Men attacking men

attaxx · 2013-12-05T12:32:02+00:00

I experienced the same talking to my brother, but on a different topic. We come from an abusive home were our father was a very violent person. I've learned that we've come to hate many of men-like characteristics because of that. I started therapy and found out that my mom ( who was kind of a bitch too) messed up badly in that relationship and came at the conclusion that she was as responsable to what happened to us as my dad. This realization made me have peace with my inner masculine side.

When I mentioned that to my bro, he flipped the shit out, he started saying that our mom was great and that our father was 100% the monster in there, he got angry and sad to the point of almost crying ( never saw him like that).

These guys are as traumatized as us, they have been conditioned to believe that a woman is always right and that men are inherently wrong for trying to live a happy life on it's own. It's selfish because they arent sacrificing themselves to please a woman, it's crazy because it destroys the framework of reality that they've created, it's like turning off gravity, or putting them on a friction-less environment, it just doesn't make sense in their heads.

unsungman · 2013-12-05T18:13:36+00:00

First...you're younger than me but only by a few years. I'm about to turn 25 this month. That being said, more and more guys are acting "catty" towards other men. Just like women. It's pathetic. But that's being "mean" in the "Mean Girls" sense.

Nonetheless, I know it can seem like you're doing them a favor by dropping RP on them but you really don't benefit at all by it. In fact, you may stand to lose. Imagine you "converting" them and now they're gaming YOUR girlfriend with the same "I'm going to fuck your girlfriend with no fucks given" attitude that is accepted or at least "understood" but not morally sanctioned by some here.

It can be insulting to tell a man without a GF that he shouldn't get married. Dude isn't getting any pussy. Instead, it might be better to show him WHY he shouldn't by presenting the benefits which are achieved via RP. Once a single guy gets a taste of it with multiple encounters w/ women he'll probably be more open to the idea.

Either way, it can be frustrating but don't beat yourself up about it. Just think twice before trying to convert.

vivalaredpill · 2013-12-05T17:39:32+00:00

Political correctness is a brilliant way to control the masses. It gets the sheeple to police themselves, thus keeping each other in place. The power elite don't even have to lift a finger once they've set up the "cultural infrastructure" that way.

(As an atheist, I believe religion serves the exact same function, but I'm not trying to isolate the religious red pillers here.)

Lupo3825 · 2013-12-05T16:55:19+00:00

I was explaining to a buddy of mine over drinks once at a bar about being able to talk to women. Him not having much luck with females, I tried to show him how easy it was to do so. Some chick walks by, and I stop her, and ask some questions. Nothing special, just enough to show that it's no big deal. She leaves, and I forget about her, no problem. Next thing I know, her brother comes over in a confrontational manner asking if I was bothering his sister. Really? You're out drinking at a bat with an attractive female, and you're willing to fight some guy who asks her a couple of questions? No game was thrown, no contact made, but obviously I deserved to die...

IIHotelYorba · 2013-12-05T16:29:44+00:00

Gynocentrism is a helluva drug. Be ready for this kind of reaction any time you state an opinion that runs contrary to groupthink.

secularist42 · 2013-12-05T12:21:19+00:00

You can't force TRP onto someone. They have to be ready for it, to have had the life experience that will allow it to resonate appropriately. Otherwise their still plugged in ego is so invested in their existing world view they will ferociously defend their Blue Pill mindset. This is to be expected.

Daddy45 · 2013-12-05T14:11:28+00:00

Did you present it as "Men shouldn't get married," or did you simply comment "Meh. I'm not getting married. Screw that"? Did you challenge their beliefs or did you just present your own beliefs?

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vengefully_yours · 2013-12-05T16:38:03+00:00

They are young, have zero experience, and thus they are sheep. After a few years of getting cheated on and dumped by ugly fat chicks, never fucking good looking women, they will wake up. If they never get laid thy will probably continue putting women on a pedestal and still not get laid.

They believe the bullshit on TV and in movies because they don't know any better. They were told that shit by authority figures, so they will defend it like a religion, and its just as illogical and without merit.

trudatness · 2013-12-05T18:09:02+00:00

For the sake of argument lets say you had the money to do something like this - and speaking strictly in hypothetical terms - went about doing the following:

Unbeknownst to them hired 4 very hot (read expensive) escorts to show up with you at the dorm with bottles of alcohol and fat blunts one night under the guise that they are just regular girls you pulled from a local bar to come back to the crib and party...

You turn on the music, pop open the bottles, light up the blunts and have a party. The girls are under strict orders to bed your roommates after partying for a bit.

Would any of your roommates be man enough to put dick to the women throwing pussy at them?

My guess is no. However, my other inclination is that if they do in fact pull the trigger - after they get a dose of some hot debaucherous ass you might have a better chance at revealing the truth to them.

A White Knight is nothing more than a dude trying to rationalize his inability to get pussy. That's his hamster. Refusing to recognize his own deficiencies, he lies to himself about the existence of a higher ideal. He becomes rigidly lost in that belief, because not believing in it means accepting his failure.

[deleted] · 2013-12-05T15:57:54+00:00

Confronting the fact that you're living a lie is very painful.

The natural response to pain is anger at its apparent cause.

Only the best people are willing to look past the apparent cause of this pain and root out its real source.

Hardparty · 2013-12-05T19:12:03+00:00

Holy shit, you're telling me that there are men out there who believe whole-heartedly that their sole purpose is to provide for a family one day and sacrifice the fun in their lives once they get married. I have a hard time wrapping my head around this. You mean some of my friends believe their days of fun are limited, and that they have no bearing on when they will eventually be captured by the beast that is marriage?

So as in death, marriage is inevitable, and they better find the right one fast before they are crucified for not doing their part in society.

milehibroncoguy · 2013-12-05T13:54:42+00:00

ask them if they would voluntarily hop in the "give away half your money and possessions" line, 'cause that's they'll be doing involuntarily if they get married

_DiscoNinja_ · 2013-12-05T17:21:20+00:00

The one super religious one wasn't even this offended when I jokingly questioned some logical fallacies in the Bible a month or so ago.

How possible is it that their reaction had something to do with the delivery of your position rather than the idea itself?

the_red_scimitar · 2013-12-05T21:28:44+00:00

Treat them like the women they are. Amused mastery. Hold your frame. Pat them on the heads and tell them it's okay. Don't bother arguing - they're just hamstering.

deville05 · 2013-12-05T21:47:11+00:00

Its not about using logic. Its about an external source shattering a perspective of life that one has had and developed for many years. We like to think that all men are logical. But truth is that we are obtuse when it comes to things we believe in. Love, religion, tradition, superstition, marriage etc are all examples of such things. Men go to war when ideologies collide. The ego cannot accept that "I" have always been wrong. What if tomorrow someone managed to turn TRP on its head and logically explain how its a load of crap?! Would most of us, especially those who swear by it, be convinced overnight and accept it?! Or do you think they would react just as the bluepillars do?! Its all conditioning man. Sometimes its done to us and other times we do it to ourselves. Change in ideology and understanding can only be successful through gradual change in personal experience and growth. No one can really beat it into you.

[deleted] · 2013-12-05T15:30:38+00:00

You're 21, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.

Worry about yourself, not these other guys. Study hard, find a good career, work on your body, learn game, etc. Now is not the time to spread your "wisdom" to others.

NEVER get in a religious debate with anyone.

Manuel_S · 2013-12-05T13:46:48+00:00

"It was as if I shattered their universe."

Dude, you did.

This is the correct, educated answer

pcadrian · 2013-12-05T14:21:34+00:00

You should feel safe. You are surrounded by white knights.

LuciusExitius · 2013-12-05T16:16:24+00:00

People will say you are too negative. They say that "If you always want to live your life thinking the worst of a situation...." Its not about being negative its about protecting yourself, plus who needs a piece of paper anyway, I might have a ceremony but I would never sign the paper unless I really felt that she was worth it.

[deleted] · 2013-12-05T21:25:27+00:00

Men /are/ women these days. I think back and look upon the person I used to be and everything masculine about me was completely defeated.

Here's what you need to realize. People who live life by their own standards are about one in a million. Everyone else is just a product of the Zeitgeist, and the zeitgeist right now dictates that men cater to women first, so men who grow up in this environment will believe it.

Hidrosiss · 2013-12-06T03:14:58+00:00

When I was 8 years old, my brother was the most alpha person in my life, but I didn't know it. He would pick me up from school everyday and while walking, then eventually driving home, he would get at every hot girl he saw. Idk why, but I would get so embarrassed at the time. I think society has made betas view alphas differently; they don't recognize or rather, admit to themselves that they are beta and they are fucked. It happened to me, I talked about the red pill and what it means to a few of my friends and they thought I was retarded. They have never had girlfriends in their lives.

7Vega · 2013-12-05T17:36:37+00:00

You ever hear the story about the fox losing his tail?

Misery loves company and betas hate alphas.

[deleted] · 2013-12-05T17:55:52+00:00

The problem is both men and women don't know how to apply logic and reasoning into discussions, whether these discussions involve the topic of marriage or anything else (Iike politics). Its much easier to yell and ignore than it is to think critically. Essentially you can't have conversations with people unless they want to be involved in the discussion. If you are going to say something that will counter their beliefs they don't want to hear it unless they ask to hear it.

cossackman · 2013-12-05T20:03:36+00:00

This guy is a Troll?

kratol · 2013-12-06T01:39:21+00:00

I focus on saying I don't like the marriage paperwork and license, not the marriage relationship. Then I would go on how government involvement really fucks things up and go on to how much of a trap it is for men. How it should just stay a purely social thing. If they support gay marriage too, make parallels about how none of that would of been an issue if government wasn't involved in marriage in the first place.

I think every guy has some sort of uncle larry or their father that was fucked over by some divorce or another.

Title	Men attacking men
Author	PastaToots
Upvotes	51
Comments	60
Date	December 5, 2013 11:40 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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