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Low SMV and still getting results.

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December 25, 2018
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Hello folks,

I’m gonna start off by saying that i am not seeking any advice or anything in particular , just sharing my experiences here and maybe help nuance all that RP doctrine.

I am 1,65m and overweight. I have a good haircut and groomed beard and i dress in only designer clothes or fitted ones. I know my way with words (in french) and have success with about every woman i talk to. I have received countless nudes, and fingered and ate a lot of woman in my car or at their houses. Recently i have been blocking some girls cause i’m a bit tired of them and they’ve become too needy or they wanted too much commitment from my part, some of them they keep coming back and honestly it saddens me to see them like that so sometimes i try to continue to confort them a bit. Even if i know that if the role were reversed, they’d cut me in a heartbeat. Women nature.

I have always wondered why someone with a low smv like me and repulsive trait (short and overweight) can accomplish that much with women. It made me learn that women are very very very sensible to words, more than we think. I want to highlight here the importance of the way you talk, charisma and clothes. Even if you’re not the tallest or the fittest, you can succeed. Believe me.

That’s all for me fellers,

May god bless you all


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Title Low SMV and still getting results.
Author icy_ghost95
Upvotes 85
Comments 171
Date 25 December 2018 07:02 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/71518
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/a9cwv7/low_smv_and_still_getting_results/
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[–]bouphew75 points76 points  (0 children) | Copy

You answered yourself. You have your way around words. Bitches love to be finessed. Keep improving bro

[–]wiffofass 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy

I'm the opposite. I'm a retard with words. I say the most obnoxious shit. My last opener was "hey how old are you" lmao. But I'm extremely jacked, 5'10" (not that that but the muscles make up for it) and got a nice face and teeth.

The only time I do well with women is when they do all the talking and I do all the escalating and touching.

[–]icy_ghost9525 points26 points  (7 children) | Copy

It’s a very good start, game is learnable.

[–]KettleLogic18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy

Getting jacked is too as a reminder. ;)

[–]icy_ghost9513 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, for sure. It is my next goal.

[–]KettleLogic6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Best of Luck!

[–]UncleChido1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nicely put - game is learnable

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Anything you can recommend for a beginner who wants to become more like you?

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Read the comments, i’ve said a lot of things bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man

[–]Stokestix 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

SMV != height/ripped body

Game and status are way more important and it looks like you've got game.

[–]icy_ghost953 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, i have learned that through my experiences. If I haven’t lived it, i wouldn’t believe it.

[–]somebullshitrp8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

What part of you is low SMV, exactly?

SMV is a collection of traits, not just looks/physique.

You could probably improve some things, but it's hard to get motivated when you're currently slaying the poon.

[–]masterpiece00-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

165cm

[–]somebullshitrp9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

So? Height isn't the end all, either.

People continue to think that SMV is made up of one or two specific traits. Worse, they think it's made up of the traits that are beyond their control.

Obviously the OP is doing just fine at that height.

[–]masterpiece0011 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's social media, everyone here is banging 10's and has 1 million in savings.

[–]StannisBaratheon9433 points34 points  (21 children) | Copy

We’re aware. You’re what we call a natural alpha. Most guys aren’t though, and that’s what TRP is for.

[–]mickey__5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy

What's alpha about it?

[–]Velebit15 points16 points  (19 children) | Copy

He communicates in an agreeable witty way leading not by confrontation and submission of others but by winning them over effortlessly.

[–]mickey__7 points8 points  (18 children) | Copy

How did you came up with that conclusion, it's interesting! Would you tell more please?

[–]Velebit14 points15 points  (17 children) | Copy

Alpha means a leader and being a natural leader means you lead effortlessly and people don't have a 'oh he wants to tell us what to do and think' kind of way.

This is why, for example, many people dislike Trump. His style makes it incredibly obvious he sees himself as top dog and will do whatever it takes to submit you, even trying to pull your arm to him.

Human interactions are preferably subdued, our hierarchies often implicit. The most important thing is that people feel thankful for everything that is de facto leadership.

If you can think of a quality date, you are a leader and you benefit her. The point is to be one step ahead but also naturally, another point, which works best for winning over women, is to not exhibit destructive energy. This is where Trump (and me) often make people resist.

The mere suggestion that you are willing to destroy and be hostile (judging is included) will turn off many softhearted people away and make them disagree with whatever actually truthful, and useful thing you are saying or suggesting.

One of the reasons why French revolution happened is because the king who was never seen by public or accessible to plebs, called for an assembly of estates for the first time after 300 years. After all that time plebs never interacted with the king and when he demanded they follow the routines like bending the knee while addressing the king, the whole mood of the plebs changed as hierarchy became implicit and king no longer was a warrior noble (a gorilla style alpha who cuts your head off if you do not bow) who they feared enough to be explicitly submissive.

[–]HellSpeed3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The mere suggestion that you are willing to destroy and be hostile (judging is included) will turn off many softhearted people away and make them disagree with whatever actually truthful, and useful thing you are saying or suggesting.

I see this everyday. Excellent response.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is actually one of reasons why women find themselves not enjoy working in many male dominated fields.

[–]FvckYourSafeSpace 1 points [recovered]  (14 children) | Copy

Trump is a complete beta cucklord’s idea of an alpha. Give me a break with that shit.

[–]Velebit4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy

He is literally the most powerful man on the planet elected by taxpaying majority of the most advanced country on Earth that runs a global empire and forces me, a Slav, to speak their language.

Putin also does stuff like that, just less obviously. He brought a dog to Merkel meeting because he knew she fears dogs, he also plenty times when meeting someone asked to see their belongings, like a ring or bracelet and just kept it for himself.

Jan Claud Juncker slapped Orban in a typical 'amog' manner and pinched the ass of Pljenkovic, both on tv, however due to him being a globalist it is not sensationalized as much.

[–]FvckYourSafeSpace 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

He did not win the simple majority (popular vote) first of all. Second of all, trump would crumble like a paper bag if he faced any adversity coming up. he can't even get hit with any criticism without crying about it on twitter. that's alpha shit to you? are you 12?

he's the type of kid who would get beat up in the schoolyard and end up being addicted to drugs, in and out of fucking jail like a loser running short cons where i come from. he is a spoiled rich white kid from NYC, and no not fuckin grimey brownsville type of NYC where people have it rough. upper crust NYC. he received 100s of millions of dollars from daddy warbucks over the years, then he fooled people into believing he was a businessman with this money.

you compare trump to putin too? holy shit. putin was special forces, trump plays an "alpha" on TV. putin plays chess, trump plays tic tac toe. trump is the type of idiot born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple... he is the idiot's idea of a smart man.

i can't even believe you have this kind of impression of him, that's sad as hell that you are fooled by this three dollar conman.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Cry

[–]TheLongerCon-5 points-4 points  (9 children) | Copy

He is literally the most powerful man on the planet elected by taxpaying majority

What? Trump received 3 millions votes than Clinton, the only reason he's president is because America has an incredibly stupid electoral system.

[–]memer9351152 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Without it Los Angeles and New York would determine the outcome of every election ever.

[–]TheLongerCon-3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy

That's not true at all, but thanks for showing you don't know how to do math.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

That is why I said taxpayers. Those who are a net contributors to tax system disproportionally vote Republican. Gibs vote democrat.

[–]TheLongerCon-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Care to have a source for that?

[–]mseand8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy

Long dick, maybe?

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Hahahaha

[–]Musicgoon11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Fuck yeah! Thank you for posting this bro! I've beem telling the young guys on here this type of stuff. Keep them out of the incel camp. I started my Red Pill journey as a divorced super fat Fuck. I was broke and overweight. But I applied myself and was well groomed. I slayed! I had so many women I felt like I was stealing. Game and social skills really count! I commend you. It only gets better from here. You totally should lift. It improved My life. Not my sex life, but everything else. The sex was better as a byproduct. Keep it up bro! Fuck yeah!

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks man, i will try to improve my weight this year, even though the motivation is not there.

[–]luvu_frndz 1 points [recovered]  (13 children) | Copy

thanks man, May I know what makes them feel good. What sensible topics you talk ? what topics they get really drawn to.

[–]icy_ghost9522 points23 points  (12 children) | Copy

Make her feel safe with you, make her feel like she can trust you. Never let her feel judged (even when you do deep down) and be funny. Also be non-needy, this is really really really important. Woman can sense neediness like shark with blood. If she answers late, answer late too. If she doesnt answer at all, never send another message, wait for her. And then make her wait again.

Also try to go in deep subjects like love, life etc.. These discussions are more effective at night.

Good luck

[–]OloE0pia 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

I've personally found it hard to balance being non-judgemental and also being funny. More specifically, while teasing/patronizing them. What am I missing here? Do you not tease girls?

[–]priapula1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yea same here. I think I might be hurting myself by purposefully making the girl not trust me...

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

When being in a serious convo and deep stuff do not try to be funny or teasing. Listen to her, comment on what she’s saying, giver her advice. Never judge what she’s saying by being offended or acting surprised.

When the time comes, you can tease her, antagonize her in a humorous way, disagree with her etc..

Each thing his time. It’s common sense.

[–]UncleChido0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

Deep subjects?

Can you explain

[–]icy_ghost956 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy

Like your view on life, love, future, people, past, religion etc... Try to elevate the level of discussion, so she’s interested in you and look up to you.

[–]Velebit1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Do you take 'mastery over her worldview' by exploring the realm of ideas and perspectives and then showing where the good stuff is and intrguing her because she didnt view it from that perspective

[–]UncleChido-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

Hmm. I always thought girls are not very deep and leave discussions at shallow levels.

Has it worked for you. Discussing religion, life, live etc with women?

[–]icy_ghost9514 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

Nah man, they’re humans like us haha. If you talk about deep subjects and you look like you know what you’re talking about, she’ll look up to you.

[–]MisterDSTP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Im glad you reminded me of this. I've kinda switched my game up to be more cocky funny and intentionally dont get too deep with convos even though thats what i love for. And although i get the pussy it just feels trash.

I think the (non) neediness aspect is key.

[–]UncleChido0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Would try that.

[–]KilluaKanmuru1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yo. I recommend Improv(e) Your Conversations by P.E King.

[–]RedKepler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounding a lot like Coach Corey Wayne there.

[–]qwertyuiop1112223 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Men are easily deceived by looks. Women are easily deceived by words.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly.

[–]Auxfite9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy

My advice for you seems you’re almost a top rank alpha for your age. Do cardio and diet. Lose off the fat. I lost 100 pounds in 5 months by cardio alone. And start lifting weights to boost your testosterone

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

How much cardio you need to put a week for these results ?

[–]mala_madre8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just learn how to eat and lift. Cardio can be good for health, but how you eat will determine if you gain or loose weight.

[–]chumjetze16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't listen to him, he's lying.

100 pounds would be 350'000 calories. 5 months are 150 days. He's saying he had a daily calorie deficit of more than 2'000 calories a day over a period of 5 months.

How can you have a deficit of 2'000 calories, if your entire maintenance is 2'000, 3'000 or even 3'500 which is quite high and well above average.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Lies, it’s literally humanly impossible. Unless you weighted 400lbs prior to starting...

EDIT; it is possible but too dangerous, nobody should be listening to this guy

[–]Auxfite2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lies? Lol okay bro. I ran 5k (3.14mi) 6x a week I ate 800-1400 calories a day

I went from 246 to 156 in 6 months. OP you can listen to someone who did it or someone who lives in their fairytale fantasy and assumes. Up to you.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re the one living in a fairytale, eating this few calories and being your weight is DANGEROUS.

Stop giving people advice when you’re clueless, this is not the right way to lose weight.

Source: I’m a certified personal trainer & dietetician

[–]I_Dont_Type1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even if it was possible it would not be healthy. It would take years off your life to be in such a large deficit for such a long time.

40 pounds over 5 months is on the higher end of what actually is possible.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree

[–]zero9892 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Chad

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Probably not.

[–]salamchik6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I guess that u have a solid game. Maybe it’s not because of your words but because of your alpha non-needy behavior.

[–]icy_ghost955 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

Non-neediness is my top concern when talking to girls.

[–]send_it_for_the_boys4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

The non neediness also improves your game because you gain time to listen and figure out other witty things and topics to say.

[–]icy_ghost952 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly, it’s key. I can’t stress that enough.

[–]vverons 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

I think I’m coming off as needy. Idk how but can you explain how you do not? If that’s possible.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t over-invest yourself on her. If she takes a long time to reply, take your time too. Be busy, do shit. Or if you don’t do shit, look like you are busy. Only make time for her if she makes time for you. If she doesnt answer, never answer back, and when she does answer, let het wait several hours before answering. Always try short and sweet replies and never explain yourself.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K183 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I like this post.

I guess you're talking about SMV, to do with your looks and weight. I'm not sure what job/income you have.

I think we often attribute SMV to really obvious things like looks, height, job, etc. These things are a definite plus, but we can be really broad, when it comes to value and status.

Women are attracted to behaviour and confidence, imo. Attracted to attitude. Having knowledge and wisdom - which you seem to say you convey to them - can go a huge way. Humour, charm, personality, authority on subjects, can all signal value. As long as you know your assets, and are confident and secure in them.

You don't necessarily need a lot on the outside. Sure, it definitely helps, and I find being tall and every girl falling in love with my blue eyes, doesn't hurt...but really, that means nothing. I had height and eyes when I was BP.

You're right, from my experiences. Truly know your assets, and have deep self acceptance. Wrap yourself in an attitude of abundance, idgaf, no neediness, no approval seeking, frame...and you will slay better than a lot of rich dudes, who put chicks on pedestals, or are arrogant (different to confident).

I guess my point is, and OP proves...really look at what gives you value, what you offer as a person...develop deep acceptance of that, instead of stressing you need to change yourself to be taller/skinnier/richer.

You sound like you have frame...you know your assets. You're confident in them...and you've said you have no neediness, and offer comfort and trust...and obviously you escalate.

You're doing what so many betas haven't...and where so many arrogant (again, different to confident) dudes try too hard.

You probably come off as unique, in a few different ways.

[–]icy_ghost953 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

You sir, totally got my point. You should be the original poster here haha. You said everything better than me.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K184 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, thanks. I like what you've said throughout this thread. This stuff with women, is actually much easier than we think.

I'm also reading that you lead and dominate conversations on deep stuff...but also make them feel heard. I think a lot of guys are afraid to offer anything nice to a woman, like comfort and trust. Really, the more we offer positive emotional value, the more someone wants to reciprocate. It also buillds rapport and connection. As long as we keep a non-needy, non-approval seeking frame. And keep it man to woman.

I really like all this...cuz knowing how to communicate, offers high SMV to women.

You leave a lot of what a guy, Avery Hayden talks about. We don't need high social smv, or even high physical attractiveness. We need to not focus on what we want to take (as nobody wants to give unless they have received)...but what positive emotional value we offer.

Comfort, trust, effective validation, listening, rapport, leading...all with no neediness, abundance/prize mentality, no pressure, no approval seeking...is a killer approach.

No wonder they are blowing up your phone. They are chasing the emotional experience they associate with you.

[–]masterpiece007 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy

ate a lot of woman

Eat random sluts that have had 50 dicks - wow results.

[–]icy_ghost954 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy

It’s not random sluts. As a matter of facts, most of them were religious conservative girls that had very very few relationships.

[–]masterpiece005 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Most church girls are the biggest whores around, they ride the cock train and then when getting on they start preaching to nice beta that they are virgins.

[–]icy_ghost959 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy

Sure, but i am talking here about muslim girls. Algerian, moroccan, tunisian. Slightly different from christian girl.

[–]mangoat12 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Are you white and these girls are minorities? If so that explains a lot

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I’m french arab, they are french arab too. This community is not like the others, we are still attached to our roots and religion, but the mix with the western world (sex, money, promiscuity) put us in a position where we’re torn between the two. It’s complicated.

[–]2comment2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Oh boy, do I have stories to tell you then...

[–]icy_ghost952 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You wont make me learn something new. These girls are my speciality, i know them like no other person here. They’re either in France or in Montreal, Quebec (where i live). So not many of you have come across them. Plus they are french speaking for the majority.

[–]masterpiece00-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I wouldn't even go near sandy girls.

[–]prrraveen1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your smv is 1 or 2 points higher then your plates. So how can you define it low?

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I‘m not sure how to calculate SMV but i define it low because of my height and weight.

[–]prrraveen0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Mans SMV is relative, if you can lay a 7 then you are 8 or 9.

[–]jackandjill221 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting.

[–]AshyLarry271 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Solid post, wish it could have been more clean and organized for an insightful piece in the main forum. People get to wrapped up in aesthetics and lifting. We generally go this route because it is easy to reinforce looks, and to improve someone by getting them to lift and eat right. I think TRP falls short when they start to bash PUA's and I notice more experienced posters act like the superficial stuff is way more important. In reality you just breed more incel BS that way

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just wanted this post to be a contribution to the community and show that there’s more ways to game woman.

[–]3chazthundergut1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am also overweight. Actually I am obese at 5'9'', 280 lbs.

I can confirm; women are attracted to different things than we are. Women are physical creatures too, but they respond much more strongly to mental stimulation than physical looks.

In my own experience, the most important thing is to act like a man. Stand and walk with confidence, speak your mind without filtering, lead the interaction, and act like you've got some balls. That is like 80% of it. Get them laughing too and its game over.

[–]Brain_Beam1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for sharing dude. Extra thanks for taking the time to respond and help drive your point home. Great comments!

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cheers man ! Glad to see that some people got my point here.

[–]keysomea6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

I dont get it ? Its this like a “stroke my ego guys plz I’m really alone on Christmas Eve” kinda post ?

Good for u brah

[–]icy_ghost9516 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’m muslim, i don’t give a shit for Christmas eve. And also, i said that i’m just here sharing my experience and i think it can show another aspect of how to have “success” with girls to the other men on this sub.

[–]keysomea-5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I appreciate ur effort man. But just know that ur post sounded just a bit too flashy thats all

[–]icy_ghost957 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes i get it but that wasn’t my goal at all. I’ve read a lot of trp post and i never saw someone that was in my situation, or that i can relate to. So i made this to show the other side of the medal.

[–]throwawaybpdnpd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t see this post as egotistical, at all. Actually, it is good motivation to improve.

[–]Lambdal71 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because game is superior to smv.

A rich guy with fame and lots of followers but who is just weird has the same results as a poor guy with no job but excellent game

[–]ttkkk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Please stop talking nonsense

[–]ParmeetSidhu 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

How old are you?

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

22.

[–]polarizingpotato0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Any tips for the way you talk and for being charismatic as you mentioned? Also are your extroverted?

[–]icy_ghost951 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I answered the same question to a guy up in the comments. You should be able to find it easily. Also, i’m not much of an extrovert, but i try to be funny and well-read.

[–]mickey__0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So, what points can we got from this post, what did you want to say exactly? Like TL;DR

[–]IamFomTheHood0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

This is very intetesting. Where do you meet these girls?

Cold approach? Online?

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Mostly online and then i meet them. I’ve never done cold approach. Not my style, and it’s seen as harassment these days.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you are meeting them online that means you're very facially attractive.

[–]IamFomTheHood1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I beg to differ mate. I had several dates via cold approaching, many girls can be very receptive. However, i didn't get any real success.

How do you meet them online?
Facebook? Tinder? Also do you live in the West right? Because your experience will be different than someone living in North Africa/Middle East.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I used to do it in facebook but i’m off that now. I do it with my instagram. Bitches love instagram and good storys. And yes i live in the west (Montreal, Quebec)

[–]IamFomTheHood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So you literally just dm random hot chicks and set up dates?

[–]herrazki0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Mostly online

something isn't right here , you're claminig to be low smv but you're having success online, I am pretty sure you have pretty handsome face

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I guess i am somewhat not too ugly when i get my haircut and beard done by the barber.

[–]whitecauliflower0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, you can be as beautiful as you want but hardly matters if you’re not fun

[–]BarackTheObama 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Not hating but why would you eat out bitches in your car lmfao

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Cold snowy night, big skyscrapers and music. I guess the vybe was right.

[–]SexySmexxy0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One thing I've learned is your SMV is both not as low and not as high as you think it is.

[–]ttkkk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I havent read so much bullshit for a long time, until i hit this post and comments

[–]frontyer00770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You will get far just knowing game, I have experienced that myself as I am pretty overweight myself. Still I have hooked up with 8s and 9s. But working on losing weight now as I know it will improve everything in my life.

[–]negrow1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It works also with french girls ? Like really ? I thought they were to shittiest spiecies and hardest u can get ....

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are probably too hard on yourself. Being short is not so bad and being chubby is even seen as attractive by some women. Designer clothes and a good haircut are literally the difference between me getting 3 numbers in a night and getting scoffed at.

The reason why you ask this is because you took trp gospel too literally a lot of it is just cookie cutter stuff the author is convinced works for him.

If someone tall and muscular actually thought he can get excellent results despite being a short fatso it would throw him into massive fits of doubt that would undermine his frame and he would benefit little from objective truth, that desires and attractions are heterogenous.

[–]uniquan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Reminds me of my supervisor who married a 76er's cheerleader.

[–]Naebany0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You say about eating them. But do they reciprocate? If not the it's nothing to brag about.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

They sure as hell reciprocate.

[–]Naebany0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great. Keep it going.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Hey bro can you give me a few pointers what makes you do so well. I'm the same height and buff but I don't do well at all...

Do you have facebook?

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i’ve already gave some advices in the comments bro

[–]KillingIsMyBusinesss0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah that’s cool but are they all 4-7s? Or what? It’s not like you’re getting any HB’s

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why would i want to invest my time, energy, gas and money for girls that i dont find attractive ? It’s nonesense.

I’m driven by the boner i get when i look at the beauty or the body to the girl and sense her sluttiness that she’s trying to hide.

[–]Dickslapperman420 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Basically everything you say is contradictory to the entire point of accepting the truth about women, yet you provide no proof. You are a fedora tipping bullshitter and the response to your thread proves how bluepilled this subreddit actually is. "Game trumps looks, fuck yeah you are natural alpha" holy shit reading some of these comments

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I never claimed i’m alpha, nor redpilled. I came here in all modesty to give another point of view to the community. Nothing more nothing less. You are free to believe me or not, i will not loose a second of sleep over it.

[–]MisterDSTP0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I think its because you finger them and give them head.

Thats honestly what i use big girls for. Not handjobs though, that shits for teens.

But you're right. Thinking back I'd do the same thing with women, minus the giving them head and i think they gre to find you attractive because they like the person you are. And they feel comfortable.. so "might as well let him go down on me"

Be aware though thag this gets increasingly more difficult with hotter babes

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I don’t involve myself with girls that i dont find attractive. It’s nonesense to me. I just can’t get myself to do the effort to game an ugly girl.

But you are right when you say that they probably feel comfortable with me. It’s something important i think for escalating.

[–]MisterDSTP0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I wasn't saying you were only getting ugly girls or that you should.

I'm saying that when you raise your own personal standards the game becomes slightly more complicated.

I get the feeling that the girls you're talking about aren't HB 9s/10s. Which is fine. No offense.

FTR I've dealt with (artsy/liberal) muslim girls who grew up in a religious household. For some reason it seems they are more attracted to the beta with an edge than the hypermasculine bro.

Might be a cultural thing but they are relatively easy using the formula you described in OP.

Make them feel comfortable by being intellectual but not being the dork their parents try to hook them up with. Don't make them feel like you're trying to settle down too soon because she still has to explore life the western way.

But these things more or less dont hold as true with women outside of this subset. If im wrong lmk

[–]icy_ghost95 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

[–]MisterDSTP1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's quality meat, Bro.

I'd def take the one in red over any of my current plates but I still wouldn't classify anyone of them as a dime. But that's neither here and is really a dick move of me to keep bringing up.

I just wanted to piggyback on your original post but also add the fine print that that will likely NOT work as well with HB 10s or women who's SMV is a 10.

And honestly i think youre underestimating your SMV based on your height and apperance. Having game is clutch.

Either way...Thanks for the FR. And thanks for the reminder that i need to return to south of france for some of those muslims and north africans. 👌🏾

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Who are these women? Not interested in your "success" with fatties and uggos.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I dont talk to fatties and uggos. I can’t even get myself to game them. Plus usually they are bitter and mean. Hell some ugly and fatties will give you more hard time than pretty shorties.

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I seriously doubt these girls are objectively attractive. Every so often some asshole will come on here and claim exactly what you're claiming now as a way of mental masturbation. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Post pics. The last time I saw some 50 YO claim to be bagging "beautiful" 20 YO girls the example he gave was HB5 at best.

[–]icy_ghost95 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Y’all haters don’t just give up uh ? You want proof ? There you go:

https://imgur.com/a/ZVC4OqO

The next one that’s telling me “uhuhuh you fuckin fatties bruh uhuh” I’m insulting his mother and all his goddamn family tree. Fuck outta here, thinking im some liar and shit.

[–]Psychological_Radish0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Visible body fat, average face. HB5 confirmed. Would swipe left on Tinder.

[–]icy_ghost95 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

That’s 3 different girls btw. But you can’t see that as you are a very stupid person. Also, i couldn’t give two shits about your looser scale of ranking. These girls aren’t on tinder, higher quality woman that will never give you the time of the day. Loser.

[–]QuantumSpecter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Do you have any advice for how to talk like you lol

[–]BarackTheObama 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Hello folks, I‘m gonna Startoff maybe help nuance all that RP doctrine.

I am 2m and in perfect shape. I have a great haircut and groomed beard and i dress in only fitted designer clothes. I know my way with words (in all languages) and have success with about everyone i talk to. I have received countless dick pics, and fingered and sucked a lot of dick in my car or at their houses. Recently i have been blocking some traps/girls cause i’m a bit tired of them and they’ve become too needy or they wanted too much commitment from my part, some of them they keep coming back and honestly it saddens me to see them like that so sometimes i try to continue to confort them a bit. Even if i know that if the role were reversed, they’d cut me in a heartbeat. Faggots nature.

I have always wondered why someone with a high smv like me and repulsive trait (faggot) can accomplish that much without women. It made me learn that dicks are very very very sensible to sucking, more than we think. I want to highlight here the importance of the way you talk, charisma and clothes. Even if you’re not the tallest or the fittest, you can succeed. Believe me.

That’s all for me fellers,

May god bless you all

[–]WeTheBest101-4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy

So we're supposed to just tske your word for it? Go fuck yourself

[–]icy_ghost956 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Whether you take my word for it or whether you take a dick up the ass i don’t care partner.

[–]WeTheBest101-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, keep coping dwarfboy

[–]icy_ghost95 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

[–]WeTheBest1010 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can only see face of one girl and she is below average, this is your "results"?

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry Brad Pitt, may we see your results please ?

[–]frenulum_maximus 1 points [recovered]  (11 children) | Copy

Maybe im too pesimistic but i dont believe this, 165cm fat guys who are wearing nice clothes and are "goo with words" are seen as creeps, atleast in this part of the world. Or you are getting 3-4/10 women who think they finally found someone to settle for!

[–]Lambdal74 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

You wouldn’t believe how much women appreciate it if a guy just makes them feel good and games them a little without all the pressure and knows all the weird things women are scared off.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

Creeps ? I’m not sure what you’re saying here partner. And it’s definitely not 3-4/10 women, you would agree if you see my phone photo album.

[–]Brain_Beam1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like shit tests, these boys can be ignored. By addressing their comments they feel validated.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah you right. I won’t answer these hateful betas anymore.

[–]frenulum_maximus 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

Anyone can write here whatever they want, i hope no one believes that 165 fat guy can get hot women because he says right words and wear nice clothes, Its worse than pua, maybe if you have amazing face or there is gossip about your big dick/sex skills.

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I know, everyone can say anything on the internet. But i’m only sharing my experience here, you’re free to believe what you want. I would say that if im in a good day, my face is not so bad. The beard and hair are really important for me. Also, i do not have a big dick or gossip about sex skills.

[–]frenulum_maximus 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe im problem because it destroys my incel/blackpill thinking and i dont want to admit its possible. Sorry!

[–]icy_ghost950 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don’t know if you’re trying to be sarcastic here or you’re for real, in the two case you should get some help and read some RP knowledge.

[–]WeTheBest101-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't talk to the retard OP, straight up liar. Never seen 165 cm fatty game girls, only this idiot on the web claims and doesn't provide evidence for this redpill debunktion. He is tipping his fedora as he is making up his fantasy story to cope with being useless

[–]Brain_Beam0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I bet you make all the girls swoon.

[–]haraishi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nah mate seen it real life. Got a mate who is short, kinda chubby looks a bit like a frog but has a hb8 that he cheats on most weekends. He works in a night club part time and we call him the god of game. Funny fucker can get anybody laughing their ass off in 30 secs, girl or boy. Hes not rich or good looking but can talk the pants off a rock, just straight up confident and good with words.



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