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President of the United States: ‘Very scary time for young men in America’

JohnChrissy

October 2, 2018
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Title President of the United States: ‘Very scary time for young men in America’
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JohnChrissy

Upvotes 112
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Date October 2, 2018 6:45 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points73 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

This is an example of why I think a lot of people voted for Trump.

He doesn’t toe the line and buy into the PC talking points: he calls it like he sees it.

And this is a goddamn fact.

[–]Argosy37 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this one of the first times a prominent politician has really talked about the current plight men are facing? I'm wondering if this is a turning point.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the is the first time. Everyone else, Dems and even Republicans pander to the female vote; its always about "closing the gender gap" for the GOPe types

[–]The_Best_01 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He said something about false accusations before, but yeah, this is one of the first times. I doubt it will be a turning point.

[–]OnlyTheRealAdvice3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Well, he has been making direct change. Look how he is changing universities lack of due process.

[–]The_Best_01 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess that's something. I don't know how much difference it's actually making though.

[–]CosmicPaddlefish 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The practices used by universities are so ludicrous I'm certain virtually any new person in the Department of Education would have reformed them. The Dear Colleague Letter isn't popular among anyone who actually looks into it.

I have not heard Donald Trump mention anything about it. It's mainly Betsy DeVos doing it and it's probably the only issue she's right on. I did a lot of research when I wrote an article about it in my student newspaper, so if he said something on the subject I would know.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can’t think of another example

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this one of the first times a prominent politician has really talked about the current plight men are facing?

No, but it's the first time one has done so without laughing!

[–]CosmicPaddlefish 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it was any other President, then I'd be happy, but unfortunately Donald Trump poisons almost anything he touches. Even when he's somewhat right, like South African land expropriation being a terrible idea, he turns people against it because he fucks up somehow. In that case, he repeated the myth of an epidemic of murders against white South African farmers.

There isn't enough data to prove South African farm killings are racially motivated. While the murders are tragic, murder rates are high for everyone in South Africa and even worse in poor rural townships, where the victims are mostly black. There are also similar murders against Indian farmers.

This misinformation led to many people in America praising land expropriation when they would have condemned it earlier.

[–]xNOM 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's exactly why. There are some political issues where people are SO tired of being lectured and bullshitted to by politicians and "journalists."

[–]thefilthyhermit 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are some a metric shit ton of political issues where people are SO tired of being lectured and bullshitted to by politicians and "journalists."

[–]The_Best_01 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He also clearly lies about a lot of things and he knows it, but yeah the fact he's not PC was a big reason.

[+]--AJ-- -14 points-13 points-12 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Bull shit.

Fucking degenerates- all of you.

[–]DryAsparagus6 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you've convinced me, for one. Very effective!

[+]SilverBuggie -11 points-10 points-9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe, but they are just mentally weak men

Being wrongfully accused has long been a problem for some minorities.

Bur trump supporters only think it’s an issue when they think it might affect them personally....and why? Because they can’t fucking read women lol

[–]tmone 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just stop.

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points53 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Man, I'm leftist, didn't vote for trump.

But damn, he's not wrong.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're leaning close to socialist, you aren't a leftist.

You have no idea. I think I lean too far left that even democrats think my ideas are extreme.

Example: Not gun control, but complete prohibition.

[–]cld8 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Even a broken clock is right twice a day!

[–]OnlyTheRealAdvice3 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but we are talking about trump. He is right a lot more than a broken clock!

[–]cld8 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Meh, I disagree with him on most things. His stance on men's issues is one exception, but I think he's doing it more to stick it to the Democrats, than out of any real concern for men.

[–]furchfur 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not so sure. It gets men who voted for the democrats thinking that just maybe Trump has a point.

[–]cld8 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It gets men who voted for the democrats thinking that just maybe Trump has a point.

I don't think so. I consistently vote Democrat, and I'm not going to change my vote based on this issue. It doesn't outweigh my views on the economy, immigration, and other major issues.

[–]bludgeoning 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or in this case twice a presidential term

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because the clock seems to be broken does not mean it is broken. Some clocks are just very good actors.

[–]Peanutpapa -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He is though. How is it a dangerous and scary time for me and other young men? It’s not.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you work with women?

One report, ONE REPORT even when not backed by evidence is the end of not just your job but your career. HR reports this to your future potential employers.

Do you go to college? It’s even worse there.

[–]Peanutpapa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually I’m in high school. I have never been accused of rape. No one I know has ever been accused of rape. Do you know why? Because they’ve never raped or sexually assaulted anyone.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one I know has ever been accused of rape. Do you know why? Because they’ve never raped or sexually assaulted anyone.

You make 2 assumptions:

(1) You have to know someone who was falsely accused of rape, in order for false accusations to happen.

(2) You actually have to rape someone in order to be falsely accused.

Both (1) and (2) are false.

For (1), I think you know that is a bad argument.

For (2) In fact, in order to be falsely accused you did not commit the crime, by definition.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm sad that Trump has to be the person pointing this out. Now Democrats will deny this even more (I'm a Democrat myself)

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

#walkaway

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What does that mean?

[–]Omz-bomz 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Think he means walk away from the party, find someone else to represent your view (independent or whatnot)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

THank you for the translation. Yeah, it's not an easy time being a democrat when the whole party seems to be rotten from the inside and full with people who believe in identity politics but not due process.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

even if you're economically with the Democrats, what good are their economic plans if they plan to punish men, as in you, for being a man, as in being you? It's not like you'd benefit from their economic plans if they succeeded in that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We'll I don't see a direct link with their economic plans and punishing men. I also don't see any better options in the republican party.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Democrats may, say increase social benefits, but force board rooms to not hire qualified men in order to meet quotas for women, force colleges to just believe all accusations, etc.

the GOP isn't going to create a social system in which all men are systematically disadvantaged in order for feminists to get "revenge" against men for the history of evolutionary biology. Liberals, and their vehicle, the Democrat Party, will.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear and agree with your points but I'm still so far from many republicans that a I can't vote for them. I'm guessing this is how republicans who hate Trump feel like. It sucks seeing your own party going down the drains. Fuck I'm tired of the retards and extremest representing the silent, often moderate majority of Americans who understand nuance and that we can still have a good time despite voting for different parties.

[–]notacrackheadofficer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't vote, and I'm not republican. However, I suggest watching some walkaway videos, especially the ones by black people. I just find them interesting, and the media never shows them to us. They tend to be quite intelligent and successful people. I am just interested in hearing different viewpoints. This is just an educational recommendation.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! I have viewed some and agree to 100%. But it's from a deeper ideological place. I do believe healthcare and education as it's structured now is completely f*cked. I do believe the best solution would be to improve schools and make sure healthcare is for everyone. What I can't stand is the victimization of society and the identity politics and hating on everyone who're the slightest successful.

[–]furchfur 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just imagine the male hate that would have come from Hillary Clinton and her cronies had she got elected. It would have been even more scary to be a man in the USA. She would have gone full on for anti male laws. That is what her election campaign was all about.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Thank God we have a president who cares about men!!

[–]MyOtherTagsGood 35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Trump only cares about Trump.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Even if you hate Trump and his policies, you should give credit where it's due. Can you imagine Hilary saying this?

[–]thxnwy 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She'd say something like this, "The real victims of false accusations are women who're too afraid to come forward," or something similar gynocentric bs.

[–]biscuitgravy 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Trump: This is a scary time for men.

Also Trump: BILL CLINTON IS A RAPIST!

Hillary: Bill Clinton's accusers are lying despite all evidence.

They're all trash. But if the gloves are off now, we need to get behind this issue

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also Trump: BILL CLINTON IS A RAPIST!

There are a lot of people out there who don't necessarily truly buy into the allegations made against Bill Clinton by Broaddrick, but are incensed by the hypocrisy on the left of "believe all women unless a Democrat is accused"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And feminists only care about women and hate men

[–]SchmidtytheKid -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump cares about Trump

Trump is a man

Trump cares about men.

[–]cld8 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank God we have a president who cares about men!!

Who signed the law making men pay taxes on the alimony payments they give to women?

Trump doesn't care about men. He cares about himself.

[+]rawbface -11 points-10 points-9 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Except for black or brown men. He doesn't care about them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Kanye West, Jim Brown, Candance Owens, Ben Carson, and many others would disagree.

[–]jojo_reference 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah those 5 rich dudes sure showed him dude

[–]rawbface 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

What about gay men? Does he care about them? Puerto Rican men? Muslim men?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes because they can also be affected by lack of due process. Particularly when you can't say "believe the woman" bc there is none. Without that, the left might've defaulted to race, or some other sick metric.

[–]GoodGoySoyBoy-9 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Yea that's why he put so many of them back to work that their unemployment is at a record low. They are fucking pissed that they can't just sit home, beat up their girlfriends, smoke crack, and collect welfare anymore.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with the first part... not the second part lol wow dude

[–]Darthwilhelm 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First part, Sensible

Second part. Dear god I hope it's hyperbole.

[–]rawbface 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What an intelligent and definitely not racist af comment.

[–]coisbott -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based and redpilled. Oh wait, I'm not on /pol/. Shame on you, racist!

[–]Philip8000 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. People may laugh at me and think I'm paranoid for being unwilling to flirt with or compliment women. Considering that I've had my reputation destroyed multiple times and the current hysteria we're living in, I don't consider my concern to be unfounded.

[–]GreyTortoise 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

It's good that someone is saying it, but no matter what, Trump will still be the wrong person to align with this movement. If we do, all of the stereotypes of us being misogynistic, racist alt-right folks will be even harder to shake off.

We don't need Trump, the MRM and its concerns are coming into public view for the first time. We just need to stay the course.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The truth is the truth, no matter who says it.

[–]GreyTortoise -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, I'm happy the words are being spoken by people the media will give due attention to, I'm just unhappy who is being quoted for saying what we've been trying to get across since this MeToo shit started.

[–]theAnalepticAlzabo 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Ironically, trump being on our side will hurt us in the long run....

[–]caveman1337 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I would prefer to not fall for divide and conquer tactics.

[+]murder_is_a_solution -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'd perfer this movement didn't get co-opted by the nutty fans of Trump.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

you can be right wing and for men's rights

you can be left wing and for men's rights

no wing of the fucked up handicapped bird that is the political system owns the concept of human rights activism.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you can be left wing and for men's rights

sure you can, but you won't be represented by anyone at any level of governance anywhere in this country or any western country

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

to be fair, there aren't many (if any) people in right wing governance that are for men's rights either in the broad sense of that word.

Trump is against false accusations. I doubt he is for anything else really on this sub, let alone enough to do anything about it.

Courts? Nah.

Circumcision? I would argue the right is more for it than the left.

But, in this instance with trump and protecting false accusation victims I would agree.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Trump is against false accusations.

False accusations are a hulking MRA issue! They can destroy your social relations and livelihood at minimum, and get you raped/tortured/murdered in prison at worst! Dear Colleague and MeToo seek to institutionalize that! Every single young male faces a bleak future unless these things are destroyed!

Circumcision? I would argue the right is more for it than the left.

You can still get aroused and have sex, find a wife, have kids, earn money as a circumcised male. You cannot do any of those things (feasibly) if labeled a sex offender. Also, if we're honest, that's a rather niche issue.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

False accusations are a hulking MRA issue! They can destroy your social relations and livelihood at minimum, and get you raped/tortured/murdered in prison at worst! Dear Colleague and MeToo seek to institutionalize that! Every single young male faces a bleak future unless these things are destroyed!

I agree.

You can still have sex, find a wife, have kids, earn money as a circumcised male. You cannot do any of those things (feasibly) if labeled a sex offender. Also, if we're honest, that's a rather niche issue.

Same with FGM and a few million men in the US alone who had their human rights violated by not having access to their own body is not a small issue at all.

[–]tmone 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

id prefer it not get co opted by nutty people wanting to murder politicians.

  • Frankly, if you put me in a room with a person like Ajit and a good knife, I'd gladly try to murder a representative of the corporate class. But access is hard when they've insulated themselves so well from the rest of us. Personally, I want to agree that violence is unacceptable, but it's one of the few tools that seems to still be left to the masses in this day and age. And peaceful protest needs to be accompanied by the threat of violence for it to be taken seriously.

  • I'll advocate for violence, at this point, I don't think it's unreasonable for someone (say someone who might potentially lose their insurance if they are again allowed to deny people for pre-existing conditions) to kill McConnell. The best way would be with a knife up close, he'd be less likely to survive."

get help.

[–]collectijism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But your ok with murdering communists running the country firing up the rape limo again?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you have a point, we need to be associated with less hated people. But I still commend trump for what he has said.

[–]Argosy37 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you have a point, we need to be associated with less hated people

Dude, stop caring about what feminists think you're associated with. If you support mens' rights you are an enemy to them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

who else could, or even WOULD do it? And who that has a national profile and platform?

Better Trump than no one. Or some obscure Congressman no one cares about.

[–]Aksu593 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying the president of the United States should not raise awareness of what this sub stands for? I'm afraid it's not his fault if some retard associates anything he says to hate speech

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only time will tell. If right wing populism becomes the dominant force, then Trump is PRECISELY the person we should be aligning with.

[–]DubsPackage -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

​

Stop parroting PC bullshit about Trump being "misogynistic" etc etc. According to Democrats we're ALL misogynistic, we're all shitlords, we're all entitled etc etc.

[–]GreyTortoise 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But Trump actually is an entitled misogynist. We might have some of those among us, but they have nothing to do with our goals. I highly doubt misogynists are standing on street corners wearing the symbolically bloodstained pants or are pushing for equal custody laws.

[–]DubsPackage -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's YOUR party's narrative, that he's a misogynyist, etc etc.

But that's what Democrats say about ALL non-liberals, they say we're deplorables and this and that.

Just by being here, you're one of the "deplorables."

Just by not "believing women" without evidence or investigation, you're a "deplorable."

If you don't call yourself a feminist, then you're one of the misogynists, aren't you.

See how the PC narrative works against you?

When you lay down with hyenas, sometimes you get eaten alive.

Not saying there aren't some good people who call themselves liberal, you sound like a good person, but like any good person you can be misguided and snowed.

I'm not on the republican train, like I said, Republicans are not our friends.

But Democrats (as a party platform) are definitely anti-male in worldview and agenda.

And you probably shouldn't be on that train or at least try to vote/think of yourself as an independent rather than call yourself a democrat.

Lots of "male feminists" are probably not bad people either.

But they still get kicked in the nuts.

Being an "ally" doesn't count for much when you're the "enemy" for being born with a dick.

[–]TheShShCreature 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t matter how right and relevant this statement is, Trump said it so it’s untrue..

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive -- https://archive.is/FVhwE

[–]KillerBunnyZombie -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same idiot that took out a full page ad asking for the death penalty for 5 innocent kids in NY.

So Trump took out full page ad asking for death penalty for 5 innocent black men. But now he is very worried for "young men" because a spoiled prep school douchebro is being called out for his past. Yeah, totally not a racist though......

I am soooo scared! Scared that there are enough stupid people to elect this sundowning orange gargoyle.

[–]orangeLILpumpkin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists will spin this as "it's scary for them because they're afraid (a) they'll be outed by a woman they sexually assaulted in the past or (b) they can't sexually assault women any longer".

[–]cld8 -4 points-3 points-2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish Trump would shut up. Associating him with the MRM is just going to put off potential supporters.

He's not on our side, he is just using us as a pawn in a larger political struggle.

Remember that Trump signed a bill that will make the payer, rather than the recipient, pay taxes on alimony payments.

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