Why is it inferior?

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2014-10-19T10:47:32+00:00

I don't see TRP inferior so much as I see it to be an insane response to basic stressors that most people will probably experience in their life. A lot of red pillers were self-proclaimed "nice guys" before they did turn to TRP. Their definition of "beta" lines up with the "nice guy" definition quite often actually. Anyway, TRP takes the extreme of the nice guy, and tries to do the exact opposite of the "nice guy" stereotype. The reality is that everyone is going to fail with the opposite sex, but the key is not to get so discouraged, or to think that you somehow deserve to be with someone just by virtue of being who you are (that is a "nice guy" problem). Of course one should strive to be the best version of themselves as is possible, but nobody is entitled to be in a relationship either.

Ultimately, TRP, to me, is just the other side of the coin of "nice guys", and is an extreme reaction to a basic issue that everyone will face. That is why I could never take it seriously.

Aughin · 2014-10-19T16:13:25+00:00

BP is inferior because it doesn't recognize sexual market value and game as valid ideas and hence gives no guidance as to what you need to do and be to be successful in the dating game

BP isn't really a theory though. BP is a lack of any kind of theory. It's just wandering in a random direction with fog in your eyes and your brain switched off. And that's what makes it inferior in my opinion.

polyhooly · 2014-10-19T13:01:40+00:00

Your first mistake is assuming TRP, as well as TBP, are coherent theories.

TRP's "theory" is anything that paints women as villains. For example one minute they will largely endorse women being stay at home moms/homemakers, and the next minute deride those women as lazy leeches. TRP is a hate group. I used to be really interested in racial surpremacists groups, particularly white nationalists and the Nation of Islam (black surpremacist group). Their "theories" about the world, about the groups they most hate (whites in the case of black surpremacists, blacks for white surpremacists, Jews for both), is almost word for word what TRP says about women: They're morally and intellectually inferior. They're liars and cheaters who unfairly glide through life by exploiting our in-group. Its quintessential hate group rhetoric.

TBP specifically is a parody/discussion subreddit that opposes the misogyny on TRP. TRP defines "blue pill" as anything that doesn't (currently) line up with their world views.

little-animal · 2014-10-19T17:45:09+00:00

The red pill is just a bunch of people pretending to know psychology without studying it, are purely motivated by a shallow desire for sex and sex alone, and are willing to make shit up to support themselves.

So I view them as incomplete human beings. Incomplete in the sense that a child hasn't yet developed into an adult.

I'd like someone to convince me that they aren't just incapable of foresight or broader understanding, but I've yet to our encounter anything to change my mind.

babyguineapig · 2014-10-19T10:07:49+00:00

Misguided rather than inferior. Kind of like people who don't believe in climate change or herd immunity.

garybuseysawakening · 2014-10-19T18:58:24+00:00

I find BPers hilarious because of their dismissal of evolutionary psychology, something that has more controls and higher metrics of evidence than any other humanity to the point that their research is often the basis for actual scientific study.

I find TRPers to be often concerned with a manufactured masculinity that is based on the aberration known as machismo; this is of course what BPers try and claim is 'toxic masculinity' and then claim it is the basis for masculinity in general, especially how it is apparently nothing more than a rejection of the feminine.

M_rafay · 2014-10-19T12:11:02+00:00

BP is not a theory. And by the RP-BP analogy, BP would literally be the state of rejecting reality.

Boom lawyer'd.

duckducklandwhale · 2014-10-20T00:55:03+00:00

Answer for both: Because our goals are different as are are accepted methods of acquisition of them. TBP apparently are just a "joke" and have nothing to bring to the table (except when they reach a point they cant contend strongly, then subsume some RP but try to allay it as something different or gaslight us into thinking they've always agreed with that part of RP) and thusly they are actually a joke.

alfabux · 2014-10-20T12:27:29+00:00

If you go to TBP you see that the majority of posts we object to do not relate closely to RP theory. So if just random shit-flinging at women which does not even relate to sexual strategy could be reduced, that would be something.

Then for actual RP theory, I think much of RP is valid for a certain subgroup of people, my issue is with generalizing it too much. I think if it could be better defined who is these people, it could become OK.

I think that RP men tend to be high-T, given their very high sex drive, desire to dominate and objectify, and competitive behavior. Perhaps the women they target and where it works, can also be described as low-T or high-E.

If these groups could be narrowed down and the whole thing not sold as something for everybody, it could be OK.

redpillbanana · 2014-10-20T17:38:27+00:00

Men go RP not because it appeals to them or because it's the way they want the world to work.

They go RP because they notice that it matches up with the reality that they've observed.

They go RP because they are rewarded with success both inside and outside the sexual arena.

Most men in the West are raised BP, and many are consequently not very successful with women or in life. A common refrain in TRP is, "When I look back on my BP ways, I cringe..." This is when they finally recognize BP principles as very bad advice.

Examples:

Just be yourself!
There's someone out there for everyone.
Women love guys who treat them like princesses.
If you don't succeed with her at first, try, try again. Women love persistence.
Don't try to kiss her on the first date, that's disrespectful, what kind of girl do you think she is?
Don't invite her to your place right away, that's disrespectful, what kind of girl do you think she is?
Don't talk about anything sexual, that's disrespectful, what kind of girl do you think she is?
Be her friend before you try to be her boyfriend.
If you wait long enough and jump through enough of her hoops, she will eventually grow to love you.
Arrogance and aggressiveness is unattractive.
Women don't like guys with too many muscles, it's intimidating.
Women want sex just as much as men.
Don't judge a woman by her past behavior.
Don't judge a woman, period.
Only creepy men and pedophiles date women who are much younger.
Once you get married, everything will get better.
Women don't cheat as often as men.
Make her feel comfortable by telling her that you'll never leave her.

TheThingsIThink · 2014-10-20T05:10:50+00:00

Blue pill is the way we want the world to be. Red pill is what you gotta do to get through the world.

InformalCriticism · 2014-10-20T09:18:44+00:00

My interactions with BPers give me the impression that they tend to ignore pragmatic approaches, and their own approaches denote ignorance, often willful ignorance of certain core tenets of attraction.

Other than that, I'm sure they're not inferior people, just content in their ways.

Title	Why is it inferior?
Author	Aughin
Upvotes	4
Comments	69
Date	October 19, 2014 10:03 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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