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A lesser talked about female privilege is the cost of life insurance. It's more expensive if you're a man. Just got this in the mail. Imagine the outcry if the reverse were true.

annierosewood

October 16, 2020
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Title A lesser talked about female privilege is the cost of life insurance. It's more expensive if you're a man. Just got this in the mail. Imagine the outcry if the reverse were true.
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annierosewood

Upvotes 272
Comments 52
Date October 16, 2020 2:43 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/jcb1qr/a_lesser_talked_about_female_privilege_is_the/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-lesser-talked-about-female-privilege-is-the-cost.842205
https://theredarchive.com/post/842205
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Take heart, gentlemen. Not everyone believes the hype.

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September 22, 2019
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[–]RyansPutter 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has to do with the fact that men die earlier and are more likely to be the breadwinner of the family.

That being said, in the US, women used to pay more for health insurance just as men pay more for life insurance and (if younger) car insurance. Then, Obamacare eliminated the gender differences in insurance and tacked on all sorts of free shit for women - kind of like if your car insurance gave you free oil changes and tire rotations.

So of course, many young, healthy men saw their premiums skyrocket year after year and simply got rid of their insurance, got high deductible insurance, or got short-term insurance. There used to be a tax penalty, but Trump got rid of that.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 31 points32 points33 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

This is the literal example of male tax. You pay more solely for being a man. Start identifying as a woman. If the game is rigged, then you use the loopholes to your advantage.

[+][deleted] -16 points-15 points-14 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Men tend to die at a higher rate then women. We have a high natural mortality rate. I dont think its sexist. It just makes alot of sense

[–]tenchineuro 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We have a high natural mortality rate.

What is the evidence that this is natural?

[+]skaner952 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I agree with you, but the point is that people often claim sexism for certain shortcomings of women compared to men, when there are often other underlying reasons for those differences (i.e. the wage gape) aside from sexism. If women were charged more for life insurance, I guarantee people would be adding that into the "pink tax" bs. Few people care when it's men getting the short end of the stick, but they do when it's women, no matter the actual underlying reasons or causes.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely agree with u. Where men notice unfairness in laws we assume there's a good reason. But if a women saw some unfair she would automatically assume that sexism is being enacted. Thats feminists fault.ugly women are mad about life thats really it.

[+]person_w_personality1 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Some of it is biological but a lot of is because women have an easier time in life than many men and with way less stress.

[–]RockmanXX 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there any actual scientific evidence that Women live longer by default?

[–]Mode1961 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could it have something to so with the fact that the amount spent on women health-specific diseases is magnitudes higher than womens.

[–]TheStumblingWolf 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the way I see it, it's simply business based on statistics.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems like circular reasoning. Men tend to die at a higher rate because men tend to work in riskier jobs to feed their families who have less risky jobs. This stresses their finances so they can't afford to switch to (or take a break to learn the skills for) a lower risk job of similar or better pay. It's a vicious cycle.

[–]_-narli-_ 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If this was reversed you would see riots and outcry everywhere It would even be taught in schools. But no it effects men so who tf cares?

[–]annierosewood[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Sure, I know it's because men have a shorter life expectancy, but that just makes it worse. Men lose twice.

[–]possumwithtaser 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thrice, actually. I'm a man, and all I can do is sit around and woe the day when I turn 25 and go fucking bald.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thrice, actually. I'm a man, and all I can do is sit around and woe the day when I turn 25 and go fucking bald.

Some go bald, some don't.

But if your dad went bald, you may too.

[–]possumwithtaser 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He didn't go bald, but I'm still scared shitless

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The good news is that male pattern baldness is linked to high testosterone levels, so what would you rather have?

[–]Adrien_Jabroni 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pussy

[–]RockmanXX 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But if your dad went bald, you may too.

Actually, Male pattern baldness comes from mother's genetic line. It has Something to do with the X chromosome.

[–]possumwithtaser 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thrice, actually. I'm a man, and all I can do is sit around and woe the day when I turn 25 and go fucking bald.

[–]jinladen040 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Car insurance too despite women statistically not being safer behind the wheel.

[–]KnightofNarg 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can be said that men drive more so there's more opportunities for men to be in accidents, thus explaining the cost.

But put my wife as primary for our car insurance and it dropped about $50/month. Same people, same cars, just different name on the top of the form.

[–]Why_the_hate_ 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It makes sense and is based on data. However, it’s basically like preexisting conditions which I personally do not agree with since health insurance is very much necessary for a lot if not all of the population.

[–]the-real-sheepster 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Men have a higher average income because they take more risky jobs. Men tend to have more risky hobbies, most firefighters and police officers are men risking their lives. Mend tend to die from violence more often than women.

These are all facts I see here often enough in other discussions so we can't just ignore them when it comes to life insurance policies.

We should be better than the average feminist and try to see things more accurately. We shouldn't be cherry picking things like they tend to do.

[–]annierosewood[S] 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the fact that men take riskier jobs is in itself an argument against male privilege. My point is that this whole thing is an argument against the existence of male privilege. No one's cherrypicking. I'm dogpiling. Adding one more thing to the pile of reasons that male privilege is a feminist myth.

[–]xdzgor 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So I guess it's not "men" who have higher premiums for life insurance - it would be "fire fighters", male and female, for example.

[–]samTheCoder 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You took the words right out of my mouth ! Bravo

[–]Mode1961 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AND this is a big one that people forget. THEY WORK MORE HOURS.

[–]Ed_Radley 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reverse is true for long-term care for the same reason, that being women live longer than men. Women also pay more if they get short term disability since most with policies will have a claim if they ever have kids.

[–]Hayden1987 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s bullocks

[–]Solid-Perspective98 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This is largely based on empirical statistics rather than stemming from gender discrimination. Men generally have a shorter life expectancy, undertake more precarious occupations and lead riskier lifestyles. The same is true for vehicle insurance. Statistically, women are more prudent drivers and are less likely to be involved in accidents.

While this is unfair for men who deviate from their demographic norms and present a lower overall risk, women also face this unfairness. Health insurance are generally more expensive for women with all other factors zeroed out. This is because they typically live longer than men and therefore likely to enjoy longer payouts.

[–]Long-Chair-7825 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Gender rating health insurance is illegal in the U.S.

Gender rating insurance in areas where men are worse off is still legal.

[–]ridderrobby 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Came here to point that out as well, there have been outcries in areas where women had to pay more, naughty insurances bad. And you can acknowledge these differences without making 2 different prices, it's called an average.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gender rating insurance in areas where men are worse off is still legal.

Sorry I am not familiar with US policies. Does that means that gender ratings are applicable for products like life and car insurance? That would be outright selective prejudice, not that its something new anyway.

[–]Long-Chair-7825 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

More or less.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's because women use more medical services than men even excluding oby/gyn and pregnancy, Women cost more to insure. But you can't charge them more as that would be sexism.

With life insurance (which the above is), I guess that's different.

[–]xdzgor 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wonder what the life insurance premiums look like based on race.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Ideally, all conceivable factors of the individual can be factually assessed. However, it is virtually impossible to do so. It is just like hospital insurance, where everyone pays the same premium (withstanding NCD and other minor perks for not claiming) but the premium fluctuates annually accordingly to collective claim prevalence. It does not matter if one has any hospitalisation claims.

Hopefully, both the advances of technology and development of forward-looking policies can render insurance products and premiums more individualised and fair. Nonetheless, I am not readily anticipating that though.

[–]Zappaa1142 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think during the presidential debate I learned the ACA mandates no sex discrimination based on sex for health insurance premiums. Of course the "discrimination" was that women paid more for insurance because women, on average, use more services more often. So now men pay more of the share because of "sexism". So we already know what happens when the reverse is true. I'm not very knowledgeable on these things though so I could be wrong.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pardon me for not having much knowledge about your country's policies. I just think its so contradictory for the principle of fairness (regarding unisex premium) to be applicable only for products (such as this) that are actuarially fair for women to pay more, whilst remaining silent about the reverse.

[–]Mode1961 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

WRONG: Women get in more accidents in a number of countries BUT since they do more city driving vs highway driving when they do get in an accident they tend to cause less damage and die less.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I do not have any stats readily available but I guess you are right. Anecdotally, women may be involved in more vehicular accidents but collectively these accidents are more trivial and incur less damages and cost.

Furthermore, many of such accidents only involve the drivers themselves (first party nature), such as scrapping the sides of their cars in multistorey car parks or puncturing their tyres from mounting a kerb. Most drivers do not submit claims for these accidents, nor are most of these frivolous types included in official statistics.

[–]Mode1961 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Here is one of the main issues that I have with stats regarding accidents and men, they use professional drivers in the stats as well which is highly prejudicial as ordinary drivers have nothing in common with them and since they drive WAY more miles than ordinary drivers their likelihood of an accident is way higher.

[–]Solid-Perspective98 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

they use professional drivers in the stats as well

Oh my! I did not know that. That seems way out of context. Driving in professional settings bears no relevance to ordinary driving, not to mention the hazardous nature and high density of men in that field definitely skews the figures against male insurees.

[–]Mode1961 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the big problem, the way I describe it to people would be like trying to find out who breaks the speed limit more by asking if you have driven more the 100km/h (Canada) this week and they do interviews with racecar drivers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Screw insurance, why should men leave anything for women? If I were married to any of the creatures that pass for women nowadays, I'd lie and tell her I had insurance when I didn't, just for a last laugh. I'd use some of the money I'd spend on a life insurance policy, and buy a prepaid burial policy (so I wouldn't end up in a cardboard box if the the wife planned my funeral).

[–]laptopdragon 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, but think about all that money we save on tampons?

[–]iamjesus1991 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never really looked into life insurance but why isn't BMI, exercise level, overall fitness, diet, illness etc factored into these prices?

[–]accidental_me 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the EU that's forbidden.

[–]anothergoodbook -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My life insurance is higher than my husbands. I was in child bearing age and that increased my risk .

[–]Slade_Riprock -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They used to get killed on health insurance though until the Affordable Care Act banned gender or age based premiums.

So they have that privilege their health costs more to insure so now men have to offset that cost too

[–]peter_venture 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You say that, but that isn't my experience. I've been married almost 35 years, and my wife, who is five years older than me, has always had lower insurance rates. Life, auto, whatever, it was all cheaper for her.

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