Why does every modern portrayal of a father have to be a bumbling idiot? Why can't we have a dad that's smart, cares, and doesn't behave like his wife is his mother? I'm sick of seeing it.
(Edit) Appreciate the comments, upvotes and awards. Did not expect any of these reactions.
[–]hamiltrash1232 26 points27 points28 points (4 children) | Copy Link
so true, the only exception to this is in a weird but lovable show called "American Housewife" it's not what you think, and the dad is a great father, loving, husband and really smart. everything i want to be
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points (3 children) | Copy Link
And let me guess the dad is black because white men are hated?
[–]hamiltrash1232 11 points12 points13 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope the guy is white too, it just took me a little bit to recognize him as an actor since he usually does animated work
[–]TheClinicallyInsane 3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Diedrich Bader right? Really cool guy, does a good batman. He played Rex from Napoleon Dynamite and the neighbor from Office Space, although I swear he's been in loads more (even after I looked at his movies&shows). I should watch that show now since he's a good dad
[–]spinnyd 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He was in the Drew Carey show.
[–]ShoutoutsToSimple 26 points27 points28 points (1 child) | Copy Link
At least they are getting downvoted, but holy fuck, it's stupid how many people are claiming this as yet another example of misogyny. Seriously. We're talking about a trope where the husband is consistently portrayed as incompetent, stupid, lazy, and all-around awful, while the wife is portrayed as a super hero who is carrying both of them on her back. And somehow, people are still convinced that this is misogyny, not misandry?
Good lord, there's no better evidence that our society is biased against men when even something so blatantly anti-man as this is seen as anti-woman.
[–]TacticusThrowaway 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, many of these shows are created by the guy playing the dad, because it's a funnier role and it's based on self-depreciating standup sets. Like Home Improvement.
Still, when all you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
When all you have is an ideology centered entirely around female victimhood...
[–]bufedad 18 points19 points20 points (2 children) | Copy Link
There was a great show not too long ago. It had three sets of parents.
A single dad, a stay at home dad, and a working dad.
The single dad loved his kid and his divorced wife was ambivalent.
The stay at home dad was entrepreneurial at heart and struggled with not working, bit would rather spend time with his kids.
The relationship between all these families was amazing to watch.
I don't remember the name, but I do remember that it was great watching how all the dads were represented.
The stay at home dad had three kids and was amazingly competent.
The working dad was...less competent with kids (as was his working wife)
The single dad was the typical overprotective stereotype normally associated with moms.
[–]slowsuby 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Parenthood? The one with Dax Shepard? That show was amazing.
[–]bufedad 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Guys with Kids.
[–]drukenorc 17 points18 points19 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Uncle Phil from Fresh Prince is best dad!
[–]Aggressive_Ad1680 47 points48 points49 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I can't stand the depressing portrayal of fathers on TV. Homer Simpson just makes me sad.
[–]Bowlnk 35 points36 points37 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Worst part in earlier seasons and i mean season 1 and 2 he wasn't like that,
They had barney gumble as the village idiot/drunk. Then they decided to make him a savant when sober. And down homers IQ went to make him the idiot. And the rest is history
[–]HappyDaysMyDays 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Malcolm in the Middle was the worse portrayal of father and men in general. My brother’s wife trays him and his sons like they are stupid. It is sad man.
[–]Vanriel 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So does Peter Griffin.
[–]vovodiva 72 points73 points74 points (16 children) | Copy Link
If I owned a razor company right now and wanted to take out my entire competition, I would put out an sentimental ad with a dad teaching his son to shave. It would be game over. But the world is just too woke to handle it.
[–]Fondleanddash 16 points17 points18 points (6 children) | Copy Link
You would be boycotted and taken off air unless it was a trans dad and a trans son.
[–]KamadoJonathan 3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Jill-ette did that already w/ a dad and his "trans son"
[–]kvakerok 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm surprised they haven't renamed themselves to Juliette yet
[–]Dungeon_Master_Lucky 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Probably boycotted and taken off air if they WERE trans.
[–]TheClinicallyInsane 7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Any father figure is better than none and therefore any father figure is "a slight on women and mother's and deserves to DIE and deserves to DISAPPEAR because motherhood is THE HARDEST JOB and you should WEEP" or something fuckin or another idk anymore man..
I'm so tired.
[–]l3m0n3225 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
"hardest job" my mom fucking complained because I asked her to open the door for me. I did not even have keys at that time. I had to learn to cook and clean for myself since I was 12 while still having to study, while my mom was always in her room watching tv or listening to music. Didn't even bother teaching me how to do them. Motherhood very hard.
And if you think she's raised me up until then, she's thrown me to my father and I was raised by him until I was 9, when he couldn't handle the pressure anymore.
[–]justicedragon101 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
nah, they would probably be praised and sales would skyrocket if they did that.
[–]ThisIsTheEnd6 9 points10 points11 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Like this?
[–]mattgk39 31 points32 points33 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I’m sorry but I just don’t think children should be undergoing sex changes. That is a huge decision and the risk that they’ll regret it later in life is far greater for a child than for an adult. Children are way too easily influenced.
[–]thatoneshotgunmain 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
agreed wholeheartedly.
[–]Dungeon_Master_Lucky 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
as a trans person absolutely agree. Kids should be given a nickname to use, haircut, clothes, pronouns etc to make them comfortable. But nothing permanent!!
[+]elebrin -14 points-13 points-12 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Except a son's first razor likely isn't being bought by Dad. Even if Dad is in the picture, Mom is buying the razor. Mothers and women in general control household spending. Additionally, Dad isn't going to hear the ad if he works all day or puts effort into avoiding advertisement.
The son's razor needs to appeal to Mom. Hell, she's probably buying her husband's razors too. Why do you think we have three bladed monstrosities that fill up landfills rather than recyclable single blades that fit in re-usable handles (which is what I use)?
[–]foeoffreud 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m probably just really lucky, but my husband buys the razors and the feminine products for the house. I think advertisers should take note that guys are buying things too.
[–]l3m0n3225 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Dunno dude, I had to go to the store myself because my mom was "too disgusted" to get them for me. And we're both female.
[–]Throwaway_Old_Guy 10 points11 points12 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's easier to just stop watching TV than to wish for an honest portrayal of Men and Fathers.
[–]EvilLothar 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Stop watching network TV. It's all trash. They don't deserve your attention, and sure as shit they don't deserve your money.
[–]InteractionReady9033 7 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
A good example of a good dad is bob from burgers
[–]upsidedownbackwards 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The one where he was working as a taxi driver/pimp for Tina's birthday is one of the sweetest episodes ever! He even shaved the 'stache for her.
[–]caem123 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The advertising industry is a cartel with all participants essentially rolling up to a handful of individuals setting policy and procedure for 98% of the industry. Even the large Fortune 500 companies buying ad space have essentially most of their ownership held by a small number of giant investment firms who approve board members who approve senior corporate leadership who approve advertising vendors, etc etc.
[–]totallychadical 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Be a smart dad and turn off the TV
[–]shoetreemoon 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Courtship of Eddie's Father would never be allowed on TV these days.
[–]KamadoJonathan 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Dan Conner and Alan Matthews (boy meets world) were the last set of TV dads I recall being men. Dan didn't simp too hard for Roseanne and they may have fought, but they had each others' back as parents and raising kids.
[–]JaggedGreen88 9 points10 points11 points (4 children) | Copy Link
The only show with this trope that doesn't bother me is Modern Family. Phil is "a bumbling moron" but thats just his soft personality. He's actually smart, canny, witty, caring, and adores his wife and kids.
The gays on that show...are a different story.
[–]ApprehensiveMail8 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a very complicated opinion of Ed O'Neill.
[–]MeLittleSKS 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
idk about that.
Phil is a bumbling moron. He's portrayed as not only less successful than his wife, but she's also the primary caregiver and better parent.
Phil is more like a 4th child than a parent.
[–]JaggedGreen88 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
While I understand your premise i have to disagree. As I said Phil's personality is soft and Goofy. But that did not stop him from being serious when needed. The only character that treated Phil as a "fourth child" was his wife and then mostly during the early seasons.
Which can largely be seen as a projection of her own insecurity as her husband was not only the primary breadwinner but also the more likable and personable of the two of them.
Also during the early seasons Claire WAS seen as the "better parent" because she was a stay at home mom and was the primary caregiver. But once she went back to work the show did a fairly ok job of dividing that roll between the two of them.
As for her being more successful, that was largely a result of nepotism. Phil was a self made, accomplished real estate agent. A notoriously competitive and cut-throat profession, especially in more affluent areas. Phil managed to single handedly make enough money to keep his family in a semi luxurious lifestyle for 20+ years before Claire went back to work. He also later ran that magic shop, and after that taught community College courses; both while maintaining his job in real estate.
Claire needed to go to her daddy's company to find a job and then, after being there for only a few years, was given the CEO job. Likely ahead of people who had been there longer and had more experience. And she still needed Phil's or her dads hand holding on multiple occasions.
[–]MeLittleSKS 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
you make some fair points. and obviously, listing out Phil's achievements and abilities do portray a different picture.
the problem is the portrayal though. DESPITE being this uber-successful guy who must be intelligent and driven and competent, he's still portrayed as a bumbling idiot who can't function as an adult inside the home.
in a way, he's just a realistic Homer Simpson - Homer's most prominent job (obviously he's had a bunch in the show) is a nuclear power plant worker of some kind. An inspector, or an operator, etc.
those jobs are very high-paying, require people that are very capable, well-educated, and motivated. On paper, Homer Simpson works a prestigious successful career, maintains a very comfortable lifestyle for a family of 4 off his income, and sounds great.
but then he's portrayed as childish, stupid, and abusive.
[–]SHINSEGA 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
What happened to Ward cleaver? Or Mike Braidy? And always these man hating wives. Debra "RAY YOU'RE SUCH AN IDIOT"
[–]solemnoak 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The only difference I see between the traditional role and the new one for men with respect to disposability is that maleness and manhood, they used to be celebrated, they used to be admired and they used to be rewarded because it was really necessary and because the personal cost of it to individual men was so incredibly high.
But now we still expect men to put women first and we still expect society to put women first and we still expect men to not complain about coming in dead last every time. But men don’t even get women’s admiration anymore, all they get in return is to hear about what assholes they are,is it any wonder they’re starting to get pissed off?
[–]superfreak77 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly. it's the only way the public will accept men in any kind of power: idiotic and slobbish.
rare exceptions; Tim the toolman, Red the dad on That 70s.
[–]afellowpadawan 2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
You should see Superman and Lois. It's so wholesome and refreshing in that regard.
[–]JaggedGreen88 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I am like 5 eps behind but yes I agree.
[–]Fondleanddash -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Is it trad?
[–]ApprehensiveMail8 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The most accurate portrayal would be a father who is smart, capable, caring and hardworking but is falsely accused of being dumb and lazy in every scene.
[–]kvakerok 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think "This is us" has a pretty decent father portrayal.
[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's why I love balder from a game called bayonetta. He's smart, beautiful and caring. My favorite father figure in fiction!
[–]EPIKBOSS69420 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My main problem is that then my friends all complain because of how the women are portrayed
[–]Legitimate-Ad-6267 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd like to file an exception for Mr Watterson from amazing world of gumball.
[–]LordIggy88 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
We always have Bob belcher
[–]mailordermonster 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Stupid characters make comedy writing easier. Don't worry, there's plenty of stupid women in comedy shows too.