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I am glad to see other people getting annoyed by changing men's restrooms to anyone's restrooms

hackableyou

April 12, 2016
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Title I am glad to see other people getting annoyed by changing men's restrooms to anyone's restrooms
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hackableyou

Upvotes 219
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Date April 12, 2016 7:20 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4ehoyj/i_am_glad_to_see_other_people_getting_annoyed_by/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points70 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You know what. If you wanna do this in a Yankee Candle or a Victoria's secret or any other location whose customer base is mostly women, then fine. It's efficient. I can't hate on that.

But then we reserve the right to do the same thing at auto zone, gamestop, etc. Of course that will never happen so....

[–]Lucius_Martius 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But still... if you're going to make one gender's restroom unisex, why not do the same to the other? Or just have one for everyone.

If you don't have a dedicated men's restroom, you don't see the reason in some concept of gender privacy anyway (or whatever reason toilets are separated for in the first place), so no matter how you spin it, it comes down to preferential treatment of one sex over the other and not efficiency.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because women care about this more than men, and their restrooms are the only ones to ever overflow.

[–]DancesWithPugs 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would have no problem making women's restrooms bigger. It's not strictly equal, but the genders are not identical. I can use a urinal and be out of there in a minute. I don't need to fix my makeup, gossip, or whatnot. The solution of opening up only one bathroom to both genders is clearly sexist though.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you willing to make that happen? I am confident that most businesses would allow you to privately fund that kind of renovation were you so inclined. Otherwise they will spend 20$ putting up a new sign.

[–]DancesWithPugs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What do I look like, Daddy Toiletbucks? My bathroom bills are through the roof!

[–]hackableyou[S] 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a fast food restaurant, I imagine the genders of customers are fairly balanced.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then this is some bullshit

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. If I were there and both were empty, I would use the women's bathroom in protest.

[–]ExpendableOne 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

then fine. It's efficient.

There is not a single scenario where gender-segregated washrooms are more efficient than gender-neutral washrooms. At best, it would be equally efficient if it was occupied by women at all times(leaving the other open for whoever). Realistically, however, there would sooner or later be situations where two men might want to go to the washroom at the same time. Having a washroom designated "women only" or "white only" does not make it more efficient, it forces it to remain unused when it could be used by someone else. Having these restrictions are, by design, meant to exclude some over others, creating unnecessary bottlenecks.

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[–]hackableyou[S] 24 points25 points26 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That would make too much sense.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just do the second option. One or two anyone restrooms.

There is no logical reason women deserve their own special room over men and transgender people.

And there's no reason to regulate the "others" to a third "special" room. Just treat everyone equal.

[–]ExpendableOne 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or, just gender neutral washrooms everywhere, because gender-segregated washrooms are absolutely unnecessary and inefficient.

[–]Islamic_barkeep 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

But that would cost money

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[–]James32015 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We all know they aren't going to take women's restrooms away.

[–]Tak7ics 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But your not your adding another men's to make it equal. Can't argue that

[–]TomRoberts2016 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I'll use the women's restroom if it's empty and single use. I try not to, but I'm also not pissing my pants while there an open bathroom just because of some symbol on the door.

[–]hackableyou[S] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I am glad to see there are others like me!

[–]unbelievablepeople 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Logically I agree, but man: I would be really, really worried about doing that. You never know when some woman is going to see a man coming out of the women's bathroom and start screaming that he's a pervert. I'd be pretty worried something bad would happen to me if I tried that.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For whatever it may be worth, that has never happened to me. Most women are not that stupid and will just assume that something was up with the men's room. Also, wash your hands.

[–]boxsterguy 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

What WA law is it that requires this? I'm not aware of any. If they're thinking of the transgender bathroom law, that only allows transgender men and women to use the bathroom of their preferred gender rather than of their birth gender. There's nothing in that law that says, "Turn men's rooms into anyone's rooms!" If a business chooses to do that, that's on the business, not the law. They could have just as easily decided to make the women's room an anyone's room, or made all single-occupancy bathrooms into an anyone's room.

[–]chocoboat 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The comments on that photo are wrong, WA law does not require this. As you said, the business chose to do this.

[–]hackableyou[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You could be right, the store could be misapplying the law. This is not a mom and pop shop, they own many stores throughout Oregon, Washington, and Idaho, so I figured they knew what they were doing, but I could be wrong.

[–]boxsterguy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If the business actually said this was because of the law, they're lying. This is the text of the rules that went into effect last December. Mostly, this is simply a standard non-discrimination law, granting transgender folks the same protections that everybody else already has.

The key provision regarding bathrooms seems to be this:

(4) Provision of options encouraged. Whenever feasible, covered entities are encouraged to provide options for privacy, such as single-use gender-neutral bathrooms or private changing areas, that are available to any individual desiring privacy.

Which is just a suggestion that if possible, it's good to provide gender neutral single-occupancy spaces. If the restaurant chose to do that by turning the men's room into a gender neutral space, I suppose that's their right to do. But that falls 100% on the restaurant, and blaming or hiding behind the law instead of blaming the restaurant owner is dumb.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But that falls 100% on the restaurant, and blaming or hiding behind the law instead of blaming the restaurant owner is dumb.

What kind of encouragement was given? Citing a statute doesn't mean much. There could be a separate area of the tax code that allows write-offs or credits for any business that gives in to these 'encouragements'.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why else would they do that then?

[–]boxsterguy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do what? Change the bathroom? Or blame the law?

In either case, you'd have to ask them. Maybe they got caught up in the FUD and thought this was what the law requires without ever actually asking anybody. Maybe they had customer complaints from a large number of women about lack of facilities and decided to address that by allowing women to use either bathroom. Maybe this is a policy from their corporate overlords (assuming they have corporate overlords, which they may or may not) with no more justification besides, "Because we said so." Maybe they ordered new bathroom door plaques and for some reason the supply company sent them a men/women sign instead of a men's sign, and they put it up temporarily so that people still know it's a bathroom and not a broom closet.

I don't know why they would do it. But immediately jumping to, "The gubmint made them do it!! !! uu!!" is stupid.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they are just trying to do something and not have anyone mad so they say it is because of the law.

[–]Brodusgus 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If I need to go, I won't hesitate to use the ladies room. true story

[–]hackableyou[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol me too.

[–]derpeddit 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just say you identify as a woman, turn the tables on em. "How dare you question my sexuality!"

Better yet, just shit in there anyway because what the fuck is anyone going to do about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that's the thing. They're going to start freaking out when there are men who start putting on some lipstick and hanging out in the women's locker room at the gym.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The problem is it's pushing the narrative that men are evil pervert rapists that are a threat if they use a woman's bathroom. It's not even about convenience or how many women and men are actually in the building. There's a double standard that people are uncomfortable with men using a woman's bathroom, but have no problem with women using a man's bathroom

[–]Clockw0rk 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps the greatest trick that modern feminism pulled off was turning 'idiot shaming' into 'victim blaming'.

The wage gap isn't true. The sexual assault epidemic isn't true. The patriarchy isn't true. But good lord if you point out the truth, these people curl up into a ball of stupid and shout nonsense about being a victim.

The shit women are scared of isn't real, not on the paranoid delusion levels they're operating on these days. It's the stupidest goddamn shit, because most of them buy it and don't even ask questions. I dare say, it's enthusiastic ignorance. We're legislating some of this bullshit, because we're constantly reminded that women don't lie, women aren't violent, women are smart. All of these positive stereotype truisms as some fucked up gender reparations bullshit because some assholes were feeling guilty and some psychos were feeling manipulative.

Fucking hell what a stupid society.

The media has enshrined idiocy as an acceptable life style. And we'll not win this equality business until we put an end to mainstream anti-intellectualism.

[–]hackableyou[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that is the biggest reason why I don't like it. It seems to be very unfair to me and I would think everyone would be putraged, but what do I know.

[–]zen_affleck 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If I lived in WA I would organize a "piss in". Get 50 men to go to places that don't provide bathrooms for men and just start pissing wherever. If you treat me like an animal, I'll act like one.

[–]hackableyou[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol that is a good idea.

[–]IronCanTaco 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next time you get an idea like that, think about the people who's job it is to clean that all up.

Now think how you'd feel if you, your mother or your father was in charge for that.

[–]Stripes1974 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

As long as there is either:
* A) All restrooms become "anyone" restrooms-- meaning male AND female restrooms; or
* B) There is (as another poster suggested) a male's restroom, a female's restroom, AND a "anyone" restroom,
and not just men's rooms being taken to be "anyone" restrooms while leaving female restrooms alone, I see no problem with the situation.

But if it's only men's rooms being taken away-- and basically giving women the privilege of being able to use the "anyone" restroom while stripping men of the privilege of having a restroom of their own- like women currently have-- then I would fully be supportive of petitions and protests against this change.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have never been to that specific burgerville, but when I went back to read the comments of this post later, he said that the restrooms used to be 2 anyone restrooms and, because of whatever Washington law, they changed one of the rooms to a women's.

[–]CyberSoldier8 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Man, change your fucking font.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like the font. Lol

[–]MizterUltimaman 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe try getting all men you can (or women that feel angered by this (although let's be real here; what women wouldn't like having an additional available washroom)) that go to the restaurant to stop going there until it's either Women's+Men's or just Any+Any.

The owners of the restaurant don't have to respond. The owners may not care about gender equality, but they do care about income, and that's one way to influence them.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This restaurant is not a mom and pop shop. They own hundreds of stores throughout Oregon, Washington, and Idaho. They always brag about being sustainable and caring about everyone. The restaurant that is closer to my house has a women's only and a men's only because it is in a different state (Camas, WA where thus photo was taken is on the southern border of Washington and I live in Portland, Ore, which is on the northern border of Oregon). According to the poster of this pic, there is a new law of some kind in WA that prompted them to do this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn't this illegal?

[–]hackableyou[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would think it would be.

[–]unbelievablepeople 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it probably is illegal, but in cases like this, the law will only be enforced if someone is willing to go to court to challenge the business's practices. I'd love it if there's a man in the area willing to go through the hassle of standing up for the principle that men and women should be treated equally.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

what "law" exactly is that?

People wouldn't just grab photos off the internet and make up stories to go with them for no reason, right?

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm I am not sure. He is talking about a law in the state of Washington. I will have to research it. This was not off the internet, feel free to do a reverse image search. I took a screenshot of it from my Facebook feed.

[–]HugoWeaver 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What the fuck? So theoretically, if I was to use a urinal in an "anyone's toilet", a woman can just come in? What's stopping them from violating my privacy while they try and get a perv in? In fact, why are men's toilets being converted at all?!?

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These are single use rooms. So if 2 women come, one can go to each, but if 2 men come, one goes first while the other waits with an empty room.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had a friend that used a women's restroom recently.

If women have been using men's restrooms for a long time, then why can't men use women's when no one else in in it

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the police would do anything if you entered a single use women's room while it was empty and then locked the door and used it. It would be a different case if it was a multi use women's restroom.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand the purpose of these laws and I totally get that not everyone falls along that basic binary spectrum - I really do.

But I'm also curious to see how they'll all start reacting when men start showing up in the gym locker room. And what about in the schools?

[–]boringcarpets 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Time to start carrying my own signs or tools to remove stupid signs

[–]FatMan8Pack 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck my state, Jesus Christ.

[–]philksigma82 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pissed (pun intended) burgerville is by far my favorite fast food and I have always liked their commitment to local ingredients and employee well being but if they all do this than I won't be able to eat there anymore.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Other people have told me the law doesn't require them to have this setup. They only need 1 gender neutral room for Transgender. This location had 2 anyone rooms and the law prompted them to make one for women because we can't have women using the same room as trans people.

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are upset about the wait time, rather than the fact that they are being discriminated against.

What I want to read is "if women deserve their own bathroom, men should get one as well."

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with you. I am happy though that non mrm people at least notice it.

[–]loose_dirt 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been to that Burgerville. I didn't know this was a thing

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not the case at the burgerville near my house, but apparently it is at the one in Camas.

[–]matmannen 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wai, they have a restroom for everyody, and the one only for women? No, I'm calling it, this is exactly like pre civilrights america...

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the second restaurant that I have seen this at.

[–]Xeroith 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always just use women's bathrooms of my own will. I just knock, if no one answers I go in. Fuck waiting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope he left the seat up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just identify as a woman for the time it takes to use the women's room.

[–]KingGoogley 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I do live in Washington, haven't really heard more about this, but I do know they started making "group" bathrooms more available main reason being transgender second being families with people who need help with the bathroom(assisted living/kids/elders). I don't remember anything about them taking men's rooms and converting them to family rooms.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This specific place used to have 2 anyone restrooms. I am told by other people that the law says there needs to be at least one anyone restroom for trans people. So, as I understand it, this specific location was already in compliance. But for whatever reason, it prompted them to make one of the anyone rooms into a women's.

[–]gtfomylawnplease 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there is no bathroom, everywhere is a bathroom.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In Korea I was in a restaurant bathroom using a urinal. When I glanced at the mirror I saw a woman walk past me. For a moment I panicked thinking I was in the wrong restroom then thought, "Wait, I'm at a urinal..."

As it turns out it was a unisex bathroom. Seems like an efficient use of space to me.

[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had that same experience in taiwan. I wonder why they don't do that here.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See, women need safe spaces away from men, and men don't need any privacy from women. So, they change only the men's rooms, and keep women's rooms. That tells you much about who has power in our society.

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[–]hackableyou[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No they are keeping the women's restrooms.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]hackableyou[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know what else to say. It appears as if they are sexist.

[+]never_said_that -13 points-12 points-11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Operation occupy potty in 3...2...

Sister Woman Sister, if you ever have the choice to use a FEMALE-ONLY bathroom or one that the menz only share with you because it's the LAW, take the ANYONE'S bathroom. Its YOUR RIGHT.

Show the men what it's LIKE to have to hold your pee.

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