Do you believe that women have ruined society ?

alcockell · 2015-07-08T20:42:58+00:00

Of course not.

The biggest invention in the 20th century was the washing machine. Because it meant women didnt have to be at home all day washing clothes & freed them up to contribute to society. Society & technological progress skyrocketed from there because there were twice as many people contributing.

We're in danger of going too far the other way though. Quotas ensuring Women are filling 50% of all prominent position just because they're female. lowering the entry requiremnts for difficult jobs just so they can get in.

"We're swapping what works for what sounds good" as a famous guy once said

QQ_L2P · 2015-07-08T18:47:26+00:00

Nahh. Women are goofs but white knights are the real problem.

Tilting_Gambit · 2015-07-08T19:48:12+00:00

TRP doesn't believe women ruined society. TRP believes that women have used their own self interest to garner themselves more freedom, status and privilege than previous generations. Women tend to be against conservation because there's nothing positive for them to conserve, right? So they vote left. Women are more independent than ever. So they're more likely to leave loveless marriages, right? So there's more single mothers. Women aren't shunned for having sex and using birth control, right? So birth rates decline.

Why the fuck wouldn't a person take whatever he can get? If something unjust, he or she will fight to have that remedied. Women did exactly what they were supposed to do. They pursued their self interest and this hurt men, who couldn't just automatically get their way anymore.

In my opinion, TRP should just never talk about these kind of questions. It's what encourages a lot of anti-TRP theory. TRP should be focused on dissecting why women want what they want and how to get it. IF women were ruining society and IF there was something that could be done about it, TRP shouldn't be the forum for that discussion to take place. In my opinion.

TheJollySatan · 2015-07-08T18:58:47+00:00

No, women are not the core cause of society being ruined. The real reason society is being ruined is the changing perceptions of freedom, and more specifically how freedom is a universal human right, which often leads to chaos. Any or all female behavior that is considered destructive by TRP, such as abortions, left wing politics, feminism, being a slut, hypergamy, all of that is all caused by the pursuit of ultimate personal freedoms.

There are bigger examples than just with females where freedom comes into play. Say you have a multinational retail corporation and retail cashiers. The multinational retail corporation says that minimum wage laws impose on their freedom to run their business in the best possible way. At the same time, retail cashiers working for the corporation say they need minimum wage laws to ensure they have enough income to pursue freedom in their personal lives.

Conflict of freedoms is the main cause of nearly every problem in society. Women are just a zombie to it.

max_peenor · 2015-07-08T21:38:16+00:00

1)Women vote for the left wing parties. The left wing parties destroy society . Therefore , women are to blame.

I expect most women to vote in their own self-interest. I don't blame them for that at all.

For the record, mob democracy is idiotic. it's just people voting themselves ever more shit without any way to sustain it. The founders of the US knew this, which is why we started as a multi-layered representative republic. I DON'T think individuals should be able to vote for stuff, nor do I think they should directly elect any central government officials other than the House of Representatives. We have kneecapped dozens of checks and balances over the last hundred years just so some shithead can become President based on unsustainable promises and a popularity context.

2)Women become single mothers and thus ruin their children and it is 100% their fault because they could have chosen to abort

I do not blame any woman that chooses not to abort. I do blame women that get knocked up through promiscuous behavior. That rarely ends well.

3) Women are to blame for the declining birth rates because they abort and use birth control . The declining birth rates will lead to the Muslims taking over the western world and we can blame women for that .

I'm pretty sure men have been all over that "you mean we can fuck and I don't have to pay for your kids" bit for a long while now... myself included.

4)Society is feminized and women are to blame for that .

No. Men have no one to blame themselves. It's classic imperial hubris. Men just didn't want to have to fight it any more--give in and live the easier life. Welp, boys, you got just what you deserved.

Enjoy the decline.

stats135 · 2015-07-08T19:15:56+00:00

Yes. A society is, by definition of the word, a group of people living together in a ORDERED community. So anything or anyone that aims to destroy law and order, is by definition ruining society. That is what women and the left wing parties are doing, and doing so apologetically. They want to change laws, change social norm and traditions, and change the general structure and order of the world. In the most benign case, they want change for the sake of change. In other cases, they want to benefit off the process of forcing others into adapting to these changes.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-07-08T19:27:22+00:00

Not women per se, but realigning a country based in patristic, classical liberal values to matristic collectivist values coinciding with the sexual emancipation of and disinhibition of women

Also, not "society" because there is no such thing, the US constitutional republic

WadeCannon · 2015-07-08T18:57:33+00:00

Imagine a mother and father that do not discipline their child. The child is given everything he wants without much question. The child is never held accountable for his actions.

One day the parents find that their son has emptied their bank accounts and investment portfolio and wasted all the money on drugs, parties, and frivolous purchases.

Did the child ruin the parents or did the parents ruin the child?

Nazrath2112 · 2015-07-08T22:27:47+00:00

I would agree with number 4 but not the rest.

nemma88 · 2015-07-08T19:11:09+00:00

No.

The left wing parties destroy society .

Who says this? How have they? Are people not clothed? Can they not eat? What is society if not a method of contribution to other humans to bring them together and build something better? As far as I'm concerned society has come on leaps and bounds and continues to do so. We continue to advance.

Women become single mothers and thus ruin their children and it is 100%

This one makes me angry. I know 2 people who grew up without fathers. Two of which went AWOL and left his family, their mothers worked damn hard to keep their kids clothed and a roof over them, one worked two jobs to keep the house.

While women choosing to become single mothers does happen, I would be willing to bet during the pregnancy a large majority of couples both want the child, until at some point they don't want each other, and by that time it's impossible to abort (legally and non murderously).

Women are to blame for the declining birth rates because they abort and use birth control

... Doesn't TRP pass on resources on how to persuade women to abort? I can't take that seriously.

4)Society is feminized and women are to blame for that.

I don't know how society has been ruined yet.

cats_or_get_out · 2015-07-09T02:00:07+00:00

Is society ruined? Really? What/where/when was this glorious society?

It has been fairly shitty for women and men alike throughout history.

nomdplume · 2015-07-09T07:05:30+00:00

I'm interested in TRP for the discussion of sexual dynamics and how to beat deal with them. I am interested in maximizing my personal ability to procure sex/love/relationships.

Questions regarding sociopolitical issues I will leave to the MRAs, and proselytizing about what other people should or should not be doing annoys me.

FleetingWish · 2015-07-08T19:16:43+00:00

Not by themselves no. The things you listed are things that women can do, only because men have let them. Really if men could band together and all agree, they could reverse all this just by changing their minds.

drok007 · 2015-07-08T19:20:35+00:00

No, it's just part of the cycle, things are becoming more feminine now, and everyone is to blame for that if you view it negatively, but it will swing the other way when necessary, (eventually).

Reginleifer · 2015-07-08T19:13:13+00:00

As basketball American as it sounds..... I blame the white man.

Feminism was a dick move. Forget slavery and empire, the true crime against humanity was Femen.

We demand reparations.

abacuz4 · 2015-07-08T19:13:43+00:00

The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise, am I right?

Society isn't being ruined. In many (most?) ways, it's better than it has ever been.

Whisper · 2015-07-09T01:08:22+00:00

That's like asking whether puppies are too blame for ruining the carpet.

Puppies pee on the carpet. That's what they do. If you want different behaviour, you have to train them to do something different.

Chasethehorror · 2015-07-08T19:18:52+00:00

1) Men also vote for left-wing parties?

2) Abortion isn't readily accessible everywhere so it isn't always an option for a woman? And single mothers don't ruin children either.

3) How high of a level of paranoia do you need to actually believe this? And wouldn't this be a good thing for everyone who hates women anyway? Put women back in their traditional places?

4) Wtf does this even mean?

No, women aren't ruining society. Society is evolving. Can people at least try to think up some good reasons before even trying to argue that women are ruining society lol

thereddespair · 2015-07-08T21:27:51+00:00

Men being supposedly the "leaders" of society, as they proclaim and all that shit - it is their responsibility then isnt it?

You lay claim on the throne, then you blame others for what happens to the world? Whatever state the world is in, or your own areas, blame the men you lead do you not?

You say women do this do that, where were the men then to restrain stop and educate or whatever? Wheres the leadership and sense of direction. You say you are so good and logical, and yet, all that falls short and men cannot do anything?

lololol. If we are to accept blame that women have, I will have to accept then that men are FAILURES in their own right. and you men are not really as good and better as you think you are. Or accept that you do lead, and its your fault.

eitherway, you cant hide behind a womans skirt about the state of things lol.

even on the idea that the faggoty men have run amok and laid waste to social values, you didnt stop your fellow men? those who could? you just watched.

[deleted] · 2015-07-09T05:35:42+00:00

Women did not ruin society because women never did anything. The whole feminism movement pinnacled with one small sized brawl in front of the White House. No one even died. There were more self-immolations for freedom of Tibet than there were victims of the fight for freedom of women in America.

Feminism is a movement for women, but it was never done by women. It was men(specifically, liberals) who gave women equal rights, ruining the traditional relationship dynamic and offering no alternative.

exit_sandman · 2015-07-09T09:04:20+00:00

I think the decline of society is due to progressive leftism - they are promoting questionable policies and want to dismantle traditional arrangements that are offensive to their notions of justice (but have proven to make a society sustainable) and want to replace them with arrangements that are unsustainable. The new social contract brought into being by the progressive left has for all intents and purposes aimed at releasing women from their responsibilities (and in many cases have actually succeeded in doing so), and women reacted to that like you can expect people to react under these circumstances.

Regarding the vote - women are more likely to vote left because they can be lured with the "we're in it for you"-narrative which is pretty attractive for people in general, but under proper circumstances they can also be more likely to vote conservative (examples: after WW2, IIRC 60% of the conservative electorate in Germany was female; and they've also been more willing to vote our female head of government into office back in 2005 - dunno if that's still the case now, though).

alcockell · 2015-07-09T13:09:05+00:00

Quite a prescient article - http://conservativewoman.co.uk/belinda-brown-a-century-of-feminism-has-failed-us-women-have-betrayed-mens-trust/

[deleted] · 2015-07-09T17:07:51+00:00

No, I don't encounter any of this nonsense in real life.

jdgalt · 2015-07-10T03:55:28+00:00

The left wing parties (and their core idea of "social justice", with its implication that only the feelings of "protected groups" count) have certainly ruined the political apparatus of most western countries, to the point where most voters won't even listen to the truth. But I believe those same governments are destroying the economies that enable them to go on existing, so in another generation the pendulum will swing back the other way -- if we're not all being forced to pray toward Mecca or Beijing by that time.

Women getting the vote helped this happen, but it would likely have happened even without them.

(But I don't accept TG's notion that voting your self-interest isn't wrong. The proper purpose of the vote is to make the system fair, not to grab whatever is grabbable.)

Meanwhile, all we can do is (1) to stay as informed and prepared as we can be, and (2) party and enjoy ourselves while Rome burns, because there isn't jack we can do about it.

tomatostew · 2015-07-08T19:33:46+00:00

If anything, women gaining more power and doing more in the world has improved society. More minds/ more people working for a better tomorrow= higher chance at a better tomorrow

DaThrowaway808 · 2015-07-08T18:46:55+00:00

Do you agree with this sentiment ?

Yup

Have women ruined society ?

Destroying it as we speak.

If we accept that , then should we remove the vote from women in order for them to not continue ruining society ?

Thank goodness someone finally understands. YES, HELL YES.

wazzup987 · 2015-07-08T19:47:25+00:00

2)Women become single mothers and thus ruin their children and it is 100% their fault because they could have chosen to abort .

just this one, it is morally bankrupt to bring a child in to this world that you can't support. Women have access to abortion, 21 forms of BC, morning after pills and can even use safe haven or adoptions laws to get rid of the bastard.

3 solutions are LPS(which includes paternity testing cluases for new fathers) coupled with a fixing of child support and child vistation laws and in gernal fixing of family court to not favor women becuase vagina, and male birth control (vasagel), free birth control for everyone and a broadening of abortion to force states which are limiting to have to quit it with there anti freedom bullshit

AureliusThunderkok · 2015-07-08T20:00:17+00:00

No. There are just as many*men ruining society and women suffering for it. For every "found out my SO is riding the CC, AWALT" story there is one of these: https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VBwgzefa_0g https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=VBwgzefa_0g TRP are equally as wrong (when they blame women for all their problems) as the feminists (when they blame men for all their problems). TRP is correct when it says that women she not be placed on a pedestal but it is equally wrong to suggest debasing them is the solution. There is more truth in the middle ground of gender wars than is represented at the extremes. (note: there is diversity within TRP and not all of us are misogynists)

*more actually if we include sociopathic 'leaders' in government and business roles worldwide. For instance, ISIS is almost pure male fuckery.

norstar1 · 2015-07-09T10:21:03+00:00

There are aspects of society that are being ruined by modern women, but I won't pretend that they're responsible for the largest problems at hand (military-industrial complex, corrupt corporations, lobbying, environmental issues, etc.)

Also what the fuck is up with your point #3? It comes across as incredibly bigoted, not to mention you sound like a coward who views the spread of a religion as an inherently bad thing.

Title	Do you believe that women have ruined society ?
Author	HappilySingleWoman
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Date	July 8, 2015 6:40 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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