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Cosmo: Vote for the woman or you are a regressive sexist: "We can't claim to support a progressive agenda if we have not proven that we trust a woman to lead our country."

DougDante

June 18, 2016
105 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Cosmo: Vote for the woman or you are a regressive sexist: "We can't claim to support a progressive agenda if we have not proven that we trust a woman to lead our country."
Author

DougDante

Upvotes 105
Comments 46
Date June 18, 2016 1:14 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4oogh8/cosmo_vote_for_the_woman_or_you_are_a_regressive/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/cosmo-vote-for-the-woman-or-you-are-a-regressive.947161
https://theredarchive.com/post/947161
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Comments

[–]redditorriot 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Vote by vagina.

How horribly demeaning to women.

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If Hillary wins, she's also committed to cabinet by vagina.

[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Helpful that they conflate THIS woman with A woman. I guess before I earn my progressive bona fides, I have to slot into some blinders and ignore clear signs of criminality and unethical behaviour in the candidate, focusing instead on her genitalia.

[–]dalef77 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

According to the most recent census in 2010, the U.S. population is 50.8% female and 49.2% male - http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-03.pdf . Therefore, women have a majority in the United States; females are not a minority.

If women were particularly concerned about having a female Presidential candidate to represent and express their interests, they could have voted for one, as females have been permitted to vote in the U.S. since 1920. The same goes for other politicians such as Senators, Representatives, state legislators, mayors, governors, city/town council, county officials, etc. There are female politicians in the U.S., but they are not as numerous as males. If women really wanted more female politicians, they could choose to run and vote for more female politicians.

As for the patriarchy nonsense, what is stopping women from founding their own companies? Google was founded in 1998 and other tech companies were established around the same time. There is nothing stopping women from starting their own tech companies except for women themselves.

[–]Demonspawn 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

According to the most recent census in 2010, the U.S. population is 50.8% female and 49.2% male

And when you start talking about men and women of voting age, the split is 52/48. And then when you talk about who has suffrage, the split is 56/44.

And then it's no longer a surprise why everything in the government leans towards women.

[–]redditorriot 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

And when you start talking about men and women of voting age, the split is 52/48. And then when you talk about who has suffrage, the split is 56/44.

Sources, please. Especially on that last figure (I'm assuming it's due to losing voting rights due to crime).

[–]Demonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4gfp9s/women_make_up_56_of_suffrage_in_the_usa/

[–]redditorriot -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thanks.

For completeness and future linkback, might be a good idea to clarify/complete the text under the link for felonies, and show your working. As it stands it's not totally clear.

[–]Dert_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The reason behind the number is irrelevant.

[–]redditorriot -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I've no idea what you're talking about.

[–]Dert_ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm saying the reasoning for why it's 56/44 doesn't matter, the fact that it's 56/44 is what matters

[–]redditorriot -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and I'm asking for how that fact was arrived at.

[–]lidsville76 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If women were particularly concerned about having a female Presidential candidate to represent and express their interests, they could have voted for one, as females have been permitted to vote in the U.S. since 1920.

I want you to know that I do agree with you, but that part of your argument is a little flawed. Yes, woman can vote, and even run for office, but you assume that us men that were in charge in the '20s - '80s would have allowed a woman to even run on their platform.

That isn't to say that a woman couldn't run as an independent, but with the mentality of the us voting public back then, it was never going to happen for a national office.

[–]dalef77 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There are many Republicans that do not want Donald Trump to be the nominee, but he is the presumptive nominee nevertheless. He is the presumptive nominee because he won the most delegates and reached the prescribed threshold in the primary elections and caucuses.

The same can be said for Hillary Clinton with the Democratic party.

Even decades ago, if a woman gained the majority of delegates, it would have been extraordinarily difficult to deny her the nomination. In addition, if a woman was one of the nominees, if she received enough of the popular vote in a sufficient amount of states, and hence the Electoral College, it would be very difficult to deny her the Presidency.

However, let us ignore the complexities of the Presidential election process for now. What is stopping more women from being elected to Congress, where the election rules are simpler?

In addition, what is stopping women from going to vocational school and learning how to be a plumber? Surely, the vocational schools in the U.S., which are mostly government run, are not going to practice sexism in their admissions policies. The same can be said for STEM majors.

It seems that the single most important barrier to women's success is women, due to their own mindsets, attitudes, and views of the world.

I want women to be as successful as men, but in order to solve this issue, we must first recognize the source of the problem; and the source of the problem is not men.

[–]marauderp 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but you assume that us men that were in charge in the '20s - '80s

You were in charge in the '20s -'80s? Damn. Who else is in your club of 'us'?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Once the right woman comes along, I'd be happy to vote for her. I'm not voting for a shithead harpy

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have no problem considering a female candidate for office.

I have considered Hilary and found her a sub-standard choice.

I will not be voting for her.

[–]Daelach 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't care if a candidate is black, white, brown, man, woman, space alien. The only thing that matters is can they do the job and do it well.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Precisely.

[–]MisanthropeNotAutist 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay, if Elizabeth Warren is suddenly running, then sure!

Oh...oh, you meant Hillary Clinton...um, well, this is awkward...

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i would have supported Warren a few weeks ago, but she is now so supportive of Clinton that it is difficult to see her as anything other than another fake leftist.

[–]MisanthropeNotAutist 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm of two minds about this.

On one hand, she could withhold support and show principles, but on the other, the Democrats are very scared of a Trump presidency and she, like many voters, feel they're backed into a corner.

The sad part is, I can actually kind of understand it. I don't agree with it and I don't support it, but I get it.

Believe me, I'd like nothing better than not to have Trump as President, but the alternative is Hillary? It sounds like a bad Reddit joke.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Trump is center right, Clinton is far right. If Warren were a real leftist, it would be in her interest to either back Trump (thereby killing her own career) or to at least not back Cheney In Drag.

[–]BookOfGQuan 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my country, feminists are bitter about our first female Prime Minister (who famously called feminism "poison") because she "didn't do much to further the lot of women" (paraphrase). Which says it all, really - to these people, she was A Woman and should act accordingly, constantly thinking with a gender identity to serve as a token. She wasn't A Woman, she was her own person who, whatever you think about her policies (greatly controversial in many respects) was too busy being the Prime Minister to bother reducing herself to her genitals.

[–]pintocat 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't have a problem voting for a woman. I have a problem voting for this individual.

[–]Paladin327 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You vote for people on their merrits and not their genitals? You raging sexist asshole!

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've vote for a women both federally (Alexa McDougha) and (Andrea Horwath) provincially and I was rooting for Premier Rachael Notley of Alberta.

So Cosmo can go fuck themselves.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can't claim to support a progressive agenda if we have not proven that we trust a woman to lead out country

Trust, like respect, is earned, not given. Cosmo's statement implies that Hillary has earned the trust of the American people, something that I think MANY people would disagree with.

I have no problem whatsoever voting for a woman who has EARNED my trust, Hillary simply has not done so.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hillary Clinton Is the Most Qualified Candidate, but the Fact That She's a Woman Matters Too We can't claim to support a progressive agenda if we have not proven that we trust a woman to lead our country.

We can't claim to support a progressive agenda if we continue to unashamedly claim gender matters.

[–]bumbuff 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She's not the most qualified. Most years in the political game compared to Trump, sure. But years in the game hardly qualifies as a proper measuring stick

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lets not forget Obama, who was only a senator for two terms before being elected

[–]Dert_ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but before that he was a lawyer involved in politics

[–]Mens-Advocate 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The analog of "women should vote for a woman" is "men should vote for a man".

Further, Cosmo earns millions telling women how to best manipulate men. So it now presumes to also tell men how to vote? And the author's qualifications for this moral guidance are what? that she's a Nobel prize-winner? No - that's she a black female.

[–]lostapwbm 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hillary Clinton Is the Most Qualified Candidate...

Ha! If Hillary is the best turd America can squeeze out to occupy the White House, we might as well pack this thing up and call the American republic the failed experiment that it is.

I'm a black woman situated at the intersection of these two complicated histories.

LOLBLACKWOMEN

Black women have such a hilarious inferiority complex when it comes to white women.

I stood watch as two generations of men in my family did significant jail time

I am sure all of these black men had loving and devoted fathers in their lives and weren't raised by single black women, who are strong independent and don't need no man.

I recognize that Hillary Clinton had a hand in creating some of these social conditions, not through her legislative choices, but rather through her advocacy on behalf of her husband's presidential agenda.

Never Her Fault.

[–]Dert_ -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think hillary is more qualified as trump, so if they are the only 2 options that is true, but Gary Johnson is by far the best of the 3 and he is doing extremely well right now for a libertarian and is on track to be in the main debates with hillary and trump.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im supporting (cant vote im a legal resident of the usa not citizen) trump not because hes a man but because of his immigration policies, even then if the democrats had tougher immigration policies i wouldnt support them because theyre far to liberal

[–]Veneu38 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

America is just completely immersed in identity politics now. America is going down the path of Lebanon where government positions are assigned to each group.

[–]Ricwulf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how all these sites were dead quite about "voting for a woman" when it was Palin.

[–]TheWritingParadox 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, but they aren't voting on the basis that she's a woman. No, no, not at all.

On another note can anyone tell me what this "qualified" means? I still have no real idea what it means and who counts and who doesn't count as "qualified"?

[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

What if you supported Sarah Palin? She had a vagina and vagina = progressive...

[–]TheTwisted509 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Than I am a regressive sexist. I wouldn't vote for her if you put a gun to my head, The fact that she has tits and a twat have nothing to do with it.

[–]Vanriel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why did i even bother to read this? As soon as i saw the thread title i knew it was going to be one of those idiotic types.

It makes me laugh when people accuse organisations/businesses etc of sexism because a man got the job/position over a woman. And when i mention that maybe, just maybe, they might have gotten it because they were more friendly, they had better knowledge of the role or they just did a better interview they look at me like I am crazy.

As far as i am concerned i don't care if all the bosses in the world are men, or all the bosses in the world are female. As long as they treat everyone correctly, dont cause any fuck-ups and get the job done well it doesnt matter to me. That i think is the most important thing. Can they do the job? If they can, great. If not, sorry best of luck next time.

Now I am not American, so i don't really follow the nomination debates (or whatever they are called) and i tend to ignore politics as much as possible, so i freely admit that i haven't got much of a clue regarding the platforms that the candidates are using. But from what i have read it seems that Hilary Clinton is basing her whole campaign on the fact that she is a woman, when to be quite frank in my opinion that is fairly irrelevant to the whole process.

[–]unpicked-username 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds as valid as those "like for a prayer" things

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A woman, perhaps.THIS woman, never. Fuck Cosmo and its support for this TPP-loving, neo-con, warmongering piece of scum.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to vote for Jill Stein, but when I tell people I have voted for her in the past, I'm told I'm wasting my vote or splitting the left vote. I just wanna vote for a GOOD candidate who is a woman. I don't agree with the way Clinton does business. Same thing when I voted the one time for Obama. I didn't vote for Alan Keyes, even though he was a black candidate for the Republican party years ago BECAUSE he was black. He was a terrible candidate whose policies I didn't agree with. I voted for Obama because he was a good candidate who was black.

[–]mcavvacm 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For an outsider the usa election is hilarious. Both options are retarded and makes one wonder why you don't just overthrow your silly corrupt government.

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