Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?

shogunofsarcasm · 2016-04-20T22:03:03+00:00

I wouldn't say I completely disagree with them because obviously dating is a process, some women love guys with money, and some women like guys of a high stature. I just don't like that it is often viewed as the only way women do things.

The only time I have looked for a better man was when the previous one was abusive. There are many women who don't go for the most "alpha" guy and also don't care about the "beta bucks" I am happy in my relationship partially because he is on the same level as me and isn't any better or a high ranking alpha, partially because he doesn't pedestal me, and mostly because he makes me smile and laugh. Obviously some women do things differently, so I disagree with those terms when they are all encompassing

downunderit · 2016-04-21T00:56:59+00:00

yep.

and here is a link to read that proves it all without me typing it out. feel free to comment

FreshFace77 · 2016-04-21T02:01:00+00:00

SMP: sure I'll take this analogy. This is like "the invisible hand of the free market". It's just a way of thinking about people meeting, having sex, and relationships. However, if you apply too much theory, then you will get divorced from reality in ways that can give you bad strategy, similar to if you actually assume all people in the economic market are perfectly rational actors with perfect (or even symmetric) information. It's good for a thought experiment, but when you consider that most people have a layer of morality and a slew of bad information that make almost all decisions inefficient and irrational, you realize that a lot of RP core ideas do not actually apply to the real SMP.

AF/BB: No. It's just too dichotomous. People are a lot more nuanced than this, and even TRP acknowledges alpha bucks.

hypergamy: kind of. It would be dumb and reckless to not believe in gold diggers. I've met many women like this. On the other end, it's stupid to think that if a high value man comes around, your woman has no choice but to branch swing. I actually find that it's a lot like the job market: there might be better jobs out there with more pay but people don't change jobs as often as they actually should for their career. Also, as long as you are providing some value to the woman you are with, then they won't want to take a risk on an unknown "high value" guy. The problem is that RP men are/were providing no value and negating attraction and thinking their women should just keep loving them regardless of there being no benefit to the partnership.

TheChemist158 · 2016-04-20T22:29:30+00:00

I think that there is some kernel of truth in these things, but they don't exist as TRP portrays them. For example, women go after different kinds of men as they age. It's just about maturing and growing up, just how people might have different kinds of friends or eating habits. People change, mature, learn what works and what doesn't. But women don't sleep around with muscular aloof assholes until 30, at which point they find an unwitting beta to marry when they realize they can't do better. That doesn't happen in any real numbers. Hypergamy is a similar story. Culturally speaking, men tend to be more permissive about lower aiming women than vice verse, so there's a bias against marrying less educated or lower earning men than isn't as strong in reverse. It's not that women are biologically programmed to dislike such men. A hefty portion, probably most even, of men want a similarly educated/financially well off woman. Homogamy is the norm. You get the idea.

honeypuppy · 2016-04-21T00:28:01+00:00

They exist to some degree, but are vastly exaggerated, generalised and oversimplified by RPers.

mc0079 · 2016-04-21T01:02:35+00:00

No, the landscape of human behavior is vast, I just don't want to paint it with one brush.

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[deleted] · 2016-04-21T15:21:52+00:00

SMP - No, it's just a word you've created, it sounds out of touch and slightly autismal but sure you can have that one.

AF/BB - Does not match my experience one bit

Hypergamy - Made up bullshit given that most relationships are clearly 1-to-1

LoreSoong · 2016-04-22T14:19:28+00:00

As a bluepill woman, I do. Why for heaven's sake should I date a guy with whom I know he's fucking other women? Second, I have the priviledge and luck to be born in a family where I know that I don't have to rely on anybody financially, so I don't care if a man makes six figures a year or not. Then, as I never belonged to any peer groups and never wanted to be in one, hypergamy is a non-issue for me. I like to have thoughts of my own, not let other people dictate what I think or have to think. Next problem, I prefer smart men over muscular men. So no matter how much you lift, if you don't train your brain stay out of my bed. Same goes for casual sex, it's a no-go. Sure, since I don't currently have a boyfried and still am human, I get horny from time to time, but being so desperate to fuck any men just to have sex? Nope, first I would feel like a whore if I would do this and second, sex without emotion (especially love) just isn't statisfying for me.

So, I don't need an alpha in my life who tells me that I can never evolve past my teenage stage emotionally, who makes all decisions for me and who openly admits that I'm a lesser human being because I'm a women, but neither do I need your kind of "beta man" who pays my bills, because I have enough money to do so alone. On top of that, I despise group thinking and peer group mentality, including people who act that way, both women and men. If you follow a group, make your own reasons why you do and don't repeat the same phrases over and over again. So, what does that make me?

ozymandias271 · 2016-04-21T13:21:51+00:00

SMP: I don't think econ 101 is particularly useful applied to the dating market, if that's what you're asking, and I don't think that people have a well-defined rating on the 1-10 scale. (For instance, I'm probably a 5 tops if you polled everyone, but I am much more capable of getting relationships with people I find absurdly attractive than many 7s or 8s.)

AF/BB: In my experience (and I'm poly, so I've gotten to observe a lot of people simultaneously interacting with spouses and fuckbuddies), people usually like their casual sex partners less than people they marry. Like, way less. Absurdly less. You can tell.

Hypergamy: In the sense that women want the most desirable man they can get, yes. In the sense that this is somehow a female-only dating pattern, no. In the sense that women are only attracted to men who are better than them, no.

Title	Q4BP: do bluepillers outright reject the notion of an SMP, AF/BB, and hypergamy?
Author	darkmoon09
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Date	April 20, 2016 9:52 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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