a 30 year old beta? Aside from the general satisfaction of having "figured it all out"?

dandar4600 · 2016-05-25T17:39:28+00:00

I have felt for a while now that the red pill is dangerous for young, impressionable men. I get teaching about being high value, confidence, not showing weakness, taking care of your shit, not being needy, having to look good naked etc, etc. But trp takes it way too far with awalt, women being beneath you, them being only good for fucking, etc, etc.

Women and men are both human beings. Yes women are more emotion driven, but as Margaret Thatcher showed us, they can be extremely intelligent and logical. Trp dehumanizes women into a tool of self gratification and that hurts both men like this kid and women who interact with men like him.

I wish respect and self accountability were being bigger on the agenda, something like mrp is, but given that mods there actually stickied a post with a title like Single Mothers Are Scum sp I don't have any hope for that sub becoming safe for men like him anytime soon.

[deleted] · 2016-05-26T17:46:23+00:00

It's obviously untrue and unhealthy, but is he an evil shitlord who will go on to abuse women, or a frightened kid lashing out?

SmurfESmurferson · 2016-05-23T03:35:03+00:00

he is only 16 years old <

Aren't most RP folks in that age range?

SpaceWhiskey · 2016-05-23T05:38:47+00:00

He's a teenager and teenagers are embarrassingly overdramatic. I certainly was. God, the shit that I used to think was the end of the world. He probably found TRP and made him feel validated that being snubbed by girls is bullshit and how dare she the whole world is fucked up. Hopefully he grows out of it.

midnightvulpine · 2016-05-23T10:38:45+00:00

I'm concerned for the kid. He's got, in my opinion, the absolute wrong attitude to have in life. Caution is always good, but he's bordering on outright paranoia.

One can only hope he grows out of it and moderates his views a bit or when it comes time to have a real relationship, long term or short, it will go well for him. Because if it doesn't, I can see him developing into the kind of controlling, abusive man that ends in a bad place. If you have an absolute belief that all women will cheat or leave always and mix that with an actual emotional connection with a woman, more likely bad news than good news, you know?

But yeah, he's still a kid. Time will tell for him.

InBaggingArea · 2016-05-23T09:51:53+00:00

Daughter: Please can you help me. Peter is a really nice guy. Any woman would be glad to have him. I know I ought to put his happiness first and foremost in my life. I know that if I were a truly good person the most important question would be how much love can I give, not how much can I get. It breaks my heart to let Peter down.

But Jon is the man I really love. He gets me really excited in a way that Peter never will. If I tell Peter about Jon it may jeopardise my current stable relationship. But now is my big chance with Jon and if I don't take it I may miss it forever. I can't stop thinking about him. What should I do.

Mother: Do what is best for you. Be strong. It is your body. You have a right to do with it as you please. You owe Peter nothing. Do what your gut is telling you. You do not have to spend the rest of your life being miserable just so that Peter can be happy. That's not healthy. Be positive. Take a chance on the best life you can have.

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InBaggingArea · 2016-05-23T09:21:57+00:00

I think the use you make of the terms "healthy" and "positive" is inappropriate and unhelpful.

sexydude01 · 2016-05-23T10:55:50+00:00

Don't see much wrong with his argument when you are speaking about Western women.

Bravo to his perspective on Western women.

I would disagree if he was speaking about Eastern or Islamic women though as they appear to have be much family oriented and held to standards in their culture.

[deleted] · 2016-05-23T11:52:41+00:00

Interesting that a kid sounds exactly like red pill members. I mean, interesting that the fact that he's a kid didn't result in him changing the exact rp language used - because it's already juvenile.

I am concerned. RP is rotting kids brains before they get a chance in life. Cue all the articles in the future years about how red pill "leaders" manipulated young men in order to privately gloat about harming and bringing them down.

BetweenTheVelvetLies · 2016-05-23T12:30:16+00:00

Although this type of thinking is obviously irrational and super toxic (and this is actually the main reason that I started commenting in this subreddit), it doesn't feel right to make a thread about another person and I don't feel it is ethical for me to analyze his behavior without him voluntarily participating in this subreddit. I think it would be better to discuss in general about these toxic beliefs but not mention a particular example of a person holding them. Especially if they don't participate in the discussion.

Title	Do you think this is a healthy, positive outlook for a kid? Why does he believe in these things?
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Date	May 23, 2016 2:12 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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