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Law Designed to Catch Men has "Inadvertently" Caught Women, Women Don't Like It.

Bluelabel

November 16, 2020
260 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/17/a-mass-imprisonment-crisis-why-more-women-are-doing-time
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Title Law Designed to Catch Men has "Inadvertently" Caught Women, Women Don't Like It.
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Bluelabel

Upvotes 260
Comments 53
Date November 16, 2020 9:33 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/jvfpig/law_designed_to_catch_men_has_inadvertently/
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Comments

[–]Bojack35 129 points130 points131 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This whole article is hilarious.

Basically just we are being treated more equally and we dont like it.

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 43 points44 points45 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

[–]accidental_me 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The feeling I get is very Orwellian. The amount of doublespeak is bewildering - and extremely worrisome. And it's not only this Australian establishment that is douplespeaking. One of the more respected media outlets doesn't notice - or care - it's douplespeak but treats it as if what they're saying was normal and rational.

[–]duhhhh 112 points113 points114 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Another woman, who remained anonymous, was jailed for 11 months for aggravated sexual assault for sleeping with a 15-year-old male student, following the breakdown of a marriage in which she was abused.

My god! That poor woman. She's a victim!

Let's keep ignoring the fact that most men convicted of raping women were sexually victimized by adult women when they were boys though. http://empathygap.uk/?p=1993

Monsterous men are inherently evil, unlike wonderful women.

[–]rabel111 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, we all know that women who are victims make themselves feel better by raping children. The callous indifference of these sexist pigs to rape trauma inflicted on a child perfectly describes their low ethical functioning. Sympathy for the child abusing pedophile and callous indifference to the victim.

[–]higgs456 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"In which she was abused"

Yeah doubt she just thought the system would go easier on her if she said this lmao

[–]caem123 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the UK, every mention of divorce must include mention of abuse suffered by the wife. Must be a law.

[–]MeLittleSKS 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's just so typical to try and whitewash that evil women. like it's somehow better or understandable that she raped a 15 year old just because she was abused in the past.

[–]Yoshiezibz 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Would you have any more sources for that claim? I'm not saying you are wrong, I would like to have more evidence and to know more about the issue before I start claiming this.

[–]duhhhh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If the link above that (in section 3) references 10 different academic papers spanning multiple countries and decades isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you.

[–]Yoshiezibz 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I am watching great British bake off and assumed it was just an article. I will look through it when it finishes :). Thanks.

[–]Luchadorgreen 54 points55 points56 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And at the bottom of the article they plug their blatant bias and partisan bullshit and then beg for money. Fuckem, I hope they go broke.

[–]connzerjeeass 49 points50 points51 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This just reads like "we wantes to catch violent men but it caught violent woman noooo"

[–]b1ok 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No no, women are not violent, the article states they wanted to catch "violent men" but caught "IMPOVERISHED women". I'm suprised they didn't just say innocent.

[–]bufedad 47 points48 points49 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It comes as a new report by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare found that women in prison have experienced disproportionately high rates of homelessness

Oh, that's hilarious

[–]peteypete78 35 points36 points37 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahahahaha don't you just love equality.

[–]excess_inquisitivity 36 points37 points38 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hurley says that is the case in Victoria, where an “onerous, dangerous and discriminatory bail system” that was intended to target violent men has instead disproportionately impacted impoverished women.

It's not that it was an “onerous, dangerous and discriminatory bail system” it's that it was supposed to catch exclusively MEN and some WOMEN got stuck in the net.

[–]Broadside_Beers 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, certainly didn’t hear any feminists saying it was onerous, dangerous or discriminatory until they found some women were getting hit with it too. Surprise surprise.

[–]rabel111 34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article and AIHW report omit important details from their headlines. The male prison population in Australia increased by 45% (an increase of 12,500), while the female prison population increased by 64% (an increase of 1,400). An additional 1,400 women in prison is characterised as a crisis, a national shame, a tragedy that is inflicted on women unjustly. An additional 12,500 men is prison is ignored.

The report and article stress that the social determinants experienced by these women, makes them victims of the system. The same social determinants were experienced men in prisons, but this is ignored.

This is nothing more than sexist pigs researching people who are like themselves, while ignoring the big picture, the real problem. These sexist pigs believe that they are entitled to ignore the needs of people who are not like themselves, that it's ok to be selectively blind to need, injustice and suffering on the basis sex, race and religion.

The Guardian is a hopelessly biased rag read by the woke left. Its misandry and bigotry are legend. The AIHW is an Australian government funded organisation intended to research epidemiological data on the health and welfare of ALL Australians. However, the organisation is dominated by a radical feminist agenda that treats the health needs of men and boys as trivial, and the health needs of women and girls as primary. This is evinced most clearly in the continuing practice of dehumanising men and boys in their reports by referring to them as "males" (commonly used in reference to animals), while using the more humanised and empathetic terms of "women" and "girls", and the blatant sexism in the report above.

[–]Hotwheelsjack97 25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How dare you apply the law equally! Laws are misogynist!

[–]Mode1961 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In Australia, researchers have identified two possible causes for the increase: either women are suddenly committing more serious crimes and therefore getting more jail time, or laws and policing practices have shifted so that minor crimes are now met with more severe penalties.

Did they not consider another reason, that judges are finally applying the law equally (well sorta) to men and women.

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correlation doesn't mean causation, but when these are the alternatives.....

[–]MeLittleSKS 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah they sorta missed that one lol

[–]Solid-Perspective98 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean even a female child rapist and murderer gets to be relocated to an exclusively female resort where they get to throw clay at representations of men to vent their frustration against the patriarchy. Evidently according to this article even that is too oppressive for them.

[–]Ok-Rush-5486 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"To put people behind bars is really kind of revengeful," said Mary Sanderson, a former art therapist who volunteered at Okimaw Ohci. yeah man, it like plays into this patriarchal bigoted notion of, like, individuality, and doesn't let us express ourselves as a commune. *inhales vape*

[–]Mode1961 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate how they use percentages when the base rates are so far apart. *Although women and girls make up just 8% of the total prison population in Australia, the female prison population increased 64% between 2009 and 2019, while the male prison population grew by 45%. *

That means that MANY thousands more men were sent to prisons and the reason the percentages are higher is because there were so few women in prison to begin with.

[–]Affectionate-War-347 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Hurley says that is the case in Victoria, where an “onerous, dangerous and discriminatory bail system” that was intended to target violent men has instead disproportionately impacted impoverished women."

[–]andejoh 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad to know most men who are in prison never experienced childhood trauma, physical assaults, rough sleeping, mental illness, or alcohol or drug addiction. /s

I remember talking to a woman in (I believe) Norway about prison rape in the U.S. and mentioned PREA stats. She told me they didn't have that problem in her country. I asked her if they didn't have the problem or if no one ever looked into it to find out. She admitted no one ever looked into it.

That's probably why no one ever looks into the back grounds if men entering prison. It's easier to pretend that they came from rosey situations and are just evil. Is it just me or is it odd that they've chosen to make their point by highlighting the story of a woman who's in prison for killing her partner and credits prison for saving her life?

“I can honestly say that prison saved my life and I took every opportunity it threw at me,” she says. “It was important that I bonded with my son, and I am thankful for the programs and education they offered.”

[–]Oishiio42 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wild idea.

If we want to have compassion for women who commit crimes because of circumstances like poverty, violence, abuse, lack of education etc.

Maybe.... Just maybe .... We should do the same thing for men?

[–]CrossfadeAMV 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your crazy dude. Women = little angels. Everyone knows that!

[–]Mode1961 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone notice the "GLAMOUR SHOT" as well of the criminal instead of a mug shot.

[–]Phrodo_00 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It found that women in prison overwhelmingly came from disadvantaged backgrounds and had histories of poverty, domestic violence, social deprivation and childhood trauma.

Because men in prison all come from millionaire, happy, fulfilled families.

[–]MeLittleSKS 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no see the men there are all evil and violent.

[–]CallOfReddit 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's push for gender quotas in prisons then. Could be fun

evil laugh

(/s for the idiots)

[–]d_nijmegen 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I only have one piece of advice to those women.

Stop breaking the law, asshole!

[–]qemist 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Changes to state bail laws intended to target violent men have instead contributed to an alarming growth in the female prison population in Australia

Why should violent women be exempt? the idea of designing laws to target one sex seems sinister and illiberal.

[–]Mario6416 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

you wanted equality but when you get it you don't like it? Well make up your mind.

[+]TehReedster8910 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

"Only 8% of the prison population are women."

A few seconds later...

"Discriminatory laws against women."

It's crazy how well people can delude themselves. I can't even comprehend acknowledging both of those things back-to-back without realizing how absurd it sounds.

[–]contraterrene 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Zero self awareness there.

[–]csgardner 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, this is really poorly written. There's no cohesive flow at all. It's just, "random set of disjointed statistics", "quote that doesn't relate", "pointless snippet of story of someone who went to prison", "another unrelated quote," "more disjointed statistics", etc. If I didn't know this was from a propaganda rag, I would be honestly confused about what the article was trying to get across. It's too disorganized to either inform or persuade. I like this random quote in the middle,

“I can honestly say that prison saved my life and I took every opportunity it threw at me,” she says. “It was important that I bonded with my son, and I am thankful for the programs and education they offered.”

So.... prison was good for this person, why are you acting like sending her was some kind of travesty?

I also like this:

" More than a third had been diagnosed with a chronic condition, 86% smoked, and 74% had used illicit drugs in the past 12 months – particularly methamphetamines. Just 1% of the general population has tried methamphetamine, but 61% of prison entrants reported using it."

Wait, you're telling me using meth might cause people to do dangerous, short sighted things that forces society to isolate them?!? Sacré bleu!

[–]girraween 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Another woman, who remained anonymous, was jailed for 11 months for aggravated sexual assault for sleeping with a 15-year-old male student, following the breakdown of a marriage in which she was abused

Oh dear. You’d never see this writer write like this for a male prisoner.

[–]novhaku 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's avoid the r word as much as we can, shall we?

[–]yoitsericc 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean the main woman in the article got 5 years for vehicular manslaughter. I'd say that's pretty damn light, so even the article's point is kinda stupid.

[–]EastEndMontrealer1 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

[–]mhelena9201 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Female prisoners are poor, chlidhood trauma, abuse, etc..... yes yes yes thats all true, but hello so are male prisoners.

She called male prisoners violent men and women prisoners improvished women

gynocentrism

The irony is feminsits dont understand how badly they hurt women themselves... if society did a massive effort to reduce the suffering of men and boys and improved their welfare it would help women massively and have the biggest impact on crime etc too and even massively reduce domestic violence.

Obviously feminists, as idealogues and extremists are too idealogically possesed to see that

feminsits intervetnions even unreal large ones in SPain have actually made DV worse!

Feminsts are great at raising awareness (which makes it look like they are doing a good job but thery arent), selling books that make millionaires, getting oragnisations set up so they all have jobs and pensions, but the actual issues and women affects.... nada, they usually make it worse.

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Sickeningly improvements in the treatment and rehabilitation of male prisoners is sometimes justified in terms of its effect on women victims, despite men being the main victims of male violence and crime. The idea of there being value in improving the lives of male prisoners, who have often been victims since early childhood, does not seem to be of so much interest.

[–]mhelena9201 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

trickle down gender equality

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Better than nothing, but it is sad. It must be worse than sad for the prisoners if they realise the cost of their rehab is primarily justified as reducing harm to female victims.

[–]mhelena9201 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/07/16/trickle-down-equality-and-framing-mens-issues-as-really-being-about-women/

[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice article.

[–]MeLittleSKS 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

92% of inmates are men

“Too often, discriminatory laws and excessive police powers form a toxic combination that results in more and more women being separated from their families and funnelled into the prison system.”

lol

also fun part is when they say that the women getting stuck in prison more/longer are "impoverished" and victims, but the men are "violent".

[–]SamaelET 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And you know what is the worst ? The laws and policies will be changed so that only men are caught and violent women will be able to walk freely.

[–]Multiman2000 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This article (inadvertently) gives credence to the idea that criminal justice should be restorative for all inmates, by leveraging the sympathy readers have for women, including women prisoners. The article is unduly sympathetic, in that it provides an excuse for the anonymous inmate who slept with a 15 year old boy (She came out of an abusive marriage).

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