It would be dangerous to the mental health of a rape accuser to play a video that exonerates the 12 younger men falsely accused of rape.

benderXX · 2019-12-30T12:49:48+00:00

Apparently video exists of this incident. If she is willing to destroy twelve young men’s lives than it should be available for public scrutiny. And did anyone catch the ages of the men are much younger. Did she have sex with 15 year old ??

Cookiedoughjunkie · 2019-12-30T17:25:14+00:00

Reminds me of the case a while back in my state where a dude got accused of rape but had proof he didn't do it so the judge demanded he delete the evidence that would exonerate him.

OneSilverDollar · 2019-12-30T15:37:03+00:00

Playing the video would be dangerous to the accusers mental health? Wow. I'm sure the "damage" to her mental health is nothing compared to the collective damage done to the 12 men if they were imprisoned because they couldn't use this vital evidence in court.

bbbr7864 · 2019-12-30T20:27:43+00:00

Fuck the false accuser's mental health.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2019-12-30T16:29:07+00:00

Reading through the article, it seems like the biggest issue here are the police.

"She said that interrogators threatened to arrest her if she didn’t admit she had lied and that she didn’t think she would be allowed to leave the police station if she didn’t sign a confession. The woman said she was denied access to a lawyer during the eight-hour questioning". The courts also note that the police do not have a video of the eight-hour interview, which is pretty fucked up. To interview somebody for that long and not be recording it? That is fishy, even if this was a false rape claim.

The defender also had "presented the court with text messages sent between the Israelis that it said showed the alleged rape was planned in advance."

These text, the nature of which does seem ambiguous without proper context, included comments such as “'She’s going to get fucked tonight' by 'them all' and that they would have an 'orgy' with her. One of the suspects also later told police during questioning that the group had discussed having sex with the woman in a 'bad and aggressive' manner, British media reported Wednesday."

What seems clear is that whether the sex with all or some of the males was consensual, the video taping of the sex act was certainly an issue.

Moreover, I think it is important to remember how manipulative police can be. The folks in this forum should be very much aware of that, most notably with the Central Park Five. Police harassed those young boys into making relatively innocent confessions with the promise of being released only to use those confessions to lock them up for years.

And this happens in both directions. A victim of serial rapist Marc Patrick O'Leary was dismissed as a false rape claim after detectives didn't believe the victims story and convinced/pressured her to recant, eventually leading to criminal charges against an actual rape victim.

Based on the evidence put forward in the case above, it seems clear that the certainty of either side of this case is unclear. And frankly, if there was a rape, and the victim had to sit through a video of the event, or know that other people were watching a video of her being gang raped, then that would be horrible for her mental health. Keep in mind, this is not a trial to convict the males involved of sexual assault (in which case I would strongly advocate for the tape being played) but a trial to determine if the rape accusation was false. The video cannot prove it unless everything leading up to and following the event was recorded, so whatever consensual acts appear on the tape, the taping of the event itself was not consensual and there may have been acts before or after the the video starts that were not consensual.

Moreover, we don't know that the video does exonerate those involved; that was not stated in the article. We only know that the prosecution wanted to show it. It may support their case but not exonerate the boys. Nor do we know whether the video depicts the entire event, or only part of it out of context.

I don't know what went on that day, or what the context was, but one thing that is clear is that the police were certainly out of line interrogating somebody without a lawyer and without filming/recording the entire interrogation. I hope that is something we can all agree on.

As the victim of a false rape allegation myself, I know how damaging this can be, so I recognize the importance of addressing these issues. But the same laws that we need put in place to protect young men and boys from police/prosecutor who want to push a conviction at the expense of the truth need to be in place for everybody.

MRRamming · 2019-12-30T19:27:11+00:00

God forbid a false accuser be traumatized

Electroverted · 2019-12-30T20:14:35+00:00

The 19-year-old, whose name is barred from publication

Hwhy??

2019-12-30T22:02:16+00:00

More than a dozen women from an association for the protection of women attended court wearing white scarves with an image of lips sewn shut printed on them.

As the defendant was led from the court with her face blindfolded to shield her identity, 20 protesters chanted: “We are with you” and “We believe you.”

“The way the case of this young lady was handled by the police and Cyprus government was wrong,” said one of the demonstrators, Maria Mappouridou.

Another protester, Helena Gonata, said “everyone will find a reason not to believe her. That’s the case with rape — no one will believe you.”

“We’re trying to encourage women to talk. Many women are afraid to come forward.”

Complains about no one believing rape accusers, yet blindly supports cases where there is evidence of a false accusation. Not doing themselves any favours, here. Oddly enough, if the girl in question had sewn her lips shut, she wouldn't be in the position of going to jail for wasting the police and court's time. Still a win for her, she should be going away for a lot longer after falsely accusing 12 men of a severe crime.

huxepenner · 2019-12-30T23:18:52+00:00

And whenever a woman is caught making false rape allegations, the reaction from feminists is always "oh the poor, poor woman" (see link). How about the poor, poor men who went through hell and may have lost their jobs, friends, spouses and their life over this all because of her?

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3781263-British-woman-found-guilty-of-making-up-rape-claims

PoliticsBigAssBlast · 2019-12-30T16:07:38+00:00

Marios Matsakis, a forensic pathologist, said the woman's injuries were consistent with rape.

she was diagnosed as having underlying PTSD, which was reignited by the alleged attack.

described it as “a very worrying conviction” that disregarded medical and video evidence of the rape.

I also believe her retraction came after being in the police station for 7 hours and being refused a lawyer

Something seems off about this and i think it will be going to the EHCR, i think we should wait before making any conclusions about this.

azazelcrowley · 2019-12-30T22:13:39+00:00

Has she confessed she made it up and doesn't want to see the video?

I could see a case for not making her watch it then, it would seem pointless and humiliating.

Is she still claiming they raped her? Then it's necessary.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-12-30T22:52:09+00:00

dangerous to the mental health of the accuser

What about the legal rights of the victim (in this case, the accused)?

Title	It would be dangerous to the mental health of a rape accuser to play a video that exonerates the 12 younger men falsely accused of rape.
Author	benderXX
Upvotes	899
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Date	December 30, 2019 12:46 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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