Why women slag men off for 'being rubbish' – and what you should say in response

dungone · 2016-03-11T14:28:47+00:00

Surprisingly good column. She calls it what it is - toxic - and laments that not enough men stand up against bigoted gynocentrism. She encourages other women to speak out against the "where have all the good men gone?" nonsense and stop reducing men to a utility. Can't really ask for much more than that.

Deefry · 2016-03-11T14:55:52+00:00

"They're with the decent women."

RunawayGrain · 2016-03-11T13:03:13+00:00

What she is really asking is "Where is the hot, built, multimillionaire, commitment averse but willing to commit to me, blonde hair, blue eyed, tall but not too tall, emotionally attached but stoic, ambitious himself but doesn't expect me to contribute much, powerful male that I deserve?" It basically boils down to modern women having insane standards, and bitching because no man meets those standards. This chick is basically saying they should tone that back a little, without actually taking any substantive action.

2016-03-11T16:34:54+00:00

Most of the time when I see these types of posts it's from women who aren't that great, in fact, their bitchy, unstable and have a princess complex. And I always want to say something like "if you're smelling shit wherever you go, check your own shoe." These women who talk about "where are all the good men?" see them as a commodity. If the men aren't able to please them, there's something wrong with the man, not them. To them, the men must conform to what they want and need, if they can't or are unwilling, they are pieces of shit.

Clockw0rk · 2016-03-11T21:42:07+00:00

I'm going to say something, possibly controversial.

I think that women in the west have a culture problem.

I reference Ben Shapiro's glorious rebuke video, here, with regards to racism vs 'the American black culture problem'.

It seems like modern feminism, western feminism, has inserted itself into the general culture of the west. Celebrities and politicians both parrot talking points of victimhood narrative; from the pay gap to artificially high rape claims. This sort of mentality changes people. This is a mentality of persecution. This is a mentality of enfeeblement.

If you believe that you're worth less by default, then you try less. People that see disadvantage as a challenge to be overcome are few and far between. If you tell people that they need special treatment to be on the same level, they have less self confidence and less drive to do truly great things.

And so, this pandemic of pedantic bitching over sexist air conditioning, manspreading, and mansplaining takes its toll not just on the feminists spreading the negativity, but also on everyone around them. We're constantly being exposed to "secondhand ideas" from friends, family, and even day-to-day strangers.

So when I see people in this sub, or anywhere else, say "who cares what they think?"... My god, seriously? How do you think this shit spreads? You have to correct the lies and stop the misinformation the moment you see it. Especially in this age of social media, one friend tells ten friends, and they tell ten friends each, and so on.. Suddenly one lunatic's ideas become the tint in the glasses of 20,000 followers. And people who believe what they hear from people they know quickly become unknowing tools in a mind-boggling mob rule.

Take the pay gap myth, for example. The reason it still exists is because the volume of real information is not greater than the noise of misinformation. If the truth was front page news on every news paper/site in the world tomorrow, the misinformation would die swiftly. When authority refuses to tell the truth, or outright lies, people accept it as the truth strictly because of the authority involved.

So I believe that, due largely in part to the media's contributions, the women in the west have a culture problem. They're being raised to believe that most men are monsters, and that they will have to fight to be taken seriously; and that kind of thinking breeds a default resentment towards society. And they're also raised to believe that there will be special accommodations for them, as reparations for the "continuing problem of sexism". They will grow fond of these accommodations, and will prickle at the very idea of questioning why they exist. This is the dangerous nature of believing the message without concern for its source. If it confirms my beliefs, who cares if it's true?

I'm just not sure how to fix it. The narrative is strong. It doesn't matter that there are and have been prominent women in business and government for centuries, they want to rely on their perceived knowledge of history to judge their current place in the world. I think you would have to bring the facts to everyone from every source to shatter the narrative, and there's just too much money involved. Female privilege doesn't want to be dismantled, and it will fight back.

Wargame4life · 2016-03-11T16:38:24+00:00

Not a bad article but I would suggest that "what you should say in response" is something like, "avoiding entitled, emotionally immature narcissists like you."

FruitierGnome · 2016-03-11T16:43:23+00:00

Gotta keep their self-esteem low so they are easier to control.

2016-03-11T19:40:00+00:00

"I would tell you to suck my dick, but I wouldn't let you suck my dick".

KrisK_lvin · 2016-03-11T13:15:34+00:00

I quite enjoyed reading that actually, but I’m a bit wary of anyone with the job title "life coach” as it sounds like the most unbearable first-world problem mumbo-jumbo psycho-babble horse shit ever.

She’s right here about the FB post she saw:

"Where the hell are all the decent men?”

A simple post – and a sentiment that we've probably all heard hundreds of times before in various different forms[. But t]he simple fact is that there is no way a man could have posted a question like this about women and got away with it. No way.

But not her conclusion:

The next time you see a comment like my friend's, whether you are a man or a woman, politely remind her that …

I can’t stand this “call out” culture bullshit at the best of times. It’s Millennial-era Puritanism at its worse - the last thing I’d want to do is justify it by finding my own little corner of victimhood I can wear like a badge of permanently (wounded) pride FFS.

garglemesh42 · 2016-03-11T15:33:31+00:00

I admit, I don't take any complaints about 'respecting women' seriously entirely because I've been hearing this garbage pour out of women's mouths my entire life.

Women need to be told to shut the fuck up with their toxic bullshit. Do they want to hear men running their mouths about what shit women are all day? Fuck now. They would riot over that. But they think it's their right to shit on an entire gender day in, day out. Fuck them, those childish pieces of shit.

paydenbts · 2016-03-11T16:06:49+00:00

Those bitches need to take a good hard look at themselves first, and figure out what is it about their sorry ass that keeps attracting shit men.

2016-03-11T18:26:35+00:00

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Wargame4life · 2016-03-11T16:52:53+00:00

I genuinely love shit like this, "where are all the good men" is the female equivalent of "why don't women like nice guys"

The reality is that good admirable attractive men have no shortage of offers and potential suitors that fit his needs and offer him something in return.

The women who complain about "No good men" are people who hold no value in the eyes of those they like, so they have to go bargain shopping in a sea of degenerates and people with personality issues because any stable attractive competent man would go after someone better than them.

Its like being a highschool drop out with a criminal record and tattoos on your face complaining that "where are all the good jobs"

The answer is "they are out there but you don't measure up"

Anyone who uses "where are all the good men/women" its an instant red flag. because it immediately shows the person probably doesnt have the ability to self critique and honestly appraise their actions, they just assume they are perfect and DESERVE the best because they are them.

2016-03-11T12:24:24+00:00

More bollocks and another reason to just avoid females.

matthew_lane · 2016-03-12T03:29:02+00:00

Yet the only male response to hers had been from an old admirer making light of the situation, amorously answering with ‘right here’.

Oh you lucky duck you, you spotted a beta male orbiter in his natural environment.

boringcarpets · 2016-03-12T10:21:41+00:00

Where have the good men gone? With the good women

Title	Why women slag men off for 'being rubbish' – and what you should say in response
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Date	March 11, 2016 12:22 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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