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Don't like reporters in the locker room recording you and your team mates naked? Suck it up, because reporters have more rights to you than you have to privacy.

Capitalsman

October 21, 2015
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Title Don't like reporters in the locker room recording you and your team mates naked? Suck it up, because reporters have more rights to you than you have to privacy.
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Capitalsman

Upvotes 265
Comments 55
Date October 21, 2015 10:42 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3pp2lf/dont_like_reporters_in_the_locker_room_recording/
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[–][deleted] 54 points55 points56 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

It seems that the naked male is not treated with any respect or equality at all in the USA.

Also in the USA, and only the USA, female guards in prisons are allowed to observe naked male prisoners in the showers but male guards are banned from female shower areas. A double standard. I cannot think of any other country in the world where male prisoners are observed naked by female guards or vice versa.

There seems to be something in USA culture which makes it OK for females to see naked males, prisons locker rooms, but not the other way around. In the UK you can even request same gender doctors and medical staff, there seems to be a lot more equality in this area.

I also note that int he USA quite a lot of women would use the men's restroom if the female one has a long queue but I do not think this is at all common in the UK at all. Some women have been arrested in the UK for it.

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[–]Martothir 25 points26 points27 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Happened to me at a mall once. Woman blocked an enormous men's restroom because her young daughter needed to pee and the women's was being cleaned.

I would have had zero problem if she went into the stall with her. Fine, whatever. But don't block me from going to the restroom because you're fucking paranoid.

[–]ExpendableOne 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem itself isn't that they are paranoid, it's that there's a lot of women out there who have this major double-standard about who is and isn't "allowed" to see them naked. They would be fine if women were in there and saw everything(even if they were lesbians). So the problem isn't even that they're scared that some men might catch a peek, it's that they feel justified and entitled in telling them that they are not allowed to because they are men, and because they see male heterosexuality with general contempt, fear and disdain. The attitude is more about policing, emasculating and punishing/scolding men then it is about genuine shyness or prudishness.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I see you are a troll!

[–]Bwhitty23 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Dude calm down. He just joking which is obvious.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Would have gone in. would have shitted loudly.

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[–]Senuf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

... to put it mildly.

[–]Iamwomper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would have just pulled out and pissed at their feet.

[–]tallwheel 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just the USA though.

Here in Japan, female maintenance staff are allowed inside male restrooms while they are in use (same goes for bath houses). The reverse is not true.

[–]pintocat 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Urinals often don't have any kind of wall at all between, much less a door. A lot of actual toilet stalls in male bathrooms also lack a door.

[–]bertreapot 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interviews in locker rooms are pretty stupid. Why not have a waiting area and send 2-3 players out there every game to talk to the media?

[–]Capitalsman[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There isn't much for them to say to the questions they are given. I watched an Iinterview with a new Russian player for the Capitals because a Russian player (Ovechkin) is mocking his broken English to make him laugh, but his perfect response to a question was "just watch the replay, that's all you need to know about that."

[–]iandmlne 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just so everyone knows, this is what "objectification" actually means.

[–]hamsterbator 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this would be great if they provided interviews with the cheerleader locker rooms.

[–]Login_rejected 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd love it if the players all banded together to provide a sausage wall behind every player being interviewed. I bet the locker interview policy would change quick.

[–]tallwheel 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, it would change real quick to fining anyone deliberately showing their sausage in front of a camera.

[–]Daemonicus 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then they can go on strike. See how quick the league changes their tune.

[–]Capitalsman[S] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They'd probably get sexual harassment lawsuits from any female journalists present.

[–]garglemesh42 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Insisting on interviewing someone while they're showering or getting dressed isn't sexual harassment now?

[–]v573v 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a system that has operated for decades without issue.

Oct 8, 1990

That's 24 years (two and a half decades) of players not wanting media to have access to the locker room area.

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Only in the USA. I have never heard or seen journalists or cameras in changing rooms any where else ever.

[–]Capitalsman[S] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember a call for removing the underwater cameras in Olympic water polo when women play because of swimsuit pulling, but this is fine.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The article explains that, and says they don't do it in north america because the fan interest is worth more money

[–]Daemonicus -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yup. The NFL is totally worth more than soccer leagues. /s

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

[–]Daemonicus -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The Premier League alone as almost worth as much, with fewer teams, and less population in in country.

Go ahead an incorporate the other soccer leagues, and see where the numbers fall.

The article writer stated:

Such an arrangement can be traced to European soccer competitions, such as the English Premier League and frankly, it doesn’t work.

But... It does work.

It's a poor comparison to make, and it's completely asinine to say that it would harm the sport if players weren't mandated to speak to media.

Point is... Fan interest doesn't hinge on reporters seeing an athlete's dick.

[–]kekgomba 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Premier League alone as almost worth as much

Less than half is almost as much?

[–]J_Schafe13 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. I don't know what this guy is smoking. The NBA is worth almost as much as the Premier League and it's terrible. And the MLB is worth far more than the Premier League, even on a per club basis.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree about unnecessary media access and fairness to the players, just putting the facts out there. Of note to me were how much CFL makes per team, and the amount of money from Japanese baseball

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems obvious that it wouldn't fly to broadcast nude female athletes.

[–]dungone 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People might actually watch women's sports if they did.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not a sports fan but can someone clarify:

Currently the media like ESPN can bring cameras into men's lockerrooms and interview players while they are in a state of undress?

What about for women's sports? Are the media allowed in the lockerrooms and able to interview women when they are wrapped in nothing but a towel or other women's bodies blurred out in the background?

I'm super confused because this seems totally unequal. Men sports players should have the same rights to privacy as women.

[–]im_not_a_gay_fish 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not a blanket rule, it comes down to the rules of the organization. In the NFL, cameras are allowed in the locker room. I think in Soccer, they aren't.

Has nothing to do with "men vs women". It has everything to do with what the organization governing the league says.

For instance, I was allowed to go off campus for lunch in high School. My cousin was not. It wasn't discrimination, because we went to different schools. My school allowed it, hers did not.

[–]cum_penibus 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's that important, surely a microphone-only interview would achieve the same thing?

[–]plasmafire 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In Wisconsin if there is a guy in the ladies restroom he can be arrested and charged with sexual harassment. I do not know if it works the other way around.

[–]redditorriot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are locker room interviews even a thing?

[–]Capitalsman[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe they think athletes are meat heads that will forget the game they just played while showering and getting dressed? IMO, it's probably so they are forced into giving interviews and can't just get dressed and walk past them.

[–]rg57 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Frankly, no reporter should have ever been allowed in the locker room, at any point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some guy needs to do an interview while taking a massive shit.

[–]DillipFayKick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they insist on being in the locker room and we can't change that okay, but I think the media outlet, the camera operator, and the reporter should be fined heavily for every privacy infraction like what happened in the Bengals locker room.

[–]onegrand2 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

rules are different for NFL to WNBA.

in the NFL, after the game is over, the players have 10 minutes to change and shower and everyone on the team showers. this is why Clinton portis has referred to 53 guys being naked. at the end of 10 minutes, all the male and female reporters are allowed inside and they can stay as long as they want. A few of the bashful players, get caught with their towels on, so to speak. kinda of hard for players this large to put on clothes with a towel around them. they have no privacy.

this next part probably pisses them off more than anything. If they have 3 practices in a week, the lockers are open to all the press, so they have to change with media there when they go in and again when they leave. these guys are naked a lot. some guys are bothered by this and if one is unhappy, it violates his rights. imagine this, you go to school and have enough talent to make it to the nfl and make millions of dollars, only in the end, you have to get naked in from of people who wont make in a lifetime, what the player makes in a year and also risk the fact that your ass might be caught on camera and put on the internet.

in the WNBA, all male and female reporters are allowed in the locker room for 20 to 30 minutes. once the 30 minutes is gone, ALL reporters must leave. At no time cameras are allowed in the WNBA lockers. some females have the option to shower and the ones that do, the put a robe on.

Simple solution, allow the males 20 minutes to shower and change or do away with all reporters and cameras in the locker room. NOT GONNA HAPPEN AND heres why.

The NFL would lose a ton of money as all those interviews are paid by sponsors. The commissioner only cares about money and so big deal if some players rights are violated. The reporters hate being in the dressing room and the players hate them being there as well. This whole mess is caused by 1 person, Roger Goodell.

it would be funny if a player told this to a female reporter. All woman want equal rights but theres no way we can be equal, as long as im standing here naked in front of you and you are fully clothed.

Theres no doubt that some female reporters might look at the guys but most are there for the interviews. If you in a locker room with a lot of naked people, its gonna be hard to miss. why would you want to look in a locker room when you can go find much better on the internet.

[–]im_not_a_gay_fish -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You guys make this sound like this some kind of law or something, It isn't. This is NFL policy. In the NFL, the media is allowed in the locker room after the game. If you dont like it, dont play in the NFL. Alternatively, you could wait until they leave to change. Again, if you dont like it, dont play in the fucking NFL.

[–]Swiggy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Again, if you dont like it, dont play in the fucking NFL.

You can say that about any working condition in any job. "Don't like black lung disease don't be a coal miner"

That's not a productive answer to improving working conditions. Whether it is locker room media policy or concussions workers have a right to speak up about things they don't like.

[–]im_not_a_gay_fish -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sure they do, but this isn't discrimination any more than black lung is.

Don't want blisters? Don't be a carpenter

Don't want black lung? Don't be a coal miner

Don't want to take your clothes off for money? Don't be a stripper

Don't want to change in front of the media? Don't play in NFL/NBA/MLB/ or have any other job that puts you in that position.

[–]Swiggy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure they do, but this isn't discrimination any more than black lung is.

I may be wrong but I honestly cannot ever recall seeing video of a female athlete being interviewed while changing in the locker room. You'd think if this was as essential to the fan experience as claimed you'd see more interviews of Alex Morgan wrapped in a towel answering questions while surrounded by reporters.

You shouldn't employers have a take it or leave it approach to working conditions. "Don't like not being paid for overtime, leave!"

[–]im_not_a_gay_fish -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I may be wrong but I honestly cannot ever recall seeing video of a female athlete being interviewed while changing in the locker room. You'd think if this was as essential to the fan experience as claimed you'd see more interviews of Alex Morgan wrapped in a towel answering questions while surrounded by reporters.

Irrelevant. Ive never been filmed changing either. Then again, I work in IT, where that doesn't happen.

Whether or not media is allowed in the locker room is up to the organization that governs the sport.

For instance, I am allowed to work from home. My wife is not. No matter how unfair my wife claims this is, it is not discrimination because we work for different companies.

Same with NBA/WNBA. They are two different organizations. If one allows locker room cameras and the other doesn't, that isn't discrimination. That's two different organizations with two different sets of rules.

If there was a coed sport where the men were filmed and the women wernt...Discrimination

If all (or most...or half...or, hell, even a good chunk) of the players were complaining, writing petitions, etc about this, that would be a shitty work environment. I would call it hostile.

As it is, it seems noone really cares except for a couple of the players and a few "definitely not professional players but I'm offended on behalf of men everywhere on the internet" types.

I am hesitant to call this hostile work place as it doesn't seem anyone who matters really finds it as such. It definitely doesn't fall under discrimination. Not even close.

[–]Swiggy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Irrelevant. Ive never been filmed changing either. Then again, I work in IT, where that doesn't happen.

What if your boss told you or your wife that you would now be required to be filmed while you are changing, or find another career.

Whether or not media is allowed in the locker room is up to the organization that governs the sport.

You have to ask why is it allowed in some cases, almost exclusively in men's sports, and not others if it is supposedly so important to the fans?

Same with NBA/WNBA. They are two different organizations.

The NBA has substantial operating involvement with the WNBA. If the situation was reversed you'd hear plenty about discrimination. Just like all the complaints about the pay gaps.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/basketballs-gender-wage-gap-is-even-worse-than-you-think

As it is, it seems noone really cares except for a couple of the players and a few "definitely not professional players but I'm offended on behalf of men everywhere on the internet" types.

I don't know how you came up with this conclusion.

[–]Capitalsman[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can easily be the same as a guy leaving a camera in the women's bathroom. If you're in the background about to shower to relax your body and a camera catches you naked and especially if it's broadcasted or shared, they might as well stuck the camera in the toilet stall. NFL policy can easily be over turned with a lawsuit where the policy allowed it to happen.

[–]IDreamOfABetterMe -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the comparison with the EPL is redundant. If the clubs chooses to let the media out, the media will be left out. It doesn't matter what the repercussions will be. If the clubs don't want it, the media will have to wait outside. It is not like they are going to leave and do something else.

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