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What makes men more extreme?

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August 12, 2015
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It would appear to me almost as though it were a parody if I stumbled across our little corner of the web before knowing anything of the red pill and discovered people speaking of "leftism" and "thought police." And yet even as laugh at how paranoid it sounds to consider that there is a cultural war on men and that there are those looking to police thought, there are victims and real examples here on this very board.

I am always surprised to hear that our culture seeks to silence thoughts and ideas that it does not like because it finds the ramifications of these conclusions to be too dangerous for the common good of society.

It surprises me because it's not necessarily effective.

For instance, refusing service to racists. Letting them know you disagree with their views and refusing to do business with them.

The thought process must be that people are afraid that racism might spread. By which means? I can only surmise they think that the ideas behind racism are so true, or true enough, that people will be tricked into thinking the ideas have merit.

So the only option is to block the ideas from the start. A conversation cannot take place because this means that an extremist group has gained some foothold or traction. The very conversation itself is demonized in this context.

But what's the intended goal? To dismantle the power of extremists by making their lives difficult?

What if the extremists are specifically upset about how difficult their lives are? How effective is this?

There is no doubt in my mind that today's war on men relies on keeping men from organizing. There is no greater threat to our government and to those who hold power than men who organize. Women can organize because they want to grow government. But when men do it, revolutions happen.

But how effective is it to poke a beehive?

Just today I saw news that our very own /u/bsutansalt was unable to advertise men's meetups on meetup because by default this sort of meetup is considered wrong, hateful and extreme.

This user was unable to get his men's rights t-shirts printed by multiple companies because they were deemed offensive and hateful, and extreme.

Roosh has been met with extreme aggression and protest as he tours various countries and states to peacefully meet with other men and discuss men's interests. The lies thrown his way are the only way to help cement his scarlet letter: 'R' for Rapist.

Our sub itself is under constant attack for being considered wrong, hateful, and extreme.

And there are countless other stories on /r/theredpill as well as /r/mensrights showing how men are systemically told "no" for having their own interests and ideas that are not approved or stamped by the thought police.

Why would that make us any less extreme?

If their goal was to show us our ideas were wrong, then shutting us down only makes us right. If we were wrong, we would pose no risk to our culture. We are the figurative butt of this culture's joke, and they are doing their best to keep from letting us in on it.

If men get together and talk, then they compare notes, they might realize what a raw deal they're getting. And we might stop supporting the system that does nothing but take from us. And... we can't have that.

You know what makes men more extreme? When they are not given valid arguments or reason, but instead told "no." When they have nothing left to lose. When they discover their theories validated by everybody around them.

The very fact that /r/feminism has a safe place to talk, but /r/theredpill constantly worries about when we're going to be on the chopping block- this is the inherent sexism of our culture.

Even our speech must be labeled hate speech so nobody accidentally listens. What would happen if we made sense?

There is ZERO criteria by which our speech should be considered hate speech. But arguing that misses the point of this war. They know it's not hate speech, and that's why it scares them.

If the world's goal was to reduce those they consider extremists, they've done a piss poor job. TRP would've shriveled and died long ago if we weren't so fucking right.


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Title What makes men more extreme?
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 258
Comments 99
Date 12 August 2015 08:16 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]TRP VanguardWhisper87 points88 points  (11 children) | Copy

The motivation here isn't tactical or strategic, it's emotional.

When you treat certain ideas as taboo, or thoughtcrime, what you are doing is punishing people for having the idea, and rewarding them for hating it. So they are not so much motivated to work to reduce the idea's prevalence, as they are to make grand public gestures to demonstrate that they as far removed from the idea as possible.

As Terry Pratchet put it:

“Oh, I’m not talking about the poor bugger in the pit,” said the philosopher. “I’m talking about the people throwing the stones. They were sure all right. They were sure it wasn’t them in the pit. You could see it in their faces. So glad it wasn’t them that they were throwing just as hard as they could.”

Hate groups like TBP don't exist to stop us. They don't even want to stop us. They want to prove to themselves and everyone else how much they disagree with us, hate us, and aren't like us.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy

Cue: Witness somebody make a statement that gives "oppressed" groups agency.

Routine: Make ad hominem attacks and appeal to emotion to try and discredit said person.

Reward: Receive validation from the masses and a feeling of moral superiority.

Sorry. Just learned about habit loops and can't stop seeing them everywhere now.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Emotion is the manifestation of tactics and strategy. When a person gains status by being outraged, he becomes outraged; nonjudgemental, he becomes nonjudgemental; hippy-lovey-dovey progressive, he becomes hippy-lovey-dovey progressive.

We humans are really simple.

[–]_whistler2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Emotion is the manifestation of tactics and strategy.

I would say rather that emotion & reason are both tools. As you say: when a person gains status by being outraged, he becomes outraged. This doesn't mean that emotion lies along the continuum of reason, rather it just means that they're all part of the same toolkit. We put these tools to use both consciously and unconsciously, in advancement of the ultimate evolutionary goal: prosperity.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Consciousness/reason is the tiny little ice cube floating above the water's surface; everything else is the twenty-thousand-ton iceberg submerged beneath. The ice cube likes to pretend it controls the iceberg, but what it's mostly doing is engaging in post hoc reasoning.

[–]_whistler5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Absolutely. As Nietzsche put it: "Consciousness is the last and latest development of the organic and hence also what is most unfinished and unstrong."

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting implications for free will, no?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't forget that they also try to push to be the biggest victim, because that way, they get the most attention and pity.

It makes me think that this SMBC comic is saying more than people realise.

Being the worst off is a double edged sword, and I think even painting yourself out to be one is, because you're ruining your self image.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They want to prove to themselves and everyone else how much they disagree with us, hate us, and aren't like us.

Haters gonna hate. I'm okay with that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ad hominem attacks are the easiest way to shut down discourse.

[–]2undead_keyboard-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're quoting Terry Pratchet. I knew there was a reason I liked you.

[–][deleted] 117 points118 points  (16 children) | Copy

The reason I stuck around the Red Pill is because of this phenomenon. I consider myself an open minded person and like to expose myself to different points of view. When I first stumbled upon TRP a lot of the things I read instantly clicked with my real world experiences. This is obviously very powerful evidence. Then when I went to various feminist and white knight infestation pits and said something like "Hey guys here are some ideas I have tell me why they're wrong" I would just be met with acrid hostility and vitriol. Shaming tactics and every other rhetorical form of misdirection and abuse were trotted out in turn with no sign of any actual refutation. So naturally I still think TRP has the right ideas at least when looking at the big picture if not in detail.

[–]animalpoo35 points36 points  (10 children) | Copy

Same goes for me. Since I was a teenager, I've always had various unanswered questions, where I've attempted to make sense and apply theory to situations. TRP had complete, sound actionable advice and answers .

I still keep an open mind and challenge anyone to change my world view, I welcome it and would listen. The opposing arguments don't care for debate and stem illogical loaded stereotypes, which adds nothing and insults my intelligence.

Thus in this given time, TRP is the way of life. Like it or not.

[–]le_weed_meme_42028 points29 points  (9 children) | Copy

When I first discovered TRP, I tried talking about it outside reddit among a group of fairly well-educated people I had known for a very long time who were significantly older than me. Huge mistake.

It was amazing how fast I was no longer welcome in their roundtable.

"lmao", "hahaha", "i bet you can't even give an example", "this reeks of misogyny", "wow, this is so offensive", "you'll grow out of this in a few years", "corporate glass ceiling", "humans are the least sexually dimorphic species" etc. were the rock-solid counterpoints I received.

That's when I learned to shut my mouth about TRP outside of... safe spaces.

Purplepilldebate is all right. I read there occasionally for additional perspective from RP-atheists.

[–]animalpoo35 points36 points  (2 children) | Copy

You effectively bring a loaded gun to the table when you talk about TRP, everyone gets uneasy and no longer want you around.

It's healthy to discuss the ideas but not as TRP. It's dangerous to live life with a confirmation bias as you might miss something or even worse, commit more time to an impure ideology.

I'm lucky I have my Grandad. He's RP as they come and willing to discus these theories. Sometimes he just shouts them at me without my encouragement.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

When you talk about trp with the masses you are asking for disaster. They cannot see past their unconscious impulses and their rationalisations for said impulses. They will hate you for knowing and spreading the truth. So I learned that you can't teach people the truth. They need to learn and sometimes they need to learn the hard way.

[–]animalpoo1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Precisely that ! They have to find out their own way unfortunately.

[–]razorwan9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy

A friend mentioned it in passing and before he could comment on it (we were both in a cheery mood), I mentioned how much I enjoyed TRP for being a positive source of male identity in a feminazi society. His mood quickly changed and he just said "reaally??"

[–]animalpoo5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Society as a whole upholds the ideas that what we're doing is sexist. What we're encouraging is sexist and that sexism is a cancer needing to be prevented and 'cured'.

To go against these norms brings out the reactions you've mentioned from your friend.

[–]razorwan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I actually mentioned to him that I'm not in it for the sexual strategy (this whole spinning plates, not getting married, etc. thing isn't how I was raised). I specifically mentioned that I enjoy RP for giving males a better identity in age of feminism. His response was pretty typical of him probably opposing it but never directly saying this to me in my face, just playing it ambivalent lot.

I will concede that I'm not eager at all to mention that I'm a TRPer to other people. If it comes down to my particular views on feminism I'm happy to elaborate, but the stigma of sexual strategy makes me very apprehensive to mention it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think the core issue is people have viewed the redpill solely for it's sexual strategy and not for the other aspects like self fulfillment, self improvement & increased understanding of workplace and home life politics. People look at at solely as a sexual space not an enlightenment one.

[–]razorwan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah exactly... that's why I avoid tacking my name onto it, since people are less likely to think "oh he likes TRP for its values, not its sexual strategy!"

People like to assume that you're a dirtbag as much as possible.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

purplepill debate is all right

Woah nelly. Surely you mean 'alright''? Ppd can't be all right at once.

Anyway, my problem with PPD is that you can't get a fucking word in because of the feminazi bulldykes and billy betas hamstering and shouting you down, as if they're right by default and we're just there to try and argue a 'wrong' viewpoint.

Waste of time IMO.

[–]HEADPOCKET-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Except if you ever suggest that lifting weights (while beneficial) isn't a panacea, and that building skills, career accomplishments, financial success, etc., is more important in the long-run than being buff, you'll be downvoted and called a pussy.

[–]adam_varg 7 points7 points [recovered] | Copy

You always were ripped, or you never were.

If you will see how differently will people treat, you will understand.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's absolutely no reason why you can't lift and do all that shit.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSarcasticus48 points49 points  (3 children) | Copy

Paraphrasing the Tyrion quote: "Cutting out a man's tongue only proves you fear what he has to say."

Censorship is by design. The principles of feminism - which are largely entrenched, believed and bought into by society - will crumble when examined with any sort of logical rigour. But feminism is good for business - and so any viewpoints challenging existing dogma will be labeled as "hate speech" and censored.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's very much like arguing with a woman; if you're arguing with a woman, you've already lost.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

But we are arguing with women. Well, women and feminine men.

Which is why we don't mention TRP outside of TRP. And why the 'amused mastery' and 'abundance mentality' attitudes are recommended.

Doing this allows us to rob women of (most of) their bullshit. The rest is handled by crushing their shit tests.

[–]SilentForTooLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ok, so women will rule society by default then?

[–]HAMMURABl24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

I love the word extremist. An extremist is someone who is just deviating from current norms, and thus accusing someone of extremism is nothing but playing on the moral drum of conformity.

Since the vast majority of people are sheep (and this includes nearly all women), they will always follow mainstream, always bow to the current sentiment, whatever it it. This may sound like I am accusing the average Joe and Jane of being stupid. That is actually not what I am accusing them of - I very smart friends (several with Oxbridge math/physics PhDs), and although I can have deep discussions with them, they are still trapped in conformity thinking.

This conformity thinking is quite literally the blue-pill: they live in a dream-world based on ideological assumptions. They may not be dumb, they will simply believe whatever ideology currently rules their environment. Put all the white-knights/SJWs/feminists from todays environment in Germany 1933, and a vast majority of them would honestly cherish Hitler and want to defend Germany's honor. Yes, we can.

Today you are an extremist for saying women should not be able to vote; for saying immigrants should never be able to live on welfare in a country other than their own. 100 years ago you would be an extremist for saying the opposite positions.

To sum it up: Embrace being called an extremist. The majority is never right.

[–]douglas_p5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man, I think about this shit all of the time. It seems like every woman I know bases all of their beliefs and interests on whatever is popular in their immediate surroundings. That's why a lot of men are skeptical about female political opinions. This is true for a lot of men also, but it really seems like 99% of women are like this.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil43 points44 points  (16 children) | Copy

The way I see it the Manosphere is the place to be right now. The mainstream is shamelessly fucking men to the point where we will have a constant influx of subscribers and free publicity. We are controversial enough to be edgy and exciting. My dream is to troll my way to the top, rip my shirt off on Dr. Oz, and ask him if he is mad. I will then harvest his mad and the collective mad of millions of housewives to advertise my book.

Every crisis is an opportunity.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every crisis is an opportunity.

straight out of my MBA program

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (9 children) | Copy

It's amazing how Roosh had the opportunity to do just this and fucked it up.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper45 points46 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's worth remembering that "pickup" is not masculinity, or confidence, or courage, or strength.

It's just "what to do say to vapid 20something girls who like appletinis and cute shoes".

Once someone gets really good at that, they can get laid more than tile floor, but that imbues them with no special abilities beyond that one specific thing. It is narrow, specific, situational confidence.

Would you want Tyler from RSD to have your back in a street brawl? Would you put Neil Strauss in charge of an infantry battalion? Would you climb Mt. Everest with Roosh V? Of course not.

What these men have to sell is pickup seminars and books. If men's needs are deeper or broader than that, they have nothing, because that's not a test they studied for.

For the answer to that, you have to turn to TRP, or something like it. Because TRP is community of men discussing and working on all the things that men need to work on.

Not just getting laid. Getting paid. Getting independence. Getting bros who will have your back. Getting respect. Getting happiness. And so much more. There's lots of shit men need that we haven't covered yet, but we will. Because we're not one guy. Not one thing. Not one voice. Not a guru and not a brand.

We're a tribe. Many voices. Men helping each other. We're adding more ECs all the time, each with something a little different to say.

No one of us is as strong as all of us. If there's one real secret of masculinity, that's it. Men work together to get shit done. We multiply our strength by creating a tribe. Sure, we're each gonna do our own thing. GLO gonna sell bro-threads. IllimitableMan gonna have his column site. I might monetize someday, if I ever find myself idle enough. But we take from the community, and give back to it. Our own things prosper because we participate in "our thing", too.

TRP isn't a democracy, it isn't ruled by everyone here, but it is for the benefit of everyone here.

If this "societal misandry" thing is going to be cracked, it won't be by some guy selling seminars and putting his name on everything. It will be by a bunch of bros who work together and have each others' backs.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorCopperFox3c1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said. If you weren't already an RP vanguard, Whisper, I'd give you a point for it.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy

Roosh doesnt even fucking lift. Good luck portraying masculinity when you are literally as strong as my girlfriend. He was staring at the floor half the time.

[–]WingTune011 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I bet you kiss girls, faggot.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

having a girlfriend

Are you gay or something, mate?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should be holding her ass while assisting her pull ups. It would probably be more comfortable for her and certainly more enjoyable for you.

[–]battyryder1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

i kinda think roosh is a pussy, some good ideas though

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think he's done a lot for our community, and he's doing a lot on the edge with the media. While he may be trying to distance himself from us, I have always had respect for the guy.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like when Dick Masterson went on Dr Phil and mentioned his book and website.

But, you know, I don't want TRP to get much bigger.

1) It provides more opportunity for successful alphas because there will be more betas to take women from, and less competition from aspiring alphas.

2) EVERY community, without fail, reduces in quality as it gets a very large active userbase. That's the mainstream subs suck. That's why 4chan's more popular boards (especially /b/ and /v/) suck.

[–]An_All-Beef_Engineer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

provides more opportunity for successful alphas because there will be more betas to take women from

Or more white knights to harass you

reduces in quality as it gets a very large active userbase

That's why the mods here delete low quality posts....

[–]unassumingusername70 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'll buy it if you include a chapter on harvesting mad.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

What's a GayLubeOil book without a mad farming chapter?

[–]Redasshole0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would be proud that you represent my voice.

[–]ColdEiric14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

The very fact that /r/feminism has a safe place to talk, but /r/theredpill constantly worries about when we're going to be on the chopping block- this is the inherent sexism of our culture.

Even our speech must be labeled hate speech so nobody accidentally listens. What would happen if we made sense?

There is ZERO criteria by which our speech should be considered hate speech. But arguing that misses the point of this war. They know it's not hate speech, and that's why it scares them.

If the world's goal was to reduce those they consider extremists, they've done a piss poor job. TRP would've shriveled and died long ago if we weren't so fucking right.

It's a matter of time.

We're fewer than 50%, so we have to keep our mouths shut. And we gain in numbers, because we seek the truth instead of trying to confirm what we believe. Yes, I know, we confirm what our sidebar says, but our 'accepted beliefs' aren't as narrow as the feminist's.

But once we're the majority, the feminists will shit themselves. Because we will vote to stop funding feminism everywhere, and eventually they'll lose their jobs. Jobs they can't get elsewhere, because the political landscape shifted.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Everybody thinks they represent the Truth™. And they do, kind of; there are kernels of truth at the heart of all religions and political movements and ideologies, else they wouldn't have caught on in the first place. Trouble is, once they reach critical mass all that's left is the kernel, because they've long since traded the search for truth in exchange for status-seeking circlejerkery.

Because people seek truth only insofar as it gains them status.

[–]RedPillProphet2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

there are kernels of truth at the heart of all religions and political movements and ideologies

As a former religious person I can confirm for sure that this is wrong. People don't use logic to believe in religion, in fact religion carefully discourages and retards the type of logical open thinking that would lead to debunking it. Vast majority of people never break out of that emotional and social blackmail system that is referred to as religion.

What these movements are based on are vague ideas which are inherently unprovable and offer plausible deniability. Which is then used as cover to further other agendas, i.e. religion for controlling the population, feminism for cheap labor and votes, etc.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Belief and logic are inherently contradictory, "open thinking" is an oxymoron, and Christianity and Buddhism and Islam don't have kernels of truth? Seriously?

That no society doesn't have a long history of religion should be your first clue that it is inseparable from the human condition—call it blackmail if you like.

We can't transcend religion, formal or secular. It's in our bones, our very DNA. To think so is folly, for obvious reasons.

[–]_whistler14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

refusing service to racists. Letting them know you disagree with their views and refusing to do business with them.

The thought process must be that people are afraid that racism might spread.

I would argue that the thought process is secondary to the emotional motivation, namely that of inflicting punishment by denying your services to the Undesirables - "racists" in this case.

It's the paradox of the prison system. Despite the rhetoric about "rehabilitation" of citizens who violate the rules of their society, the prison system is naturally punitive, because it's in our nature - as a species that increases security and fosters progress socially - to inflict negative consequences on the outliers that threaten that safety and progress. Us vs. Them. And we derive emotional satisfaction by belonging to the controlling-interest group (Us) as it metes out punishment upon these outliers (Them), because it's been a historically rewarding strategy for cleansing society of undesirable elements on a case-by-case basis.

This is a paradox because when you act punitively toward individual outliers case-by-case, they develop as a group over time. And a group is what you get - united we stand. In the instance of the prison system, you engender "prison culture". In the instance of masculinity, you engender TRP as a culture.

[–]animalpoo10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

The mayor of Montreal recently tweeted "don't let Roosh into any places, his theories aren't welcome here" - I'm paraphrasing

However it got me questioning. "How/why does a person get to that mental position in life that they think they have the right to censor" , " is it to win the respect of the far left ?"," Or is it because of the media hype and he genuinely believes Roosh is a threat?".

Either way my works slow over the summer. I'm going to dedicate some time in gathering/writing some anecdotal evidence/theories of SJWs.

I want to know, why they do it. How they became who they are. How they fight. Should I / we worry.

It has to be understood through to the micro level.

[–]yummyluckycharms9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Question:

When was the last time you ever heard someone trying to censor a lie or an obvious unbelievable fact?

Answer:

Never. Crazy ideas are never censored because even the most retarded person knows that its not true. Suppressing it doesnt make sense.

When authorities do try to censor things is when the truth has the potential of causing harm or upsetting the order of things. In wartime, they censor the press to stop the enemy from inflicting casualties. In peacetime, they censor the press to stop the danger to the elites running the country

Right now, the matriarchy will do everything in its power to prevent men from organizing and gaining influence over their lives again. Academia and government civil service are mostly staffed by women. Scholarships, mentoring opportunities, preferential hiring, preferential treatment in courts of law, etc are all in place to ensure that men aren't given a chance for equality. Furthermore, social customs and norms are enshrined to keep men too ashamed to fight for their equality.

To the people who say that men are privileged - tell them to prove it. None can.

[–]Harry_Teak7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire

Trite perhaps, but this is really the only explanation one needs to understand exactly what is going on.

[–]Algernoq14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Plugged-in people still have the perception that white-knighting works or will improve their own lives.

An analogy: these white-knights see "their" society as a body, and they do their part to keep the body healthy by viciously attacking "cancerous" cells that work for their own good instead of the good of the body, where the "body" is some existing social order of covert contracts.

What the white knights don't realize is that the body's moral immune system doesn't work. The masses vote for politicians who pander to them, buy brands that advertise to them, and watch news that uses concern-trolling to get the masses riled up. Meanwhile, people fluent in Powertalk set up situations where they own organizations of other people...they give market-rate pay and social validation (or hire CEOs to do it for them) while reaping large profits. Assholes fluent in Game pump and dump women, and the women cope with it by lying about it to future Nice Guy partners, spreading herpes and deadbedrooms in the process. The White Knights think TRP-ers are the infection, but in reality the infection of Powertalking elites has already won, and the White Knights are simply socially-autistic slaves protecting a status quo that serves their socially-aware masters.

I would gladly sacrifice myself for the good of society, but I refuse to sacrifice myself for the good of selfish liars who would not do the same for me. Having seen that the "common good" is almost always a lie told by powerful people to manipulate gullible people, I am re-evaluating my life to hold myself to the same moral standard as the powerful.

OP: learn Powertalk, and be smarter about your white-knighting.

[–]Hennez5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You know, a long time ago, there was a spread of ideas that talked about god not being the center of our lives and that humans weren't the scum of earth. It started growing little by litte by organizing private events where a small circle of powerful thinkers and influential people attended, BOOM: you get the Renaissance.

Many hundreds of years later new ideas about monarchies not being the panacea and how a different approach to building a nation could be made ended up by killing a king because monarchies just wouldn't accept rights for the very people that died for them, it had to be conquered through a lot of blood spilling (Storming of the Bastille, The Reign of Terror, and many more wars to conquer human rights in different countries including european colonies), BOOM: you get the French Revolution and basic universal human rights.

Every single time society changed deeply and noticeably. Was it for the worst?, no. Was it for something different?, yes. Be it the church or monarchies, they opposed fiercely these movements but when many many more people started thinking "this doesn't sound bad at all, they even make sense" and organizing, they just couldn't hold them off forever.

As you say, if they keep saying "NO" to every single concept, idea and attempt to discuss in a civilized manner, and remember my words, They are going to keep doing so because women (and feminized men who support them) are not capable of thinking in a logical and rational way, they only know that for them to preserve current status quo they have to stop the spreading of ideas by any means because THEY DON'T HAVE THE REAL POWER to defeat us in a all-open confrontation. Then something is bound to happen sooner or later. A diplomatic thing or a forceful thing?, it's not possible to tell right now.

There comes a time that even the most pacifist of men takes up arms and starts fighting for his beliefs, usually when his back's against the corner. Sun Tzu himself said it and it's as old as time.

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[–]nomorelulu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just hope we live to see this in our lifetimes.

[–]1nzgs5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I will just comment on refusal of service to racists. Any business in a free-market is under no obligation to not discriminate against customers. The market corrects for discrimination far better than government legislation ever will.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy

r / feminism has half the number of subscribers we do. There is hope!

[–]JackGoldsteinWrites6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

BUT THEY MAKE TWICE AS MUCH NOISE

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

The empty can rattles most.

[–]crack_tobi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A tin box with two nuts.

[–]RedPillProphet0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I think a more fair comparison would be /r/TheRedPill to /r/TwoXChromosomes

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I'm having a look at 2xchromosomes now. It's interesting.

2XC Front page synopsis:

  • victim stuff : 5x (2 theoretically applicable, 3 utterly inapplicable to Western women)
  • medical stuff: 5x
  • social / self love / confidence: 5x
  • men hating: 1

TRP Front page:

  • Victim stuff 7x ( AWALT and all relationships are like that: 4x, Life is hard for most men: 3x)
  • Self improvement: 3x
  • feminism is bullshit: 3x
  • Male interest: 1x
  • introspection: 1x
  • economics/political: 1x

Quick conclusions from a quick scan of the front pages: - Victim mentality is universal (Perhaps deserved, perhaps not) - Women have no interest in self improvement, only in trying to feel more confident. - Women don't seem to be paying much attention to relationships or men at all - Men hate feminism a lot more than women hate men - Medical: women are absolutely fascinated by their vaginas and talk about them a lot

[–]Redasshole3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men hate feminism a lot more than women hate men

That statement does not represent real life reality.

[–]nantucketghost4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

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[–]DannyDemotta13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy

Keep an eye out for the snakes we have right here, in our own backyard. Tons of people who havent bothered to read the sidebar, but lie about it, saying they have.

How do i know they havent? Because every time you disagree with them they trot out some feminist shaming tactics ("you're getting emotional" "why so angry?" Etc etc) or pull some Bro-Knighting or other bullshit.

They're everywhere. They want to be RP/Alpha but still vote/support Bernie Sanders, be anti-"1%" and everything else. Their cognitive dissonance is deafening. At least our outside detractors don't appear genuine - the snakes here will pretend to be RP while spitting out a constant stream of illogical, beta bitch bullshit. Drives me insane.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

We're always on high alert. Click report when you see it.

[–]CreateTheFuture1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I was with you until you lump Bernie Sanders in with blue pill thinking. Disagree with his policies if you want, but he is the only presidential candidate living in reality.

Furthermore, I doubt you're worth a billion or more, so you should rethink your attitude. Being disgusted by poorer people than yourself doesn't mean you're rich. You're being screwed just like the rest of the metaphorical 99%.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm not sure you call this living in reality.

[–]DannyDemotta2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

There was nothing in my post whatsoever indicating i was "disgusted" by poor(er) people - now your Bernie bias is making you see things that arent even there. I dont know if its better or worse to tell you i was raised poor/on welfare, because i'm sure you'll have a rant prepared either way. Either i'm a self-hating poor person, or a special snowflake who managed to rise above whereas others simply cannot be expected to make good use of their free time, study in school, stay off drugs, etc. I'm the "exception, not the rule", innit? Such is required thinking for leftists. Your head will really spin when you find out i did this all as a Black man.

What exactly do you think is going to happen if we get President Bernie? An RP revolution? Fat fucking chance. Business owners across the country are going to be fucked over en masse - and not just the big conglomorates, but the guys who own local car shops and ice cream parlors and teriyaki restaurants. People in areas where a 3bd house goes for $500/mo are going to be expected to pay $15/hour - the same amount someone living in downtown Chicago would make. Preposterous.

There is nothing RP whatsoever about income redistribution, an obfuscatory tax policy, "closing the gender gap", rape tribunals at universities, and all these other things i'm 100% sure Bernie supports. Most of the Republican candidates are assholes too, but this isnt a "they're all the same" situation. Not even close.

If you're only RP to the extent it gets you pussy, then by all means. But to LIVE this RP thing, voting in socialists doesnt work.

[–]CreateTheFuture-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

My point is you're trying to frame the presidential election as "Republican == RedPill; Democrat == BluePill" and you're way off.

Again, disagree with his policies if you want, but there's clearly only one candidate pushing for honest discussion. If you support any of the other clowns who make a career out of lying to gullible people and cashing checks from the ultra-wealthy, you're hamstering.

[–]CreateTheFuture-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Understanding that a very small group of people hold the vast majority of wealth is not BP/beta, you moron. Being "anti-1%" just means you're worth less than a few billion dollars and you have enough sense to realize they're fucking you.

[–]Endorsed Contributorredpillbanana2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just today I saw news that our very own /u/bsutansalt was unable to advertise men's meetups on meetup because by default this sort of meetup is considered wrong, hateful and extreme.

“When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings

[–]Redpillc0re1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is not police. The police is an instrument that enforces established and widely accepted laws. It's not a movement, because it doesn't seek to recruit people through persuasion, it instead wants to destroy every different view. It is not political, because they require unconditional surrender instead of negotiation.

Feminism is a religion. They seek to establish an incontestable dogmatic view surrounded by hundreds of other "social justice" causes. They use social justice as a lure , the same way religious leaders used parables and miracles. They self-proclaim their authority over everything, even disregarding science. Hundreds of years of enlightenment are literally being reversed by the femini-hadists (see trigger warnings, removals from curricula, establishment of "safe spaces" over truth). Welcome to the 12th century, where the inquisition can burn any of you. In a world where extreme minorities make sensations, the feminarmy is complementary to ISIS. In the same way that perceived moral superiority twists the knife of the jihadists, the feminazists feel they have the right to destroy all the west stands for.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

So true. Nothing makes their little hearts flutter like their minds being relieved of responsibility. They're simple creatures who can only relax if they're deferring to someone stronger and smarter. The only reason they despise us is because we gave them the option to bypass their natural roles. It will be the most peaceful revolution in world history slipping that yoke back on.

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What makes men more extreme?

The fact that we're not afraid (at least those of us who aren't BP pussies) to tell the truth in straightforward, sometimes harsh, language. See "extremist" Donald Trump.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I find it hilarious how the word extremist is thrown out as some sort of insult. I see it as a marker the Hiveminds throw out to signal to their brethren that they have met their biggest threat: some one with moral integrity.

"Wait, what? He determines what's right and wrong based on a cohesive set of standards? Not buzzfeed, the daily show, and tumblr? But that means there will be conflicting ideas! My low-T mind and its sensitive amygdala can't even fathom the thought! Shame him into non-existence!"

You know it's bad when Bill Clinton is lauded in classrooms (at least for me) as a moderate president, as if compromising what you believe is correct should ever be praiseworthy.

[–]theHangedGod0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

The idea of thought policing infuriates me. There is no fairness to it.

Only violence can justifiably be policed by an opposing violence. Thoughts and speech should only be policed by opposing thoughts and speech, that's the idea of debate and logic.

No one should be allowed to silence someone just because they have a different opinion.

In all the social justice happening today, I see hypocrisy. They say "I hate you, because you hate ____." Very few of those people ask why someone hates and less try to solve the root issue, they just punish the problem.

[–]Hippo_Kankles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I work with some much older guys at the shop and they live by this. They've mentioned about how life was more TRP oriented in the early 50's. They're religious too (which im not) but i view religion as a far-fetched but positive experience.

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“It must be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to plan, more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to manage than a new system. For the initiator has the enmity of all who would profit by the preservation of the old institution and merely lukewarm defenders in those who gain by the new ones. ” ― Niccolò Machiavelli

[–]RP_Vergil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's a knee jerk reaction to people they don't know when you present to them the truth they know deep down covered by layers of hamster shit they churned from the wheels.

It's never nice to feel "bad" and especially so by some "stranger" online.

Ever wonder why did people always throw out the line "You don't know me" as a retort? It's their way of appealing to your emotional side.

They want you to fold into their emotional frame so "you see in their POV" and agree with their Hamstered "reason(s)".

If you don't, the attack comes in wave en masses.

It wouldn't be as bad if only woman are being emotional as they are "programmed" to be, but when beta, SJW & Male-Fems join in it just lower the playing field to that of a stonning session.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Swallowing the Red Pill isn't something that's done once, and then over.

It's a life-long prescription to seeking the truth and questioning what you're told. I'm sure many of our members have begun seeing the world in a very different light.

Politics, economy, religion, culture. All these arenas are susceptible to corruption like the disparity in the sexual marketplace. And dissidents are equaly silenced.

A good first step forward would be to re-aquire male spaces and organizing. In fact, it's happening right here. Maybe the tide is turning.

[–]NineInchPitchfork-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Extremism is quantified by measuring the 'outliers'. Their actions are those that attract attention because they are remarkable. So the banal day-to-day discussions on TRP are not what create the scrutiny. It is the exceptional comments, those not even endorsed by the majority of the members, that are noted.

OP mentions Roosh on his "peaceful" tour and that he is being subjected to maltreatment due to lies. This could be construed by a casual observer as complicity with Roosh's views by TRP. However, I do not think the majority here are prepared to endorse Roosh. For one thing, he and TRP have had a parting of the ways. For another, he really brought this upon himself by proposing that rape be legal on private property. In one fell swoop, he forever marginalized himself to tinfoil level blogger. Any group that allows him to grab on will be pulled to the bottom with him.

Islam is becoming increasingly reviled due to the actions of ISIS. US law enforcement continues to suffer an unfavorable reputation for what (statistically) are the actions of relatively few. The republican party is putting as much distance between itself and Donald Trump to avoid his publicity shitstorm.

The aphorism "you are only as good as the company you keep" is as true for organizations as it is for individuals and has become even more relevant in the information (social media) age.

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[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is a very interesting post to me. I can sense a backlash from thought policing and trying to legally enforce social change is inevitable. TRP is one example of this.

A few months ago, I watched a documentary made in the UK by Trevor Phillips (previously in charge of all manner of UK govt roles to promote equality among races) in which he explored some of the stereotypes which were true and also discussed other things you can't say anymore about race because of political correctness.

The interesting thing about this, is that he is actually aware now (and takes some responsibility) for what he sees as problems he has actively caused. For example an advert designed to try and reduce racism against immigrants, just caused resentment and indignance amongst the white population... effectively making them less receptive to people of other races as a result. Exactly as predicted by free speech enthusiasts, the real racists have been driven underground by political correctness and any sensible person is now starting to resent (if not already resenting) the bullshit that black people have it harder when we can clearly see the racism involved in selecting the token black for a high profile position. The racism in the minority/diversity quotas for companies. i.e. the white man will be passed over in favour of the black man because of the colour of their skin. This is identical to the very thing these equal rights activists complained about, you just switch the words black and white around.

In addition to this, the police force in the UK is starting to struggle with organised crime from foreigners thanks to political correctness. As an example from the documentary, the police know there is a Romanian organised crime gang operating... and they know where... but they are not allowed to target Romanians in that area. Why? Because the gang has set up shop where all the legal, honest Romanians are living and to specifically target Romanians there would be considered "racial profiling" and is therefore unacceptable. And the police are well aware that their hands are tied and they can't take serious action to prevent crime in that area.

In the two examples above, people are starting to wake up to the bullshit. It's actively causing resentment and probably a rise in racism, not because people are inherently racist... but because they can't do anything about the problems... they're naturally angry at the group who are indirectly causing their misfortune through their own benefit. It's the anger phase of the pill, just for something else.

I think some may eventually become hardcore racists because they see no other option. However I think TRP is lucky because I agree with what Karen Straughan said - men simply can't hate women. They can resent all this shit as we've all experienced during the anger phase, but we can't bring ourselves to purely hate them.

People are waking up all over the place, perhaps more slowly to the sexism against men, but it's happening. Movements are growing, even when "underground." So it's only a matter of time.

Also

Just today I saw news that our very own /u/bsutansalt was unable to advertise men's meetups on meetup because by default this sort of meetup is considered wrong, hateful and extreme.

I have come across a men's group on meetup. It's focused on self improvement... I haven't had the time to go along to see whether it's any good but I suspect you could make a similar group. Saying something along the lines of "A group for men to discuss self-improvement, physical fitness, a stronger mind and relationships." That's basically what TRP is in politically correct terms. Don't think it's quite time to bust out the TRP t-shirts, but there's no reason the wolves in sheep's clothing can't gather together.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I think he referred to it as dating advice for men.

[–]Senior ContributorNightwingTRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A little extreme, but still not surprising. Training a beta to be more successful with their dating life is totally unacceptable to the all-high feminine imperium!

I just hope my observation of what has made it through their filters will help him get the group started.



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