How would TRP Explain these Views in a Woman?

StingrayVC · 2015-12-22T00:47:31+00:00

Why do you say "weak and submissive" as if you they have to go together?

Why do you think that surrendering to a man will then lead to him making idiotic decision after idiotic decision?

Iwanttoliveinspace · 2015-12-22T00:57:04+00:00

You've posted this to get confirmation from Red Pill people that you are, indeed, dominant and not "weak and submissive".

You then assert, in the last paragraph, that should someone disagree with your views, you are better than they are.

So, how would Red Pill explain these views in a woman?

Easy;

You are likely someone that is not very successful in getting the man that you want (rich/successful/attractive/whatever), and are saying that, should such a man turn you down for being so overtly aggressive, then they didn't meet your standards because they said they didn't like you and wanted to go elsewhere.

Complete circular logic in the hope of sustaining your self-importance that you asserted in the rest of the paragraphs.

I'm not entirely sure what you want guys here to say in response?

disposable_pants · 2015-12-22T01:24:01+00:00

I'd say you don't have a good understanding of what TRP means when it uses the words "submissive," "cock carousel," and "dread game."

Submissive: You interpret this as "surrender[ing] complete control." TRP interprets it as a Captain/First Mate dynamic. You don't choose a Captain you don't trust, and a good Captain (i.e. the type of Captain you'd trust) isn't going to make decisions unilaterally and solely out of his own self-interest. Most decisions are collaborative; he's just the leader. TRP doesn't expect women to "put [themselves] at another person's mercy."
Cock Carousel: You interpret this as "getting so drunk [you] pass out" and having all sorts of wild, reckless sexual experiences. TRP would say that the vast majority of women aren't doing this, but that the vast majority of women are racking up partners by having a constant stream of short-term relationships (some overlapping) with an occasional one-night stand. Think of a woman who has a new short-term partner about every semester in college, hooks up with someone from home over the summer, and maybe throws in one drunk hookup a year just for fun. That's 4 partners per year, or 16 during college. Just three years out of college and she's at almost 30 partners (assuming she went to college a virgin). She hasn't lived with wild abandon or gone out partying every single night, but she's still slept with a few dozen people. That's not uncommon.
Dread game: You interpret dread game as a guy just blatantly, coldly telling you "he could always look elsewhere." TRP says dread game is about being attractive enough that it's clear that you have options; show, don't tell. The only time TRP suggests overtly saying this is when you're staring down the barrel of a divorce.

In short, your interpretation of TRP is the blue pill party line, not what TRP actually believes.

Archwinger · 2015-12-22T05:20:13+00:00

If you can't trust a particular man not to fuck everything up, you probably shouldn't submit to that man's leadership.

But move on. Don't try to have some kind of relationship anyway, where you're constantly questioning, undermining, doubting, and challenging some man you don't respect and believe will screw everything up. Find a man you actually trust.

Xemnas81 · 2015-12-22T01:23:38+00:00

Desperate to believe in the blank slate and have an 'equalist' relationship as a result.

http://therationalmale.com/2012/11/06/people-are-people/

Possible determined to prove oneself more confident in one's identity than one feels, and implicit self-selection, i.e. 'not like other girls'

http://therationalmale.com/2013/03/14/hyenas/

The flip side of male beta identification

http://therationalmale.com/2011/09/02/beta-game/

TempestTcup · 2015-12-22T00:54:13+00:00

I read "afraid of life" in everything you write. There are no guarantees in this world, so you just have to do your best, make the best decisions you can, and live your life! You can try to hedge every pitfall possible and still lose everything to a natural disaster, a stock market collapse, a bank failure, a fire, a bad car wreck that renders you paralyzed from the ears down, etc.

The best laid schemes of mice and men...

Gnometard · 2015-12-22T01:34:59+00:00

I like some of what you say, you seem pretty rational and logic driven. Unfortunately, you're still victim to the emotional response of things.

Try not giving a fuck about how guys talk and discuss flirting online, women will NEVER be comfortable with guy talk, and working on you.

grendalor · 2015-12-22T02:03:39+00:00

Every system, including the governmental one of checks and balances, has an ultimate decider. If you are thinking of the US system of constitutional checks and balances, that ultimate decider is the Supreme Court. The buck always has to stop somewhere, and someone always has the power. In a two person relationship, of course there are not three branches as in the US system. So someone, ultimately, will rule, at least most of the time, even if that rule is by default/consent.

Virtually all of the "equalist" arrangements I have seen have been wife dominated, de facto, because the men just don't want to get into prolonged negotiations and debates and just let the woman get her way -- men more intensely dislike marital disagreements than women do, and so women win most of the time, when you are not dealing with a stereotypical "pushy/domineering/controlling" guy. So, de facto, most of these are female-led relationships. This makes sense, because someone always has the power.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-12-22T02:58:12+00:00

Seems like you have been raised with the classic feminist brainwashing that femininity is weakness, men and women are essentially the same, and that you must value independence^TM above all else.

Humans do not work this way, we are social animals and are thus always dependent on one another for something. Otherwise you would live in the woods somewhere alone. Do you have a boss? Guess what, this means you are dependent on someone to get paid, and its likely a man. OH NOOOOO!

the only difference is your disdain for promiscuity, which likely comes from a more traditional (possibly religious) background combined with a logical and accurate assessment of risk. This suggests that you are one of those "smart girls" that ends up with cats.

On top of this, you have a mild superiority complex because you see yourself as better than the women who engage in such behavior, when actually you wish you could just throw caution to the wind and be a free love hippie.

arewar · 2015-12-22T14:47:09+00:00

This is pretty unrelated to the RP but it's the basis of your entire post so I have to address it. (disclaimer - I'm probably more BP myself.)

I'm a fairly submissive woman in my relationship. It's my basic nature and I'm fine with it. My husband handles our finances, vacation planning, house maintenance, etc. I'm perfectly happy with all that.

But I'm not fucking stupid. And I really feel like your post misses this idea entirely.

I am a part of all decisions - at bare bones minimum being aware of them. I have access to our bank accounts and credit cards. My name is on the mortgage. My husband keeps me informed of the plan regardless of the subject.

Every time a situation occurs, I have the opportunity to slam on the brakes. I choose to continue being submissive, because I watch my husband make smart decisions in our best interest.

If my husband came home tonight and said 'I'm going to take our savings account and burn it all in poker.' then that would be the end of my submissiveness. I'd get on our account online, move the savings in a private account and then deal with my husband's apparent snap of reality.

Being a dominant partner requires the faith of the submissive, and the continued submission of that person.

Being submissive does not mean being dependent or uninformed or blind.

MorpheusGodOfDreams · 2015-12-22T01:06:45+00:00

Lol, this sounds like a test. Personally, I like to just dominate a woman when it comes to sex or flirting. All of the women I've been with like that feeling, even the bossy ones.

Op makes it sound like I, as a terper, boss around people about things I know close to nothing about. Like I disregard a doctors advice to lose weight because the doctor is a woman, lol. That's just senseless.

PoopInMyBottom · 2015-12-22T15:19:18+00:00

I read through the replies to this post and I think you're getting a very one-sided response. This is my opinion.

I think you are very intelligent for not wanting to submit on extremely important life choices. It would be idiotic to do that, regardless of what men want.

With that out of the way, I'll tell you my perspective. I'm a man, and I'm 24.

I would like a partner who has her own thoughts, who isn't afraid to verbalise those thoughts, and isn't afraid to question them either. I want my partner to be capable and independent. I do not want them to capitulate to me simply because I'm their man. In fact, the idea of that is kind of scary to me. The idea of my partner quietly holding opinions which are different to mine instead of giving me a chance to talk through them seems like a disaster in the making. It also screams manipulation. I want a partner who doesn't hide her agency.

That doesn't mean I want a partner who argues constantly. Someone who constantly has to have their own way is not the same as somebody with a strong backbone. For example, stoicism is something that I find very attractive. Someone who is stoic has a strong character, but they're also likely to be fine with compromise. If I really want sushi on a particular night, and they kind of want pizza, someone who is stoic will probably be fine with getting sushi. They aren't going to demand pizza just so they can get their own way, and they also aren't submitting just for the sake of submitting.

An independent girl who is in control of her life and makes decisions proactively is very attractive to me. I like girls who are spunky. I want a partner who pushes me to question myself, and who I can push to be introspective too. I want somebody I can respect.

Let me give you a convoluted example. Let's say I'm flirting with a girl, and I give her a playful insult like, "your fingers are really short. They look like cocktail sausages." The submissive thing to do would be to go "tee hee" and smile at me like a little girl. I guess that's fine, but if she comes back with something like: "it's not the only thing that's short," you bet that's a better response. I want a girl who tests my wit, not one who laughs at everything I say. I want spunky. When I beat her in a battle of wits, I want to feel like I've earned it. That extends to all areas of life.

The thing is, they have to be intelligent. If they always come back with shitty comebacks, that's less attractive than if they said nothing. If a girl voices extremely naive opinions and isn't receptive to intelligent criticisms, that's not attractive. It's the same as a guy who makes jokes. Most girls want a guy who isn't afraid to be funny, but it's only attractive if he actually is funny. He needs to be able to back it up. If not, I guess it is better if he just keeps it to himself.

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RPmatrix · 2015-12-23T05:42:26+00:00

LOL where's the question? You've just stated your opinions!

talk about solopsism

questioningwoman · 2015-12-24T01:00:13+00:00

by telling you to get a sex change.

GASTON_TONNERRECOQ · 2015-12-22T09:00:22+00:00

You are irrationally afraid. Any woman, by definition, can get a man better than her: better able to deal with life's troubles, almost certainly stronger, smarter on average, gets oneitis (no hypergamy) for real commitment, will starve before you and his kids do. Your job is to pick the best you can get: to put it all on red 37. Don't worry, though. If you lose, and you're western, the government will care for you and yours. It's really like gambling with someone else's money at this point.

Title	How would TRP Explain these Views in a Woman?
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Date	December 22, 2015 12:39 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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