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“She said she was told to go to school and tell the school officials she was molested. She obeyed her mother.” - 71 year old man in prison for 18 years for child molestation to be freed after accuser recants.

Imnotmrabut

August 30, 2017
229 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Man-in-prison-for-18-years-to-be-freed-after-6837027.php
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Title “She said she was told to go to school and tell the school officials she was molested. She obeyed her mother.” - 71 year old man in prison for 18 years for child molestation to be freed after accuser recants.
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Imnotmrabut

Upvotes 229
Comments 23
Date August 30, 2017 4:43 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6x0ev0/she_said_she_was_told_to_go_to_school_and_tell/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/she-said-she-was-told-to-go-to-school-and-tell-the.915066
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Comments

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 49 points50 points51 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is why, convictions based only on testimony are totally worthless. All the more so if they're from a 10-year-old girl!

[–]mwobuddy 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Except we use the opposite logic. Its especially important and valued when coming from children, because A) they'd never make it up (right?), and B) Its apparenly much more horrific for a child to be sexually abused than an adult due to out-group preference for children.

Salem witch trials/Spanish Inquisition says hello.

[–]scsimodem 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Spanish Inquisition

sigh

These guys get such a bad rap. Prior to the Inquisition, heresy and witchcraft were tried by local lords and magistrates, same as any other, but with witchcraft evidence being...ephemeral, and heresy evidence being dependent on how the local clergy interpreted the text, it was too easy to abuse and any accusation quickly turned into an execution.

The Vatican declared that these were spiritual crimes against God and not man and were thus solely in the jurisdiction of the church. The Inquisition took the right to execute heretics and witches away from the local authorities and would announce their coming weeks or even months in advance to give all parties a chance to prepare evidence and testimony.

Far more executions were for heresy than witchcraft, and despite whether you think heresy should be punished, it is an objectively provable crime.

Long story short, the Spanish Inquisition had the net effect of decreasing executions.

[+]BartholomewSquirtz1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

And the fact that the church got to keep convicted people's property kept the process extremely honest.

[–]scsimodem -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said it was a kosher system, only that it was far better than what it replaced.

[–]Lord_ThunderCunt 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I did not expect this comment.

[–]scsimodem 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

NOBODY EXPECTS A DEFENSE OF THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

[–]mrmensplights 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, for something a bit closer to home.

[–]ThirdTurnip 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the error here was in not being duly suspicious of claim which arose in the middle of a custody dispute, in the absence of corroborating evidence. Those two together should have added up to a lot of doubt.

If the child is insisting they've been abused and that can't be ruled out, don't give custody to the alleged abuser.

[–]SpellonYee 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

My God. Could you imagine this happening to you? I can't imagine anything worse.

[–]andejoh 31 points32 points33 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just remember that feminists don't see false accusations as a problem or worthy of punishment.

[–]mwobuddy 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't worry, if any man is accused they can gain from the experience by reflecting on questions like "if I didn't hurt her, was it possible I could have?" etc.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I were him, the question would be "If I didn't hurt her before, how can I hurt her now?"

[–]DerangedGinger 24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This highlights one of the flaws in our trial by jury system. When a little girl accuses a "dirty old man" of molesting her it's a heart wrenching story and people want blood, so out go logic and reason and in come rage and anger. People get found guilty because people want justice for shit that never happened because someone lied about something that gets people's blood boiling.

What's really fucked up is that there are psychologists whose job is to rig juries. There's debate over the accuracy of it, but there's a market for it, and I'm confident it works to at least some degree.

[–]doklaan 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"It was unclear if the girl’s mother, Elizabeth Woods, will face charges for forcing her daughter to lie."

I know what I'm betting on.

[–]Mashiki 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what I'm betting on.

Contacting local legislators and pushing them to have laws changed/written in the event of a wrongful prosecution that proper dispensation and arrest of the accuser happens?

[–]HiilestTehtyAffena 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Next he'll be kicked out of the hospital because he doesn't have an insurance.

Anyway, the sentences in the USA tend to be far too long. In Europe he would have been in prison for a couple of years and his life would not have gone totally down the drain.

[–]mwobuddy 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In Europe he would have been in prison for a couple of years and his life would not have gone totally down the drain.

For child molesting, not sure that's such a good thing. Plus as a registered 'subhuman' e.g. sex offender, he'd be subject to things like this.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/12/teenage-vigilantes-killed-darren-kelly-mistaken-paedophile-court

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2478285/Innocent-man-burned-death-vigilante-neighbours-mistook-paedophile.html

Innocent man burned to death by vigilante neighbours who mistook him for paedophile

Society has finally landed on the 'right' witch to hunt... sex offenders. Because nobody will defend such a person. Nobody will call it injustice, only when an innocent is killed for looking like one. Therefore, we have the perennial new-age witch to mob in current_year where science has dispensed with all the 'real' witches.

[–]AntiAbleism 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People still don't believe these things happen. Women never lie according to them.

[–]lostapwbm 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Jones was convicted in 1998 based on the testimony of a 10-year-old girl, the daughter of a woman who was his former girlfriend and who was battling Jones at the time for the custody of another child.

More red flags than a Chinese parade.

Anderson said there were “some irregularities in the girl’s condition” but no physical evidence of molestation and “very little corroborating evidence.” But the jury believed the girl’s account and convicted Jones.

B-b-b-but...LISTEN AND BELIEVE!

Fucking hell.

P.S.

Luther Jones Jr. died December of last year. A woman used the state of California as an instrument to murder this man.

[–]Apexbreed 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the most fucked up things I've seen on this sub, but it won't get nearly as many upvotes as click-bait posts. Ridiculous...

[+]MagicTampon1 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting. If the daughter approves, the mother should be sent right to prison.

The daughter should be commended for coming forward after all these years to free an innocent man. One only wishes she could have done it sooner.

[–]HisMortimerness 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, not if the daughter approves.

That woman needs to go to jail. Period.

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