Men account for 85% of suicides but when suicidal ideation is shown in media, it’s overwhelmingly women.

Watermelon_Soldier · 2020-09-06T05:32:29+00:00

Holy shit that comment section is a graveyard

Armin_C4 · 2020-09-06T08:53:25+00:00

Lol the moderators deleted every single comment

ShortTailBoa · 2020-09-06T04:45:20+00:00

But MRAs only care about silly stuff...like people dying as a result of constantly being insulted and constantly demeaned by feminist.

TC1851 · 2020-09-06T11:12:45+00:00

when a man dies its just a number on paper, when a women dies its a tragedy.

poopoofoopoo · 2020-09-06T08:31:10+00:00

why is every comment deleted on that post?

Rockbottom503 · 2020-09-06T12:23:51+00:00

For me, the most annoying thing here is that even when the media reluctantly admit it, it's always ended with 'but women attempt suicide more!' and the statistics rationaled with 'if only men would learn to talk'.

Detective-Efficient · 2020-09-06T15:02:08+00:00

Actually, I consider this stupid "men don't seek help cause they think that's weak" victimblaming by now. If men were treated equally in social interactions from birth on, there would be less need to seek help. But who cares, create a problem and then sell the solution. Men don't get help if they seek it either, as people just can't treat them as equals. The reason why they have to get help is an objective lack of empathy in society. Men bad, women good. Man injury not bad, woman injury very bad. Man did bad - worthless, women did bad - forgiveness. And so on... Even if you speak up it wouldnt change this. They simply wont care about you as much, even if try hard to pretend something else.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1020583425623

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1948550616647448

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00918369.2017.1374066?journalCode=wjhm20&

https://www.apa.org/monitor/dec04/women

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630?fbclid=IwAR39ZboKYmrHwObLf4JxKk7RxS89skchWxXWccENbZJRFQLYmjZPPQupB80

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5829224/

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2016/june/chivalry-is-not-dead-when-it-comes-to-morality.html

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-04/sfpa-grh032918.php

https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0637-6

Kazzier · 2020-09-06T12:18:24+00:00

What a surprise.....the thread has been locked. Almost like you don't matter as much if your male.

Mode1961 · 2020-09-06T13:15:29+00:00

It got deleted even though it was overwhelmingly upvoted and had 762 karma points, which means it was popular with the residents of that sub, but NOPE can't have that there.

LegendaryEmu1 · 2020-09-06T10:59:34+00:00

Wow, every comment was removed, that is amazing. First time I've seen that.

Too bad too, using removeddit, there were some good comments, the op was kind of an ass though. No reason given for the removal either.

bloopblapbleep · 2020-09-06T11:03:28+00:00

No suprise its been removed

GayWerewolf7665 · 2020-09-06T16:30:21+00:00

I'm confused. Since when did society actually care about men the way that they care about women?

nyarlathotep999 · 2020-09-07T00:30:18+00:00

Because they don't care about actual male suicide as much as female threats of suicide and attention seeking.

TC1851 · 2020-09-08T02:20:40+00:00

Yes. Let's dismiss the takes of a suicidal person. That would make him feel better

Oculi_of_Ungoliant · 2020-09-06T12:21:36+00:00

That's because women are more prone to it...

Women attempt suicide more, but succeed in it less. This is because:

they use less effective methods;
they are less likely to actually want to die, and are more likely to use suicide attempts as a way of seeking help;
following on from the 2nd point, young women are more likely to fall prey to the Werther effect, whereby they are more likely to attempt suicide in the wake of another's suicide (suicide attempts and suicide rates spike when a celebrity commits suicide, for example)

seals77yeet · 2020-09-07T03:51:09+00:00

men get constantly abused and raped, ahh just walk it off, same happens to a girl and they are a monster who should be excluded from a society

2020-09-07T09:24:01+00:00

you could tell it struck a nerve with someone just bow how thoroughly they burned out the comments

techadm · 2020-09-11T03:34:24+00:00

So who cares if it's ideation that is shown in media as overwhelmingly women? 85% of those successfully committing suicide are men - Male suicide has increased dramatically under Covid 19 as especially a man's self worth (rightly or wrongly) is tied to his job and ability to make money. Once the stats are in for this year alone we will see a dramatic increase that would stop people in their tracks if they were women's stats but since is will be primarily men, who cares? Back to elevating women and denigrating men (especially demonizing white male heterosexual christian men) and then no stopping to wondering why this is the group that's leading the pack.

Smoking-Bandit · 2020-09-22T11:52:44+00:00

I mean the resson is obvious.

Who do you think people of either gender will feel more obligated to help/sympathize with, a sad ugly old man, or a sad young pretty woman? Even when there's images of women who committed/attempted it, they are always young and cute. Never some older, unattractive ladies.

And men are to blame for it too. They'll naturally see it as a more sad thing that a pretty girl is dead than some old man. And so will other women.

xNOM · 2020-09-06T12:25:03+00:00

...which is actually why you shouldn't believe any of the "studies" showing that conversion therapy is beneficial for gender dysphoria. They are 100% based on measuring ideation, rather than actual suicide rates.

Ody_ssey · 2020-09-06T05:02:50+00:00

Guessing it's portrayed like that because women are more likely to self-harm and are 3X more likely to attempt suicide. However, men are 2-3X more likely to die because many choose more aggressive methods.

edit for exposure: feel free to disagree-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3539603/

edit again: I'm shocked that so many are disagreeing with facts so I'll lay out some quotes--

"As evidenced by the study results, suicide attempts conducted by females are over 3 times as frequent as those pertaining to males. Females also show a higher creativity in selecting the modes of committing suicide. However, despite the considerably larger number of suicide attempts and the number of women making such attempts, the females are less frequently the victims of fatal suicides, which indicate that they tend to be the “attempters” and “survivors” rather than “performers” of suicides. This finding may be associated with many factors, amongst which the mode of suicide attempt seems to be important."

"World-wide, men commit 2–3 times more suicides than women do, but women make more suicide attempts, which is called the “gender paradox” in suicides [3,9,15,23,24]. This paradox was also seen in our study results."

"Some authors suggest that this “less effectiveness” of suicide attempts undertaken by women may be associated with the methods of these attempts. Suicide attempts made by males more frequently required intensive care and involved a higher risk of death [24], which reflects the more death-oriented intentions of the male attempters."

This isn't a male vs female issue, only highlighting differences. Obviously I'm on the wrong sub to avoid bias.

Foliy · 2020-09-06T07:19:22+00:00

I could spout some statistics and expect you to come to a conclusion, just like this post did, but I have no motivation to. When this says suicides, I'm assuming they mean successful deaths. I'm sure you've heard that men are more successful with suicide than women, and women attempt like 3x more or something like that. You can chalk that up to millitary and PTSD or that men choose more violent forms of suicide over another, twist the story that women only do it for attention. It's not unbecoming of women that they are not as successful with suicide than you can say men are winners when it comes to suicide, winning in being a victim.

WinTheDell · 2020-09-06T07:24:27+00:00

To be fair, parasuicidal behaviour is way more common and women are more likely to display such behaviour.

Title	Men account for 85% of suicides but when suicidal ideation is shown in media, it’s overwhelmingly women.
Author	1nsertclevernamehere
Upvotes	233
Comments	81
Date	September 6, 2020 4:42 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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