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Canadian Minister for the Status of Women stated that she is "not a feminist" because she believes in equality.

gannex

March 1, 2016
507 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Canadian Minister for the Status of Women stated that she is "not a feminist" because she believes in equality.
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gannex

Upvotes 507
Comments 44
Date March 1, 2016 10:30 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/48j0as/canadian_minister_for_the_status_of_women_stated/
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Comments

[–]EvilPundit[M] [score hidden] 10 years ago* stickied comment (23 children) | Copy Link

Putting the title in English and the text in French was a dick move, OP.

[Edit] You seem to be taking this in a good way, so thanks for that. If you want me just to delete most of the comments, just say so.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The wall of feminism took almost 50 years to build and it's not going to crumble overnight. But every time a woman like this stands up more will question. And for every Lise there are many more who are walking away from the toxic culture.

[–]HotSauciness 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

KUFVGO;ubgivylBONPIPN;JBHI;Uonb JOB; ;NOUnj.bhk

[–]JoshAndArielle 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the minister is educated enough about (modern day) feminism to know it does not advocate "equality," then chances are, she will stick to her guns. But yeah, I do hope she doesn't get brigaded either way.

[–]add13 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She's the Quebec province Minister for the Status of Women, not Canada.

You can remove the unconfirmed too. The subtitle says:

Lise Thériault, ministre de la Condition féminine, ne se dit pas féministe. Oui, vous avez bien lu.

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Lise Thériault, minister for the Status of Women, does not consider herself a feminist. Yes, you read that correctly.

[–]gannex[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You can remove the unconfirmed too. The subtitle says:

my bad. I can't edit this can I?

I read the article but somehow this slipped past me. It did seem weird that anybody hired by the Trudeau government would say something like this.

[–]add13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's not in the Trudeau cabinet. She's part of a provincial government, the province the Quebec.

[–]gannex[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah. That's what I was saying. I posted an article with a bad title add13 pointed this out, so I was saying it wouldn't have made sence if she was part of Trudeau's cabinet.

[–]Imnotmrabut 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apoplexy follows!

It's enough to get Big Red out of retirement .

[–]ThePigmanAgain 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder what Justin whatsisface thinks of that!

[–]ElMorono 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Because it's insert current year here. "

[–]Atheist101 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's the Quebec minister, not Federal minister

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what OP gets for posting an article in Frogspeak.

[–]Daemonicus 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

For a Minister responsible for Status of Women, the question "Are you a feminist?" Is the box "FREE" in the middle of the bingo card. You do not need to think, you answer "yes, of course ', and you put your pinouche on the map. Crash with this question is like managing to do a lumbar sprain playing the Pichenotte: it takes almost make an effort.

Seems like the author of this article is a little butt hurt. Shame. They point to a dictionary definition of feminism, as if that's all the feminism is.

If it is patriarchy that keeps you from talking, Mrs. Thériault, blink three times quickly, we will send you help.

Cute.

Maybe not she like the attitude of certain persons connected to the feminist movement. But again: so what?

There in the federalist movement idiots people, crinqués who cross the line, Sam Hamad, and it is clearly shown, ministers who do not know what they are talking. Their existence does not change the federalism as a concept.

Also cute.

The hard part is not supposed to be deciding whether we agree or not with the idea of ​​feminism. It is acting accordingly.

Laughable.

[–]Revoran 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Most people, including myself, agree with the stated aims of feminism (gender equality). But thats not all there is to feminism. It's not that simple.

For instance I don't believe in patriarchy theory.

[–]rottingchrist 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even white supremacists claim they're merely "preserving european culture".

You can claim to be anything, what matters is what you do.

[–]Daemonicus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people, including myself, agree with the stated aims of feminism

Stated aims are one thing. Active goals are another. Anyone can claim to be aiming for something, but it's where you hit that target that matters.

[–]Mitschu 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They point to a dictionary definition, and then use the "masculine name" of the dictionary ("Robert", i.e. "Collins Robert Unabridged French Dictionary") as evidence that they're representing both sexes in the discussion.

By the same objectifying reasoning I could name my dishwasher and stove Betty and Louise and then argue that the only place women belong is in the kitchen.

[–]chialeux 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lise Theriault never looked into a dictionary in her life. It's actually a running gag in Québec. They even have a sketch called 'La dictée de Lise Thériault' on a satirical show only as an excuse to ridicule her lack of education and class.

[–]chialeux 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The 'journalist' is a joke, but so is the minister. She is not smart enough to think about all this, she never entered an university in her life and is an anti-intellectual. Look no further, this is just part of her anti-intellectualist right-wing populism.

Oh and she also made her political career by busting construction worker unions, so she is the last person I would nominate as a hero of men's rights...

[–]Daemonicus 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

so she is the last person I would nominate as a hero of men's rights...

And who is doing that?

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[–]EvilPundit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Universities have been consistently attacking men and manhood for over half a century. When governments start chopping their budgets, I'll be laughing.

[–]soalone34 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We need to congratulate her. Seriously, we need to be a slight thin shield of encouragement for the shit rage blizzard she is about to endure.

[–]chialeux 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually no, nothing is happening and no one really cares. She is a joke in here, no one cares anymore about what she says.

This is just part of her usual anti-intellectual right-wing populist routine and also a nice attempt at a media diversion from her many scandals and fuckups as a minister. She is a high school drop out who ended up in governement accidentally because the premier wanted to piss off someone else by naming her.

[–]Daemonicus 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Google translated page

[–]you_cant_banme 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That there is a "Minister for the Status of Women" just proves that that government is not committed to equality.

[–]chialeux 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres a whole government agency but it's a joke, just a way to waste taxpayer money and dump political appointees. They dont even do anything anymore to actually help women, they are just political tools to them, to help the ruling party.

They victimise some women when politically convenient. When a politician of the ruling party gets a joke comment about her clothes or butt size they go full berserk. but when the wives of opposition politicians get their careers destroyed as revenge against their husbands they just dont care.

They even came out strong in support of allowing government officials to wear burqas during work just because it is the position of that insane ruling party, nevermind what burqas mean for women rights.

Because, politics.

[–]chialeux 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Some context:

She is Québec's vice-premier.

She was until recently also minister of public security but got demoted after a humiliating public breakdown (She started crying during a press conference) Some say it was a burnout because of all her ministerial fuck ups, others say that it was staged to get media pressure of her back, either way it's bad.

Please do not make her a hero, this person is a tasteless joke, she is far from being smart or qualified, she is basically a secretary with only a high school diploma, no culture nor class and who lacks mental maturity and professionalism that ended up there accidentally.

How? Canadian's british parliamentary tradition dictates that all ministers are chosen at the discretion of the Prime Minister from the pool of elected parliament representatives, the equivalent of the US congress, and they are also always from the ruling party which means about 70 people for Québec, and all of them get a function because hey we won so we share the money amongst ourselves and screw th opposition; thus how she ended up with some power, because the premier wanted to stick it to his predecessor's trusted people and she was one of the few newly elected MPs who did not have a ministerial function under the previous premier.

Back on topic...

This recent declaration of hers is just part of her 'screw the intellectuals' routine. When you take account of the whole of the character, is much different from what this title could infer.

There are plently of smart women amongst Québec's political class who hold equalitarian views, I wouldnt want that one to be the one we speak of. I am just too ashamed of her.

[–]dewse 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

T'es donc bin chialeux toi. Just kidding, but serious, I guess I still see it as a sort of win for the wrong reason. Anything that brings this whole subject to light is good for the movement in the long run, no?

[–]chialeux 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That person ruined the lives of both men and women. Not my kind of egalitarianism.

She let many murderers and dangerous mobsters escape from jail while she was keeping the cops busy beating the shit out of teenagers who were peacefully protesting school budget cuts and politisation of universities management (public universities expelling students for being militants against her party). She used a major public inquiry report that linked her party to major corruption and fraud as an excuse to bust construction worker unions and give more power to the guilty construction corporations, and we all know what that means for men. Some hero she is....

[–]gannex[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

QUEBEC Minister for the status of women, not canadian minister. My bad.

[–]rg57 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From the English, the key sentence (from the feminist author) is "You do not need to think"

This is a faithful translation of the French.

[–]odel555q 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Le snap!

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[–]chialeux 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, she is not. This title is really misleading.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How long before shes removed because of mass hysteria from feminists calling her mysoginistic

[–]Funcuz 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not quite a direct quote of what she said nor is she a federal level minister. Actually, that's what caught my eye because the current crop running the federal government are dyed-in-the-wool SJWs. Remember, their leader clearly said that women deserved to be half of his cabinet because it was 2016. Not because they earned the spots or were necessarily the best fits (although they could have been on both counts) but simply because they were women. Because it was 2016.

Anyway, this minister simply doesn't want to identify herself with the feminist movement and this particular piece is just the usual "Check the dictionary, Luddite !" stuff.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Kinda funny how if a woman says she's not a feminist, the media sets out to shame them and say they don't understand the meaning or they're confused. Bullshit.

[–]gannex[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah that's what I noticed. An ideology isn't really the kind of thing that has an obvious, agreed-upon "definition". It's also something that changes over time. Saying that you're not a feminist, but an egalitarian obviously means that you don't think that feminism truly stands for equality. It means you're questioning the "definition", not that you don't know what it is. I found the article very condescending.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope this trend continues and that feminists gradually understand that egalitarianism means everybody wins, not just them (or just men).

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Words are cheap, what she does is far more important

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry, I can't read Mexican

[–]ckern92 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm French and I laughed...

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