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There is a certain subreddit that discusses female dating strategy. You need to be aware of this. This subreddit portrays itself as a self interested dating strategy site for "high value women". In reality it's a Machiavellian subreddit populated with hateful, delusional women trying to go all dark triad. Here's what you need to know.
This subreddit encourages women to:
--withhold sex until a man commits and while getting a man to commit, to have sex with men they don't want commitment from, and lie to men about it
--insist that a man pay for everything while dating him
--refuse to date men who offer to "go Dutch"
--cheat on husbands and boyfriends
--ride the cock carousel
--overtly lie about how many men they've had sex with
--marry men for provisioning ability and money, rather than for affection, common interest, or sexual attraction
--use fraud, deceit and subterfuge to extract provisioning from men while dating them
--assert maximum power over their interactions with men by any means necessary for the express purpose of using, exploiting, and taking advantage of the men they date/have relationships with
--demand that any man interested in them demonstrate all the interest, take all the risk and initiative, do all the pursuing, and do all the work on the relationship
Supposedly, this is all for the purpose of showing that these women are "high value" and to extract commitment from high value men.
The strategies usually don't work to get the men they say they want. This is straight from the 1990s book The Rules by Sherri Schneider and Ellen Fein. Most attractive high value men will not put up with this kind of behavior from women. These are strategies tailor made to snag unattractive men, because they tolerate this behavior.
The attractive men they say they want (players, pick up artists, high N men, high earning men) won't commit to these kinds of women. They will have sex with other women while "dating" these women. Then if they get sex from these alleged "high value" women, they'll move on afterwards, or perhaps after a few weeks or months. These women get nothing other than fleeting short term relationships with such men, because once those men get what they want, they move on, especially after the lying, cheating, and manipulation take their toll.
The strategies ultimately destroy the relationships they do get. These strategies also snag unsuspecting good men, including some attractive men. But in the end, the lying, cheating, manipulation and dysfunction always cripple and kill the relationship. These strategies lead to resentment, dead bedrooms, and divorce rape.
Their high value is sexual only, which doesn't get them what they claim to want. Lying, cheating, and using and exploiting men are not behaviors of high relationship value women. It's common for high sexual market value women to act like this. It's common for sexually promiscuous women to act like this. It's common for dysfunctional women with mental illnesses or personality disorders to act like this. It's common for sociopathic women to act like this.
Women who follow this strategy will bounce around from relationship to relationship because the men they're attracted to won't put up with it, and the men who will put up with it can't keep their interest long enough. When an unattractive man she's exploiting is finally bled dry, she'll discard him like a used tissue and move on to the next one. Don't be that man.
Women know how to behave well with men they want. They also know when they're not behaving in manners conducive to good relationships. Women know how to be bitches and how not to be bitches. So when a woman is being a bitch to you, most of the time she knows it and is doing so intentionally, or knows it and just doesn't care.
A high relationship value woman is honest, faithful, loyal, attentive, a clear communicator, reliable, giving, compassionate, practices good physical and mental self-care, does what she says she'll do, and does what her man asks of her. It is true that all women have it in them not to be these things. But a high relationship value woman at least tries to do these things.
They expressly rely on deceit and manipulation to achieve their objectives. Women who employ this kind of strategy are clear: They will manipulate, use, exploit, and take advantage of you. They will lie to you. They will manipulate you with sex. They will feign attraction to lure and fraud unsuspecting men into marriage, then cheat on you and divorce rape you. Even before they get you into marriage, they'll date you for months on end while they have sex with other men. They'll use you for your money. They'll use your time and attention. And you'll get nothing in return.
Guys, reviewing this material and thought process is helpful to understand what women are doing and what they want to do. It's being laid out there in black and white for you to see. They're telling you clearly what their plans are for you.
To highlight how bad things are, here is what one of their moderators has to say:
The “average chump” is most men. Hilarious that men like to deceive themselves that they’re better than that, but at the end of the day, most of you are the same. Some suggestions at sex and a little attention, makes you stupid and women will continue to capitalize on that. The guy we oogle in magazines is the very small minority of men, and is the one that we cheat on our boyfriends and husbands with when we’re bored, and because dick is so cheap.
Next:
So yes, continue to delay sex with the one you actually want a relationship with and if you’re really horny, find some hot but unsuitable for relationship guy to fuck on the side to bide your time. It’s the only thing that works to get you to what you want from men, maximize benefit and stay one step ahead.
We’ve realized that when it comes to men, unless you show them that you can be just as toxic and just as shitty as they are, they never take you seriously and will walk all over you. If all women were aware of men’s manipulation tactics and not only had ways to spot and counter them, but also have tactics of their own, this dating market would be so much better for women. And that’s our goal.
Then:
we will continue to manipulate men as we see fit.
Indeed. As we've all seen.
Men calling us pieces of trash does nothing. It’s lost it’s sting and significance because we’ve now realized that men will shame women for literarily anything, esp if it does not fit their own selfish imperatives. As long as the women here are getting what they want, maximizing their benefits, even at the expense of men, then I’m good.
Next:
I’ll still continue to use the men I don’t want for money while fucking the ones I want, because men are incredibly stupid, easy to manipulate and dick is ridiculously cheap.
Going on:
I love being “equally bad”. Because that’s what men deserve. And until women use more men and discard them like the trash they are, you idiots will never learn.
Next:
Women have a lot more value than men and are the ones that choose who to have sex with and be in a relationship with. Men’s only value is money and if anyone should be submitting, its the man.
Pay close attention to that one up there. That's what they really think.
[what's being described here is the woman making the man stop during sex, just before ejaculation, for the purpose of "training him" and sexual dominance.] You ladies make me so proud. Love this. Done it a few times and the results were similar to what you described. My guy whined and bitched for a while, eventually did what I wanted him to do and then got rewarded with sex after he was done. Worked like a charm.
Sadistic.
No past hurt here, but knowing the fact that men are only useful for money has actually really improved my dating life and helped me find better men.
Then look at this clear description below of how to manipulate men into relationships. This happens all the time. Don't let it happen to you:
My advice is that if you see a potential relationship with a particular guy, wait at least 6 weeks before having sex with him.
Use those 6 weeks to suss out his intentions towards you and build a good relational foundation before jumping into sex. It’s also a good way to weed out the guys that are just looking for sex. Feel free to talk about sex with him during those 6 weeks, flirt and [ed. lie] show that you’re sexually attracted to him [ed. feign attraction for the purpose of reining him in] and look forward to having sex with him when the “time is right”.
If you have a high libido and feel sexually frustrated, you can either invest in a good vibrator, or find some other guy that you’re attracted to but you know won’t be good relationship material, just to tide you over in the meantime. Ideally someone you’ve known before and can trust to be discrete, clean and is STI free.
Another bit of "strategy" dooming a couple to beta bux, dead bedroom, and divorce rape:
If he actually offered exclusivity, and you guys were confirmed bf/gf, but you were still dating other men on the side, then you have two options:
1.) Lie about seeing other men and paint it as a misunderstanding on his part
2.) Leave him or allow him to leave.
If you enjoy sleeping with the FWB and you know you won’t be able to hold off on sleeping with the “potential relationship” guy, if you weren’t at least getting your sexual needs met somewhere else, then keep both for now.
Because sleeping with the relationship guy too soon can ruin your chances with him. He does not need to know about the FWB guy. There is no benefit to being “upfront” with the truth about seeing other guys. If you’re having difficulty lying, then you need to ask yourself what’s more important to you. The guy you’re trying to get into a relationship with, or him potentially leaving because he’s insecure due to your honesty.
Guys, it's all right there. Read it and be edified, and know that what we have told you is the truth.
4) What they get right: Most men can be easily manipulated with sex. So, don't let a woman manipulate you with sex. You guide and steer the relationship. She can get out of the car anytime she wants, but you drive. You ALWAYS drive. And, women want men to love them. Men really don't want love from women. Men want their women to respect them. Men want their women to do what they ask them to do and to help do what needs done. Men want their women to go with them where they want to go. Men want their women to help them both get there.
This has been a public service announcement. Be well, my friends.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 Energy Misogynist111 points112 points113 points (40 children) | Copy Link
Marriage and Long Term Relationships are no longer in the cards between a man and a modern/contemporary woman. This post is another one that shows the abject depravity and dishonesty of women.
Remember AWALT. Always assume that you are 1 day / 1 hour / 1 minute away from her playing her hand and screwing you over. Even if you think that you have found a 'good woman'...
Protect yourself.
Protect your assets.
Protect your money.
Do not allow a woman an iota of control over your life and your actions. Do so at your own peril.
[–][deleted] 40 points41 points42 points (18 children) | Copy Link
MGTOW and never been happier! I wish I had made this choice alot sooner. The modern woman isnt worth a fart in the wind and the hoes over at that sub show it.
Modern men are starting to fall out of love with women. I see it all around me. We view them as the trash they are.
[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick16 points17 points18 points (12 children) | Copy Link
When you see the shit-show that is male/female relationships, you can either spend a load of time, money and effort trying to find a possible NAWALT and train her to be a good GF or you can save time by choosing the MGTOW route.
[–]RRFdevSr. Hamster Analyst17 points18 points19 points (1 child) | Copy Link
When you realize how cunning women are in fooling men to think that they are NAWALTs, it really becomes even more of a convincing choice for guys to just go the MGTOW route.
[–]Tenth_106 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately, yes.
[–]bansheeman0 points1 point2 points (9 children) | Copy Link
Or extract resources from these hard working “strong independent women”. Mgtow is for the unintelligent and ugly men that can’t get women to do what they want
[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick8 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Women believe that most men are below average.
[–]bansheeman1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women believe what you tell them to believe
[–]i_shill_Kruug7 points8 points9 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I'm very ugly. It's why I get tons of attention at work and the subway in NYC when I'm trying to mind my own business. I also happen to make 6 figures. I'm not rich, but not poor either.
MGTOW is the logical choice when AWALT. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
[–]bansheeman1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Lmao. He who speaks does not know. Keep making claims on the internet to strangers. It must be doing something
[–]i_shill_Kruug0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll repeat what I said. The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
[–]jrpark054 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, and the time, effort, and maybe money to "get women to do what they want" is completely worth it. Totally.
Not MGTOW, and definitely NOT unintelligent and ugly here, but the MGTOW point of view makes a lot more sense than what you've just stated. The best lays I had were when the women gave it away for free, and I wouldn't even consider lifting as much as a finger to the modern woman to "do what (I) want".
MGTOW works for the ugly, average, and handsome, and poor, average, and rich men.
[–]lala_xyyzOn naughty list0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that I think about it, it's true for me as well. Spending money dating should only be reserved for women that have already been screened heavily and have child-bearing prospects. If she has any red flags she's in the hoe category.
[–]bansheeman0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
To each their own. I'll continue building my harem
[–]basedmillennial953 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't have put it better myself. Even the women are starting to notice it.
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 10 points11 points12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No, you see, men falling out of love with women is also mens' fault. If men were REAL men, they'd be still doing all the things they used to do, and they'd put up with getting less and still giving more.
Weak men are screwing feminism up. REAL men make feminism WORK. And REAL men are supposed to be allowing women to be whatever women want to be, while men still fill all the traditional gender roles that benefit women, while giving up all roles that benefit men.
Women still want men to work, make more than women, be stronger and braver, be hawt, have six pack abs, keep working, never have career problems, never lose your job, never ever feel bad about anything, never ever get depressed or have any problems, and always take care of everything women don't want to take care of .
But they better never ever want sex (except when we want), try to run things (except when we want) or take authority over anything (except to take the blame when things go wrong). Men must never be allowed to "take ownership" over their families, because that's evil patriarchy and because men aren't allowed to "own" people. Men don't get sex except when we want, because men aren't entitled to sex. Men arent' entitled to ANYTHING from us, even when we marry them. Men are never ever entitled to anything from women; but women are entitled to EVERYTHING from men.
That's the mentality, you see. This article? The subtext here is
[–]basedmillennial952 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh don't misunderstand I read through the subtext, it's just the first article I've ever seen from a woman that acknowledges that men are leaving and not coming back. It's the first time I've seen a woman articulate that a tipping point is being reached where it is men abandoning women.
A fellow student of dalrock?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That article was a nice fun read while I sipped my coffee. I think Ill spend some money tonight on me rather than a date. :)
[–]kp984091 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Seriously cant stand opinion fluff pieces like this that doesnt give chance for comments. She really foeant ubderatand MGTOW at all. Sure she describes some MGTOW perfectly. But we dont all fit in that description she describes about MGTOW. Also she generalizes way too much. She does seem to be on the right track though.
Final thoughts on this; for me, too little too late.
[–]RealMcGonzoJr. Hamster Analyst38 points39 points40 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Any sort of LTR with a woman cute enough for one has but a few possible endings. There are a LOT of men, taller, richer, hotter, thinner, more confident, more muscular and with more game than you that want to fuck her. She's going to run across these men daily (hourly) and sooner or later, she's going to take them up on it. That's probably about 80% of women. Then about 80% of the rest will let themselves go, just give up. Get fat, turn into a slob, quit her job, start being unhappy about all of that and blaming you for it.
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 8 points9 points10 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I agree with the concept, but in reality it's more like about 40% will eventually cheat. Or at least cheat at some point during the relationship/marriage.
All women, and i mean every single solitary woman on the planet, will run across and be tempted by a better man or men than the one she has. That's 100%, without exception.
She will be attracted to some of those men. She will not only be attracted, she will feel that attraction, be consciously aware of that attraction, and will give it more than just fleeting attention. She will, more than once, go through one or more of the internal deliberation processes below, at some point. It might not take her more than a few seconds to do this thought process, but she WILL go through it and WILL experience it, while she's in a relationship with you.
Probably about 25% will go
Probably about 35% will go
Another 20% will go
Which leaves the last 20%, which go
[–]BioStu-1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey you never reopened my other thread like you said you would
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s because you didn’t do what I told you to do.
Any other issues, take it to modmail.
[–]EmervilaSpinning Dis On The Fritz29 points30 points31 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The antidote for the Pink Pill is a well-educated manospherean man
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla21 points22 points23 points (4 children) | Copy Link
The glass is already broken.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 Energy Misogynist12 points13 points14 points (3 children) | Copy Link
When it's gone it's gone.
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla12 points13 points14 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It ain't reversible, no matter what the hamster says.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 Energy Misogynist15 points16 points17 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Man that hamster talks a lot of shit. Mind boggling levels of fecal matter spews from its mouth.
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Such is nature.
[–]AgoristOwl13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Protect ya neck and diversify yo bonds.
[–]RRFdevSr. Hamster Analyst13 points14 points15 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Protect yourself.
Protect your assets.
Protect your money.
But to me, most importantly...
Do DNA testing on every childbirth. Because to me, while you can lose money, that's nothing compared to the pain of having the woman you love bearing a child that's not your own due to cheating behind your back and having irresponsible unprotected sex while at it.
[–]rombios5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
After watching Maury Povich' endless paternity shows and the cries of "YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER" often multiple times in front of the same woman, its amazing Paternity tests arent mandatory at birth
Some nations ban it without the mothers consent (France for example).
Fortunately you can swab the kid - submit it to an online lab (most of the collection kits can be bought at Wallgreens/Cvs/RiteAid or ONline) for peace of mind
[–]kyledontcareChristian Comeback Kid9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't spend money on women. Simple.
[–]Ashpern1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
not a bad rule. it's a tough one to follow though
[–]NobodyP15 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
What does AWALAT stand for
[–]BNSoul17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
AWALT = all women are like that
[–]MuleTheDonkey 1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh come on, your literally just mirroring the exact comments views. This is a literal case of one independant women on reddit you found.
[–]goodmansaysfuckyouBig 🍆 Energy Misogynist0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
How exactly is any part of my comment descriptive of one independent woman on reddit? The original post is not even about 1 individual woman on reddit.
What comments do you think are being mirrored?
Please, pray tell, enlighten me oh wise one.
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top81 points82 points83 points (36 children) | Copy Link
I have compiled a list of female dating strategy countermeasures:
[–]ace_kantrillo40 points41 points42 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Minor correction. Always best to assume this to be the case in the current year.
[–]RRFdevSr. Hamster Analyst22 points23 points24 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh, totally. Women always hedge their bets by dating and fucking several men at the same time. And as OP stated, they at least keep an FWB around to fuck in secret while pretending to be a celibate 'traditional' good girl to the men they want to marry.
[–]Ashpern0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I was having sex with a woman. When I said we should be boyfriend/girlfriend she said she didn't feel ok about that because I was only separated and not divorced. lmfao. can't make this shit up.
[–]TraksimussJr. Hamster Analyst0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
And that is why you keep sexing her and wait until she starts "where this relationship is going", and you decide then.
[–]magicmikefx31 points32 points33 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Always assume when you've just met a women that you are being interviewed as a possible monkey branch.
[–]five_eightJr. Hamster Analyst22 points23 points24 points (0 children) | Copy Link
jfc. I can not reveal at what point in my life I realized this---too embarrassing. Just glad I know it now, and that younger men know it also.
[–]Gemjab13 points14 points15 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It depends as long as the bro isn't a blue pilled. Simp I wholeheartedly agree.
[–]RRFdevSr. Hamster Analyst19 points20 points21 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I will append further, yourself before bros before hoes.
If you go black pill / real red pill, you will start hating a lot of guys as well for the simpletons and mediocre pussy worshippers they are.
[–]Gemjab10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Absolutely agreed.
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
In otherwords, the early manosphere prior to about 2014 and early TRP before about 2017.
Also add to this:
SELF IMPROVE. GET BETTER. Lift, lose weight, fix your defects, and walk away from bullshit. Deal with women on YOUR terms or not at all.
[–]rombios7 points8 points9 points (5 children) | Copy Link
>Keep in mind that she is not yours, it is just your turn
Cardinal rule
>Make it clear from the very start that you want to go dutch (50/50) on dinner dates
There should be NO dinner dates until you have smashed a few times IF EVER. I just invite over to my place to my place and cook dinner there together and watch a movie
>Keep in mind that consent can be retroactively withdrawn
Purchase and install surveillance cameras in your living room and bedroom. There are many spy-cam stores around and you can always buy online or on Ebay. Keep video encrypted and stored on your home system or NAS for at least 6 months after you two part company
[–]soundslikeutterbs5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Thai friends in Thailand have a fantastic cheap workaround.
They give their foreign or local hookups money, then drop them off to buy condoms in 7-11 / Family Mart prior to banging.
Ladies get filmed on CCTV buying rubber in a convenience store.
[–]rombios5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Good idea but I live in the United States. The #metoo b.s is so thick I wouldnt be surprised if a convenient store manager "accidentally" lost the film. And I personally dont like leaving things to chance especially when my freedom could be at stake.
Discretion in what you provide to a Jury is key. They need not see the entire act. Videos of her entering your place and leaving on her own free will should suffice. If not offer to provide the rest of it.
False accusation alone will destroy your name (because "rape shield laws" keep her name hidden and off web searches) let alone a false conviction.
VIDEO AND AUDIO RECORD EVERYTHING !!!
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
6 months? How about for ever? Data storage is dirt cheap bro.
[–]rombios3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I hear you. For the record I keep mine FOREVER but maybe its the voyeur in me.
One time last year in a discussion about protecting yourself from rape accusations (different subreddit), a redditor asked what I would do if for some reason the Judge makes the video evidence in-admissable in court.
I would UPLOAD it to the internet (starting with Russian and Chinese sites which dont give a damn about legal "cease and desist" orders) and let the world judge me.
Its really that simple.
[–]lala_xyyzOn naughty list0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the right thing to do, fight injustice with injustice. I also advise men to install trojan horses on their girlfriends/wives PCs and cell phones. If they can kill your reputation with false accusations, so can you with incriminating photos, texts or videos.
[–]violetbiscotti7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Surely all women aren't this crazy. I'd go insane if I internalized this.
[–]Typo-MAGAshivOfficial Bloopie Chaser12 points13 points14 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Just about all of them are. They'll rationalize anything they want to do.
If you expect exclusivity (or anything else, really) it must be discussed and clearly.
Even when she agrees to it, she might still go behind your back.
[–]TheNewGuest1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
What's a "high N count"
[–]Jake452315 points16 points17 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Too put it bluntly, it's how many dicks she has had inside her
[–]TheNewGuest2 points3 points4 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Oh ok xD
[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick8 points9 points10 points (4 children) | Copy Link
N = notch, as in notch marks used to keep score.
[–]Black_Gotenks3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I always assumed it just meant n in the mathematical/algebra sense 😂 like n is always used to describe the number of something
[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a 2 in 1 meaning.
[–]minitntman11 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Are we they the real creepers?
[–]Your_Coke_DealerJr. Hamster Analyst0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sssssssssssss
allahu akbar
boom
[–]seabeeaj3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
N= notch. Therefore her notch count is hi.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's actually an interesting point. See, everyone is flawed, so trying to find someone who is the least flawed is a fools errand. It's better to accept the flaws and since they will always be flawed, go for the looks. Unless the flawed personality is really messed up or she's so stupid that you feel your braincells dying everytime she opens her mouth.
[–]mabev435680 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex is never "offered". You make sex happen.
If you are sexless after the first date, you aren't worth it. You failed. Next her, and do better with the next girl.
[–]RicoRichards 1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
If you live like this then you're im for a sad, sad life.
Ffs lads, you sounds like a bunch of incel neckbeards.
Here's a better life tip for everyone reading this shit:
We're all im the same boat, everyone feels as scared and vunerable as you when meeting new people, women are human people just like us, with a brain and emotions, just like us. If you get cheated on, or disrespected by a woman then leave her, she's the one that will die alone.
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I figured this would hit a few nerves and lure in a few cucks and women from the outside. If women can come up with manipulation tactics, we have a right to come up with countermeasures. Some inexperienced younger men need such lists.
[–]RicoRichards 1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
These are countermeasures based on your shit experiences.
Tell you what, if you hate women so much, just be gay. Theres nothing wrong with it pal, its obvious you have some deep issues with women, maybe one humiliated you once in the past and it just stuck with you.
So date men, may aswell. Or just never leave the house so nothing bad happens.
Or, just a thought. Grow some fucking balls and stop blaming everyone else for you being a cunt
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Go away cuck.
[–]Tenth_101 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for you for playing a good hand in the numbers' game. Some other people are on the other side of the spectrum. Don't expect your experience is the same as for everyone else, please. And those lists are just common sense.
[–]EmervilaSpinning Dis On The Fritz43 points44 points45 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I knew about this for a bit since it's a recent sub. It's just not possible to agree more with OP here but I'd like to add some more points:
Our priority is and will remain the same within the Manosphere wich is self-education and improvement, the Pink or any predatory female pill won't beat this. The worst thing you can do as a man is to feed an attention whore monster.
[–]JihadNinjaCowboy25 points26 points27 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I like that website; it gives good insight into the female mind.
"What a great advantage a man can have over women, if he only knew what cold and calculating thoughts are going through her mind.... while her eyes are brimming with tears." - Easter Villar (author of "The Manipulated Man" -- another great source of insight into female nature)
[–]SirenSongxdc24 points25 points26 points (17 children) | Copy Link
Woman here, I got banned from there within a couple minutes after posting this
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I feel rather disgusted at reading some of the recent 'advice' some were giving for dating'. Most of what I read lately isn't even dating advice, it's how to basically trick a guy into giving you something before bolting. IF this sub is supposed to be r/femaleconningstrategy then we're golden. I'm going to post this though as I see most of this as bad advice for those looking for actual meaningful relationships.
Before I go into this, there's a lot of talks about how great women are and how awful men are with many double standards. Remember, MEN are humans too. They have a level of psychology that if you're wanting a meaningful relationship that we have to understand they have as well.
1) Money can buy happiness, if you can pay the non-monetary price. Please, most of you really need to pay attention to this. A lot of the posts are "How much can a guy spend on me". If you're that shallow that your life is based on that, then we've got other things to work on. But, here's the thing. There's always a price. A guy who's spending more on you is probably going to do it with other expectations unless we bring something else than just buttering up his ego for a night. How long are we going to keep the act up? The pretending is actually very taxing in the long term. You'll stop wanting to pretend. Probably end up breaking the relationship off because it was based on a lie where only the green was the connection you had. You end up marrying into that? You're going to be put through more expectations. If the intent is to just ride the alimony pony then... while I guess power to you, I think that's just an awful way to go through life and is just about as scummy as harassing people to buy your MLM oils.
2) Find guys who work or have hobbies you don't know about but are interested in. This is actually the best advice I can give towards a meaningful relationship. I didn't know how to, for instance, build a shed or do home improvement. I had an ex who was a carpenter who actually taught me how to and for a while, it was great being able to do something with him that not only did he enjoy the time, I got something very useful out of it. Likewise, this is important on the other side too. See if there's an interest that he has that you know and he doesn't. What if you're both somewhat curious about dancing, or learning to bake those character cakes? Sometimes both parties can know nothing about it but learning it together helps bonding and again, you GET something you can keep even if the relationship later doesn't work out.
3) Stagnation is death. Even in Relationships. Some people say that they get comfortable with someone and that's why they don't change what they do. Don't. Change is good. Progress keeps life worth going on for. If you immediately find someone who is unmotivated to learn something new, do NOT even bother starting. These are the types that will be most likely to work a ton of hours, and then not have time for you when they're not. By that point, the relationship is going to die anyways. IF you find out they're expecting to do the same thing from day to day, it's not going to happen. They hand you a bit of cash at the end of the week to go shopping? They only take you out to the same restaurants? IF you're okay with that, then I wouldn't even call what you're wanting living. I wouldn't even call that 'dating' or a relationship, but more of a social obligation.that I could instead actually just move away from and find something that WILL go forward.
4) Never become dependent on a man's money while speaking as if you have the entitlement to it. I'm guessing this one is going to go against the rules, but trust; this is just better for us in general. We have worth, (well, some don't, but let's just assume we're all just trying to do the best in life). We give it all up to a guy to be responsible for us, that infantalizes us. What happens when you can't find a man to cover for your wants anymore? Don't. Do. It. Have a plan for yourself. We're the best versions of ourselves when we don't have to BE at the whim of someone's choice. They get tired of us for one reason or another, they choose to drop us. Do you want to be able to say "Fuck you, I'll be just fine" and laugh it off or stress the crap out because now you don't have a way to support yourself? Being self sufficient also comes with the added bonus that like in #1, you won't have to PRETEND to like someone for their money and comfort of being supported. Cause in the end, we aren't entitled to someone else's money. They decide whether or not we're worth using it on if we aren't earning it for ourselves. Dealing with negotiating wage and salary with our employers are a hassle as it is, we don't need to do it with a second entity.
Now, I'm going to go onto some less sleazy alternatives for some of the posts that have been awarded recently.
I know this isn't the most eloquently laid out list. But I am writing this as I think of it. Wasn't planning on looking like a peer reviewed dating guru and editing the writing."
[–]Land_of_the_Losers 1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
No wonder you got banned. Do you walk into a church and piss on the Jesus statue?
[–]SirenSongxdc8 points9 points10 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Depends, is this the strangely muscular Jesus statue in bondage porn on the cross?
[–]BlogginginvicecitySr. Hamster Analyst4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I can neither confirm nor deny that he is looking up with puppy dog eyes, biting his lip in ecstasy... ...as he is wom to do.
[–]SirenSongxdc4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Then only if he's been a thirsty boy needing relief at the golden oasis.
[–]Your_Coke_DealerJr. Hamster Analyst0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, especially the ones in Korean churches. Korean Jesus was definitely into that shit
[–]a1b1no11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You put it across well. My curiosity took to me to FDS, and I noped the fuck out of there after reading a few posts.
They all sound like bitter harpies out to exploit the weakest, and we know how well that will end for them.
[–]mimitchi866 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You sound reasonable and willing to cooperate instead of being full of hate and vengeance. No wonder you got banned there.
[–]mustangfrankPeek-a-boo, Single Mother Sees You0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound reasonable and willing to cooperate instead of being full of hate and vengeance. No wonder you got banned there.
Well said, by you and the female.
[–]Yagyubagna4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is profound. Kudos to you!!
[–]bansheeman5 points6 points7 points (5 children) | Copy Link
You’re a chameleon. Awalt
[–]SirenSongxdc-1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
Not sure what that means, but chameleons are cool!
[–]bansheeman0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
It's a characteristic of sociopaths
[–]SirenSongxdc0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Still don't get it.
Are you referring to a girl being on a subreddit like this? I enjoy making fun of anyone who can be made fun of. I've no shame.
[–]bansheeman0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You sound weak inside
[–]SirenSongxdc0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
are you just saying random shit to be saying random shit?
[–]otakuzodCeddit savior26 points27 points28 points (12 children) | Copy Link
We have to continue to look out for one another as men. The sad thing is that most of us find our way here after the fact. That should make it even more important to look out for each other.
[–]Steeltrap66627 points28 points29 points (11 children) | Copy Link
This is why it hurts me so much when there's infighting in the manosphere. We should be reaching out to men and trying to help them even if they don't entirely agree with us. PUAs, MGTOW, blue pill men, and yeah, even incels. The only men to scorn are the male feminists who have consciously sacrificed their manhood.
[–]Gemjab9 points10 points11 points (9 children) | Copy Link
You can't help people who can't see what we see. Some people can't be helped because they see nothing wrong.
[–]seabeeaj7 points8 points9 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes.....THIS! Even jesus said I can not save all of you.
[–]Gemjab8 points9 points10 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Yep as always, you see a blue pilled man you can warn him (good luck with that shit it's not gonna work) or leave him to Cerberus. 9 times out of 10 they gotta learn the hard way.
[–]seabeeaj8 points9 points10 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Amen.... isn't that sad? I mean they see with their own eyes how men get fucked over yet they give it a try thinking they are different. And then wonder why the fuck it blew up in their face. The ones that give me a chuckle are the white knight mentality guys. Sad but funny. It's like picking up a snake and then they have this look on their face of bewilderment as to why the snake bit them. Yet they are so naive and try to pick up the snake again with same results!
[–]Gemjab8 points9 points10 points (3 children) | Copy Link
White knights are the epitome of sadness for me because most of them never ever consider "would this chick do the same for me" like they never think this at all. I'm about saving my brothers but white knights can't be saved.
[–]seabeeaj8 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Roger that.... I personally believe that they are one step away from being feminized for good, essentially being mentally castrated. They are the ones who willingly allow there significant other to cuckold them... and they thank them for it..... meh!
[–]Gemjab1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, be safe out there brother.
[–]seabeeaj1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You too, brother
[–]lala_xyyzOn naughty list2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Not only that - blue-pilled simps deserve to be exploited and destroyed by these bitches for being such idiots. If they cannot learn from their own experience, they deserve whatever they get.
[–]Gemjab1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed.
[–]Typo-MAGAshivOfficial Bloopie Chaser6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why this sub is so great.
Married Red Pillers, regular Red Pillers, MGTOW, etc. can all discuss the common enemies (female nature, gynocentrism, etc.) and respect each other's way of handling them.
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top20 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The kicker is that they don't even want ugly men to begin with, they are all chasing rich Chads.
I have to agree with them here, sorry but it is the truth and this is why modern day dating is in such a horrid state for us men. If men grew a pair and said no to the nonsense described in FDS, it would all end overnight, but sadly it won't happen any time soon.
[–]Talos40200018 points19 points20 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That reddit is full of toxic women and they know it. Notice how every tenth post or so is all about the joys of being alone?
[–]SylvestorTalone16 points17 points18 points (0 children) | Copy Link
GTO counter strategy from the male end: become increasingly skeptical, be much more guarded with your resources until you get sex up front, divert energy and effort away from becoming desirable for a relationship and into becoming the bad boy she's fucking on the side while she makes the chump wait. If this is unfeasible for genetic reasons, wait 5-10 years for sex dolls to get better/cheaper and drop out of the marketplace entirely.
[–]bushwicksickShaniqua Hamster Analyst16 points17 points18 points (1 child) | Copy Link
There are very few good women in the West. A man must open his eyes and accept this truth. A high value, respectable woman is a rarity. Men must do everything in our power to isolate, shame and expose the treacherous conduct of the modern female. Under no circumstance should any sane man let a female have any access to his resources. Do not get married, go your own way, do your own thing.
To the lurking blue pills who think this is bullsh*t, open your damn eyes.
[–]jrpark053 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed, except for one thing: there are very few good women anywhere.
Just my experience living overseas and traveling around the world.
[–]Million-Suns14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
They're right though:
If women can afford to behave like that it's because the majority of men (I'd say 95%) are behaving like white knights/manginas, like women are wonderful angels and it's a privilege to walk the same earth they do.
So, if that sub open the eyes and red pills at least one man, I'm all for it to stay.
[–]jrpark052 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, and don't interrupt them bragging about who they really are.
[–]mustangfrankPeek-a-boo, Single Mother Sees You8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I know the site you got all this information. I read it about 3 days ago. It is shocking, but in todays world of feminism, I am not surprised at all.
[–]Velvet_Hammer_Sapiosexual Tingler7 points8 points9 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I especially like your final summation. Many will say that the basic biological drives of men and women are sex and bearing children respectively. Much more empirical than that, like you said, men want a woman to respect them, and women want a man to love them. The sex and child-bearing are part of that journey for each, but not the journey itself.
Nice post.
[–]moorekomUrban Hoe Guerrilla10 points11 points12 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Reproduction is the purpose. The way men and women go about it differs and can be even more important than the purpose itself. Women want to be loved. Men want to be respected.
[–]I-am-the-lulAll Ass No Stick7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately they only value the love from Chads, Tyrones and bad-boy losers while love from good guys is merely seen as an opening to exploit those guys.
[–]Cookiedoughjunkie3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You HAVE seen the posts where women are asking for sperm donors who pay them monthly for letting them fuck them once, right?
[–]Velvet_Hammer_Sapiosexual Tingler1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I have seen a handful of posts such as you describe. You have seen the endless flood of single mothers on dating sites looking for The One, a Real Man, and "something real", right? They had their children, but still lack the fulfillment of being loved.
[–]GTOH4U9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I've completely switched off women when I know they've fcked about. Same with dumb women, women with low empathy, women with high student debt and crap careers, women with tattoos, women with the fat gene mother.. the list goes on. Very very few women are worth the risk of marriage, women's emancipation has just been their downfall as they now manifest what the group tells them.
[–]PM_Happy_Puppy_Pics9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
We are men, we don't have to give a shit about what the weaker women are doing with their predatory lives. They will prey on the weak. We have to be strong, stand firm, don't give in to women, and most of all just be proud of yourself and know your value. You desire a woman and love but you don't absolutely need it, however, you think you do, you can fill your life with so much more. Women are our kryptonite, they are the opposite to every defense you've got, but my men, my friends, listen, they are only going to tear you down piece by piece to get everything they want. And society is on their side, not yours.
[–]sean__christian2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah nothing to be afraid of, just aware of.
[–]rombios6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont think their strategy is working very well.
Massive red-pilling of men currently underway.
You can thank "male spaces" on the internet, #metoo movement, hookup culture and 80/20 rule, public divorce settlements, Marriage is at an all time low. Women may control sex but not relationships.
And beauty fades with age. But if men are valued solely for money (as the original-original poster stated) then Men who make money will still get to enjoy younger women - long after shes passed her prime
[–]laptopdragon6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
tldr:
when will it be time to make it illegal for women to manipulate others?
[–]SilverGryphonWorking his way to the titty top3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably never, too many cucks
[–]AshyBoneVR4Submaster Flex: Hoes can't touch this3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Huh.... I'd wonder if my ex subs to that subreddit, but in all honesty I don't think she's smart enough to figure out how reddit works.
Gaslighting 101.
[–]Rafique6784 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
idk that sub existed lol. excellent post
[–]Narcissist456Jr. Hamster Analyst2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Bruh fuck these hoes.
[–]LilLoserFreny2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Man who cares. At some point we as men need to let em do their bs and let em drown in their own stupidity.
[–]ntvirtue2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You act like this is something new that women have not been doing since....well the stone age.
[–]sleepyweaselisawakeNeighbor of the Beast2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
That sub definitely has an interesting title, but women don't need a "dating strategy" all they need to do is show up and show a modicum of self control and keep the guy's cock out of her mouth for a couple weeks. But, I digress.
I'm pretty successful in the dating pool. I have new matches regularly, go on dates, and usually spin a couple plates at a time. First dates are always casual, the check is always split, and I consistently get laid. My success stems from a single philosophy: I simply don't give a fuck.
I don't give a fuck; how much makeup they put on or what it costs, how long it took them to get ready, what their education level is, how many people they've fucked and on and on and on ad nauseam. My profile and conversations are clear that I'm not looking for anything serious. Whatever her profile says is irrelevant. If she's on a date with me she wants to fuck, and I'm happy to oblige.
So, their whole strategy of make guys wait, make them pay, blah blah bullshit is moot. Why? Because I always have women on the backburner who are interested in low effort sex. If women truly wanted men to value them as equals and establish themselves as relationship material they would ditch OLD and attempt to meet men IRL.
[–]divorce330 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
What does "OLD" stand for?
[–]sleepyweaselisawakeNeighbor of the Beast0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Online Dating.
[–]popthatkitty 1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
...why don't you just look to be loved and respected by someone, and to love and respect that same someone?
like instead of all this crazy?
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand this comment. We men are the ones who offer love and respect, and get shit on in the process.
[–]popthatkitty 1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
from the original post: "...women want men to love them. Men really don't want love from women. Men want their women to respect them. Men want their women to do what they ask them to do and to help do what needs done. Men want their women to go with them where they want to go. Men want their women to help them both get there."
that's not someone offering love or respect to another person.
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
A woman doing this is offering respect to her man, which is what he really wants from her.
If you need this explained to you, here's a man offering love (out of commitment): He claims her as his own. He fucks her good and on the regular. He takes care of her. He gives her the affection and attention she has earned (which she HAS earned by doing all those things I mentioned). He supports her financially. He fathers her children and stays with her to do so. He stays with her in their old age and cares for her then.
This isn't difficult to understand.
And, you know, the more I read this, the more I conclude that this sub really isn't for you. Men here don't need lectures on love or respect. You might be happier at purplepilldebate.
[–]mustangfrankPeek-a-boo, Single Mother Sees You0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Can someone provide the female like to the dating Strategy talked in the above post? I just cannot find it any more. I wanted to copy it completely to show some of my friends. It is appalling
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
This one should have stopped at this point and left it at that. But, that would require a woman give up her sexual "liberty".
I'm actually okay with this one. It's perfectly natural.
[–]AldabruzzoThere is no mercy in this Dōjō[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's fine for women to marry men for provisioning ability and money so long as those aren't the sole reasons, and so long as they're honest about it. These women are marrying solely for money and they're dishonest about it. They're defrauding innocent men. They're frauding their way into sham marriages specifically for the purpose of getting an income stream from those men.
[–]Cristoff13Jr. Hamster Analyst0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I suggested that if that reddit were serious about promoting an amoral female dating strategy, they'd go for one of cheating on their husbands with exciting men behind their backs. I see they are actually advocating this.
But this isn't a serious reddit. Its more of a one where some woman can let off steam, like the incel reddits were for some men (if there are any of those left). Some of their posters would also be male trolls joining in the fun.
The great majority of women wouldn't be capable of consciously applying, with intent, these strategies. They'd have to be sociopaths. What happens is that most women start out fully intending to be faithful, or to find a nice stable guy to marry, but their rationalization hamsters kick in and push them off course.
[–]TraksimussJr. Hamster Analyst1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol no, most women are full blown sociopaths and society covers for them.
Few decent women go unnoticed in this crowd.
[–]MikepGreyPurple pill abuser - Don't feed after midnight0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed, but it is only armerican women who do this (I think) in europe I had 3 girls triple team me (as in a house of 4) and where very dedicated and loyal, we still keep in touch after 15 years
... "girls" (cuz I cant call them women) state side see me as a walking atm/driver/bag carrier/jester.
And then insult me when I don't play their game, it is funny how ever to laugh at them when I remind them their pussy isn't magic nor special (that statement freaks out 9 in 10 when I say it to their face.... serious head damage in the states).
And alas the good women ARE all taken (and then you have nasty std filled girls with 6 kids saying "But I am a good women, support me!"
Bah
[–]oh_no_aliens[email protected]0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
A part id like to reflect on
women like these don't know how not to be bitches, they only know when not to be a bitch, when the expected value of returns is higher than resorting to their lowest common denominator behaviour.
[–]roogoff 1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
I discovered r/FemaleDatingStrategy holy shit it's like the Machine City from the Matrix
[–]TheNewGuest2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya it's hilarious how angry yet disgusting those chicks are.