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Oklahoma Man Ordered To Pay Child Support Despite Not Being The Father

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January 13, 2017
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http://5newsonline.com/2017/01/12/oklahoma-man-ordered-to-pay-child-support-despite-not-being-father/
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Title Oklahoma Man Ordered To Pay Child Support Despite Not Being The Father
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Upvotes 94
Comments 41
Date January 13, 2017 9:33 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5nppt5/oklahoma_man_ordered_to_pay_child_support_despite/
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[–]Tmomp 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Allow me to translate the story into how the mainstream and law see it:

Oklahoma ATM Ordered To Pay Child Support Despite Not Being Father

TULSA (KFSM) — An automatic teller machine (ATM) in Oklahoma is hoping to change the law after it has to continue to pay child support for a baby that is not his, according to our affiliate KOTV.

When the ATM's high school girlfriend got pregnant, it married her. Five months later she had a little boy and it believed it had a son, but their marriage fell apart.

The ATM decided to take a paternity test when the boy was three years old.

“It comes back zero percent. I was in my office and I saw that. I should’ve expected it but I didn’t and it hit me. I’m telling my co-worker how shocked I am that someone could do this to someone,” it said.

The judge ordered the ATM to take another DNA test and it got the same result. The judge first ruled that the ATM was off the hook financially, but then reversed the decision because Oklahoma law says ATMs must question paternity within two years of the child’s birth.

The ATM said that it had no reason to question it before it did, but, because it missed the deadline, the judge withdrew from the ATM around $500 a month in child support and nearly $15,000 in back support – for a child that is not its.

“I wish I was telling a lie,” it said. “I wish it wasn’t the truth but it is. That’s what makes it so crazy. Everyone I talk to about this can’t believe where the court system is coming from.”

The ATM wants lawmakers to change the law. It said it believes DNA matters regardless of when an ATM learns it’s not the father of a child.

“At this point, there’s really nothing I can do to get out of the $15,000 or get out of the child support, it’s done, it’s the law,” it said.

[–]LeChuckly 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The judge ordered Thomas to take another DNA test and he got the same result. The judge first ruled that Thomas was off the hook financially, but then reversed the decision because Oklahoma law says men must question paternity within two years of the child’s birth.

The pertinent bit.

My guess is he voluntarily signed the Acknowledgement of Paternity when the child was born (because why not?).

I can't figure out why they bar voiding the document after 2 years. Maybe some lawmaker thought it would be destructive to the child for a parent of 2 years to disappear after a genetic test. But that seems mighty short sighted. Like he's going to be a real excited parent after he's forced to continue paying for a child that's not his?

Sucks either way. I hope he's able to get the law changed.

[–]Tmomp 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, she lied to him to make him believe something she knew could well be false (and was), keeping him from acting to verify his relationship.

I would guess there are some crimes that undo agreements, like signing under duress, that are relevant here.

[–]comic630 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey mate, I Seen you post that info in 2 other threads discussing this, happy to see someone spreading knowledge for us unaware

[–]LeChuckly 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks - it took a few minutes to find the actual statute for the law but I couldn't find anything about the context for why it was included. Thought I'd save yall some googling if you were interested.

[–]BDMR_lurker 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because justice stops where government expenses threaten to start.

[–]NeonDisease 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The sad reality is, these laws won't change until some senator has to start writing monthly checks for a kid that's not his.

[–]BDMR_lurker 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think senators are a safe vertical distance from the law.

[–]Missing_Links 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Tests like this usually range from $150-500. Not a substantial increase in the cost of neonatal care. Genetic sequencing should just be standard for both parents and the child at birth as part of building up a genetic bank of hospital records both to avoid issues like this and to make it easier to detect and treat nearly every condition as genomic science continues to make advances in medicine

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree 100%.

[–]JoelTLoUisBadass 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If I was this guy I would use every resource I have to find the real dad, then I will put a gun to his head and tell him to sign the fucking birth certificate.

No but seriously I will a do DNA test on every kid that's "mine" before signing the birth certificate, I won't fall for all the "Don't you trust me" guilting bullshit.

[–]NeonDisease 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course I trust you.

...but I'd get a title for a car, and a deed for a house, so why wouldn't I want documentation of something as life-changing as a child?

[–]MagicTampon 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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[+]Wasteland_Whisperer points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

How is this not fraud on her part? Serious question.

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is fraud on her part

[–]NeonDisease 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ok, next question - why isn't her fraud being punished?

did that suddenly become legal while I was asleep last night?

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The flippant answer is because vagina.

The more in depth answer is that the US state (state as in government as a whole, not just Oklahoma) has looked at what fast declining rates of nuclear familyhood and marriage in our post feminist age means for future budgets, and has decided to force men to subsidize women's behavior anyways so as to not overtax national welfare budgets.

Men being forced to pay for women regardless is what the system is designed to do, regardless of whether the child is his or not or, if the kid is his, whether or not he's allowed to be involved in its life. That's what "best interests of the child" means in practice.

This has been allowed for two reasons. One, both feminism and the state have been preying upon Men's concept of "fairness" to exploit marriage and relationship roles. Two, women have an in-group preference, men don't.

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)


TULSA - A man in Oklahoma is hoping to change the law after he has to continue to pay child support for a baby that is not his, according to our affiliate KOTV. When Thomas' high school girlfriend got pregnant, he married her.

Thomas said that he had no reason to question it before he did because he missed the deadline, the judge ordered him to pay around $500 a month in child support and nearly $15,000 in back support - for a child that is not his.

He said he believes DNA matters regardless of when a man learns he's not the father of a child.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: child#1 Thomas#2 support#3 believe#4 judge#5

[–]NeonDisease 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL that any random woman could write my name on her child's birth certificate and I'd be legally obligated to pay child support.

[–]greenyashiro -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If he was married to her and they had a child then that is his son. (DNA non-withstanding). Legally, he is the father?! His name on the birth certificate? etc

I mean, if they legally adopted a child and then got divorced, he would still be the "father"...

Stupid system in many ways, but it is what it is.

Most important in the equation is the child, imo.

[–]x-system 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is BS imho, the most important isn't the child. We put people in jail because the child is more important than the adult. Now I would agree with you if CS was actually for the child and though the law might 'say' it is, there are numerous cases that show that it isn't.

[–]tomsix 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you think it's so important, why don't you pay for it?

And the whole basis of him being on the birth certificate is fraud. Different than a man willingly adopting a child. The difference should be obvious.

[–]greenyashiro 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, he didn't live with the child at all and call it his own child and then, continue the entire time to consider and call it as his child?

Sure, you don't choose blood but he took on the responsibility regardless. Don't make a commitment if all you intend to do is pussy out halfway because you don't like it.

And It is quite common for blank birth certificate or without the biological parent on it. Hardly unusual.

[+]White_Russian_Hacker points 9 years ago [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

White people are already paying for black peoples children, so why not just take it all the way, right?

Just make all white men cuckolds, that have to pay for slutty cunts children. That seems fair, right?

The Left is at war against white men.

[–]Thames_CDN 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Those are some pretty racist assumptions.

[–]itty_bitty_beaver 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The account is only a few hours old and already has 20-30 submissions, all around race. Someone's trolling.

[–]ttnorac 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

That escalated quickly.

Settle down there fella. No need to take it there.

[+]Satansyngel -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The welfare state is the exploitation of the working class (mostly men, mostly whites) for the benefit of welfare-class (mostly women, mostly black and hispanic). Men's rights are white rights.

[–]GrimB0LD 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off back to AMR with that false flag nonsense.

[–]Satansyngel -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

#triggered

[–]FreedDrugsTinyGuns 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Everyone who calls out my bullshit is just a triggered SJW! /s

[–]Satansyngel -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

How did he "call out" my "bullshit"? "Fuck off" is not an argument, asshat. Yes you are triggered SJWs.

[–]zfighter18 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So much edge.

[–]Satansyngel -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Another triggered sjw

[–]FreedDrugsTinyGuns 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Another fucktard that thinks that anyone who disagrees with him is just "triggered".

[–]Satansyngel0 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

1) False. 2) You know if your "disagreement" was based on anything but an emotional response (triggering) you'd argue instead of name calling.

[–]CWBECK 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Men's rights is white rights."

Yeah because it's not like MRA's think the imagine of young black men in America and how they're treated by society and law enforcement as a whole is incredibly racist and damaging or anything.

[–]Satansyngel 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Law enforcement is "racist" because their job is to stop crime and black people are extremely criminal. Black neighbourhoods are high crime neighbourhoods. Racial profiling is criminal profiling.

[–]zfighter18 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then my Nigerian ass is white.

[–]Satansyngel 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

x2

[–]roharareddit 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a stupid comment. The left is and has been for the last 50 years, been at war against all men.

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