Sexual Market Value Scale (For Women)

theScarlettWoman · 2017-04-04T04:37:22+00:00

OP, you have now asked your SMV/RMV questions in two different posts and received comments and answers that range from hilarious to helpful but have only proved to be argumentative in return. This is what our community has for you, whether you find it helpful or not.

teaandtalk · 2017-04-03T14:12:48+00:00

Meant to take a hiatus from RPW/Reddit but I stumbled across your posts and read the majority of your previous posts and I'm hoping my comment can be of some value to you:

You seem to be treating relationships like a recipe. You have all the necessary ingredients to make a perfect recipe for a dish, but you said that the guys you meet seem to always lie about wanting that dish and then dump you for a girl who has the same exact ingredients as you except hers aren't as fresh or quality.

So why do they prefer "hers?" (There's a book called "Why Her?" That I recommend you read). From what I know in my young life, finding the right relationship shouldn't be like creating a recipe. But if it is, then the secret ingredient would be simply love.

It does not matter how "perfect" you are on paper or how impressive your dating profile is. All of this is only enough to get your foot in the door with men & I think that's what you're learning based on your previous experiences.

My heart kind of aches for you because I get the impression from your posts that you feel you're not enough, but you ARE. You don't need to continue lowering your BMI, or forcing yourself to have a million hobbies, because at the end of the day I think a good relationship is about an authentic connection between two souls.

Your entire dating history sounds very transactional and it's hurting you unfortunately. It's not easy for anyone to find a 'soulmate' so don't be so hard on yourself, but also you don't need to be overselling yourself so much to the point where guys feel like they're buying you/your high-quality value - because I don't think that works.

I know you say you've tried everything, but I really believe that some more deep self-reflection on your part can help you generate and reveal that authenticity that not only men, but everyone fall in love with.

It's about an authenticity of spirit, mind, heart in the individual that is a prerequisite for a relationship. When your authenticity matches/complements that of the right man, then an authentic relationship blossoms and it is completely irresistible to him no matter your hip-waist ratio or # of degrees. There is no "formula" for love, but if there is, patience and authenticity is the secret ingredient I'd say.

Shaela90 · 2017-04-03T13:23:06+00:00

Everyone is a 'type', yet you can increase your SMV within your own type, the way I see it.

There's a huge difference between a, let's say, curvy, fleshy woman who knows to flaunt her assets, is always dressed nicely, works out and wears flattering make-up and the same woman dressed in baggy/too tight clothes that just don't do it for her and is always unkept and all over the place.

Ofc, any guy who is into super slim women will not really notice the woman in the above example but which example do you think will appeal more to some other man who doesn't really have a physical type or is into curvy women?

There's a quote going around saying something along the lines of 'You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world and you're still going to find someone who hates peaches'. Point is that even if you improve your SMV to the max, there will still be people who just find you unattractive. But I bet someone like Kate Moss (for example) doesn't really think about all the potential suitors she could have if she were curvier and that's because she would have a high enough SMV within her own bracket, being constantly asked out by men who are into more skinny women.

Baseline would be that there always are so many things one could do to increase their SMV, it doesn't even pay to think about 'types'.

MilkTeaTime · 2017-04-03T15:06:23+00:00

Real question: is this a troll account?

BurritoBabycakes · 2017-04-03T13:49:47+00:00

Improve how you name a bunch of fairly irrelevant things as rendering SMV invalid, and then qualify it all with "assuming she is already very feminine", which is what SMV is all about.

faerie87 · 2017-04-03T20:13:05+00:00

It seems you are too focused on looks and from what you claim, there's no issue. I'm a 6-6.5 and I have no issues tying guys down.

I have a close friend that is a 7-7.5 and she's never had a good relationship and always has problem tying guys down Mostly because she's not interested in the type of guys who pursue her and do want to commit

But also she's not a very positive person. Complains a lot. She's fun to be around but she has issues and anger management. So nearly all guys who get to know her well don't want her as a gf.

She probably thinks she's great with high smv, exercising and cooking multiple times a week, good job, etc. But she has a lot of work on her personality.

mwait · 2017-04-03T13:29:06+00:00

Pass/fail is equally subjective. A pass for one man could be a fail for the next.

The whole premise of the SMV ratings, for both men and women, is based on the average person's response to a physical characteristic, as indicated by each gender's biology. It is also why the scale ends at a 9, instead of a 10.

For instance... The vast majority of men will respond positively to a woman in her early-mid 20s, with a classicly beautiful symmetric face, with long hair, who is 5'6" with a thin waist and moderate bust/ass. She could viewed as an 8. Certain men's personal preferences will push her up another point or two. Say if she was blonde and one loved blonde women, and placed a lot of emphasis on hair color. This women could be a 9 to that man. But to another, who prefers dark hair... she is just a plain 8. Or even a 7-7.5 to a man who hates blonde hair.

Same holds true for men. The vast majority of women prefer a man above 6'0" who has a decent build with low body fat, and a strong jaw. These characteristics are inherently masculine and most women find them attractive. But there are always going to girls who prefer a slim frame/build of a man... or who prefer more feminine facial features. Etc.

Personal preferences account for a 1-2 points fluctuation at most. No one is going to look at an objectively gorgeous woman and say "She has blonde hair! She is only a 3!"

cynicalhousewife · 2017-04-03T14:41:19+00:00

Most people love pork and strawberries. I find both those foods vile. To the point where I only have to think of them and I don't want my dinner. However if you were to ask most people what they like to eat they will say they like bacon and strawberries and cream. I'm sure a buffet with bacon with strawberries and cream would be more popular within the general population than tofu curry, which is a meal I like. I think certain things are popular and most people like them but they are never universally sought after. You are always going to find people who dislike popular things.

[deleted] · 2017-04-03T19:48:16+00:00

Hard find a good man these days. Lol

Banincoming · 2017-04-03T12:52:52+00:00

You could say the same thing about food, but we still can rate that 1-10.

RedPillWonder · 2017-04-03T14:27:02+00:00

Proportion matters.

Even for guys who like large breasts or a big butt, it's a turn off if a woman is, say, 5'2 with a 38DD chest and looks like she's about to topple over. Or a thinner woman with the exception of what looks like two Volkswagon beatles stuffed in her jeans.

It just looks "off" and unattractive to many men.

Men like proportion. Usually something as close as possible to the golden mean. So having an unusually large bust or butt for your overall size/body frame may not be helping one's SMV.

Second, firmness and complexion goes a long way. Men love clear, tight skin. You can have a good BMI but if your skin leaves something to be desired, it lowers your SMV.

Third, while some men like it, a lot of men are turned off by the bodybuilding look. Men like fit, toned and feminine, not super ripped abs or too much bulk on women. Generally, for most men, slender or toned is more attractive and feminine than somewhat muscular, bulky thighs, square obliques and the like.

As mwait noted, personal preferences can make up a point or two, but a very attractive woman is a very attractive woman, regardless of whether she has certain traits they may find even more appealing.

[deleted] · 2017-04-03T13:53:22+00:00

go log onto bumble. that's effectively a ranked ordering of SMV. when you first load the app, it shows you the most right:left swiped people top down, in order. there are some preferences, but there are blatantly obvious winning attributes that more males prefer, and losing attributes as well that less males prefer (or even repulse men).

cue the porn industry... they literally make money off of sexual ideals. blondes tend to win in the sub-25 category, but brunettes take over by 30 as brunettes age much better. and sure, some guys like some meat on the bones, but they're a rarity. a woman who is 19-21 BMI is sexually ideal for most men. also, "curvy" has been co-opted by fat women. think the original coke bottle, not a pear.

Shouldn't it just be pass/fail?

definitely not. a guy will readily accept easy sex from a girl 3 points lower than him, but he'd never commit to that same girl. this is why the carousel is so bad in causing alpha widowing. men are the keepers of commitment, women the keepers of sex. the only way for her to get attention from guys above her SMV is require less commitment, and be easier with sex. girl is fucking way above her own SMV, and most will then think that's their own SMV. it isn't. eventually, she decides she needs to start getting commitment, realizes she can't get it from the same SMV guys, and the only guys she can get commitment from are losers. she's been alpha widowed because now she's been sexed by guys way above anything she'll ever be able to get commitment from.

moreover, guys regularly add in even more gradations than the standard HB1-10 scale. sometimes it's saying 7.5 or "soft 8, solid 7". and then post-wall women often get something else entirely... sometimes guys say "she's an 8 done up, but a natural 5." every girl does shit to improve her looks, but as women hit the wall, some do way more than others, whether it's in the areas of makeup, or hair products and techniques. some dress nicely, but others go as far as wearing shaped clothes (push-up bras, body stockings). in that case, a guy who is a 7 might hook up with the 8/5, but most 7s won't commit to her.

refelgallo · 2017-04-03T13:23:13+00:00

A males taste (preferences) change over time. What I sought in my 20s bores me now. If you do not have an hourglass figure, at a minimum her bust should not be smaller in circumference than her belly. Or the inverse, would you seek out a guy with a beer belly?

Physical attributes aside, the more you are open to in the bedroom (and perhaps even in public) the higher your SMV could be. This is not to imply sleep with him on the first date, just let him know that your hard no list is shorter than what you would do.

Personally, I use hexadecimal to rate others' SMV looks, personality, sexual openness, social compatibility.

rhettdu · 2017-04-03T17:49:14+00:00

Someone once made the comparison to the housing market. I might like things you don't and that's fine, but some things are universally liked, or liked by enough people to significantly increase demand.

I'm not interested in the nearby schools, but enough people are that it drives up the market value regardless of what I want. You might night be interested in tall guys, but enough girls are that the SMV still applies.

Niche appeal generally doesn't increase value, and in some cases may impair it unless you represent the very top of the market (which, of course you do - you damn fine!)

Omnibrad · 2017-04-03T13:22:30+00:00

Different men are going to have completely different types. One man may loath blondes and another man may loath tall women or women without curves.

Guy says "I loathe blondes" will not let that stop him from banging a hot brunette. Guy who says "I loathe tall women" wouldn't let that stop him from having his dick sucked by a tall girl eager to please. Guy who says "I loathe women without curves" might even be gay so who cares what he thinks.

All you can really become is the best version of yourself.

Right. It's just that when you are the best version of yourself, and another girl is the best version of herself, a man will still be attracted to one more than the other. Sure he might have preferences, which might mean a 5 blonde might have better luck than a 5 brunette, but a 10 of any hair type overcomes preferences.

pewpsprinkler · 2017-04-04T00:33:16+00:00

The SMV scale isn't useless. People's tastes may vary, but you have an aggregate/average that shows 1 woman is overall more desired than another.

There might be a guy out there who like smelly fat hairy women. He may or may not be the legendary bigfoot in disguise, but rest assured there is only 1 of him, and millions of men who like slim women in good shape with T&A, and attractive faces.

Title	Sexual Market Value Scale (For Women)
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Date	April 3, 2017 12:09 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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