[meta] Please don't let this sub become /r/MensRightsCircleJerk

azazelcrowley · 2015-07-20T13:51:21+00:00

I think this sorely depends on the manner of disagreement. I only tend to downvote if someone is a complete dick while disagreeing, or a disingenuous liar, or whatever. Because in those cases it's not merely a differing opinion or an argument over facts.

I think the big problem is, a bulk of the opposition to mens rights comes from disingenuous liars, or rather, people who tell disingenuous lies and don't fact check. I suppose we could start igoring the lies until they refuse requests to fact check and source, THEN downvote their response to that request if it isn't a "Oh, it turns out that was all nonsense." But there are occasionally people who manage to voice their concerns in a legitimate way. But I agree with the sentiment behind your post, no harm in asking for it, I just think the problem isn't as bad as you make out. Maybe it is though.

But let's not forget, the type of people who oppose mens rights are disingenuous liars to such a degree that it becomes something they bring up in their own private meetings that maybe they ought to try another strategy other than being disingenuous liars.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1nw34q/were_gonna_need_to_find_a_way_to_make_nuanced/

"We´re gonna need to find a way to make nuanced arguments that aren´t, like, lies or disingenuous" -- Feminist recorded at anti-MHRM meeting

(The one where they protested CAFE.) Think about what that says about these people that this even needs saying.

That's not to say that some feminists or non-MRA types aren't alright. I think some are. The ones who call themselves Feminist/MRA and such, or have intergrated our dialogue into their worldview so it isn't gynocentric anymore. But the other ones?

If they want to avoid being downvoted, they're gonna need to find a way to make nuanced arguments that aren't, like, lies, or disingenuous. (I can't tell you how fucking funny I find that quote. It's just mindblowing. I could listen to it all day.)

Captaincastle · 2015-07-20T19:51:51+00:00

I'm a staunch men's rights activist. I've lost lifelong friends standing up for men's rights.

But when i offered my opinion on a thread that someone disagreed with, i was immediately called derpy, and an against men's rights poster, and then another user told me a reasonable discussion would be a waste of time, and made a weird analogy about me being a rug shitter.

MRSPArchiver · 2015-07-20T13:45:48+00:00

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pnw_diver · 2015-07-20T21:14:58+00:00

Agreed with OP.

TomwaIvory · 2015-07-20T15:58:08+00:00

Honestly I rarely see this. Normally such things get lots of upvotes. E.g. here https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3djir4/the_girl_from_that_viral_catcalling_video_is_now/ct601hv

I often up vote such posts if they are not inflammatory or attacking anyone. I also upvote anyone who argues with me even if they disagree (so long as they're at least as civil as I am).

yummyluckycharms · 2015-07-20T17:26:51+00:00

Theres only two areas where I see major downvoting - males saying that they are MRA while also feminists, and people advocating for the Red Pill.

The first group are in denial, while the second group is more about turf protection and people getting butt hurt over the success of RP.

In any case, sub is hardly a circle jerk

Blutarg · 2015-07-20T19:59:02+00:00

Generally the only things I downvote are gibberish like "muh soggy knees!". I don't mind reading something I disagree with, as long as it is written using a real language.

TheMer0vingian · 2015-07-20T20:42:49+00:00

People tend to downvote comments they disagree with, that is the nature of pretty much every subreddit. I don't think it's "shunning" so much as people just expressing their agreement or disagreement with the comment. I know that's not how upvotes were intended to be used upon conception, but that is how they are widely used today.

You wanna see a subreddit that truly shuns people who disagree? Head over to /r/feminism. You will be banned within minutes for posting an unpopular opinion.

wazzup987 · 2015-07-20T15:53:38+00:00

The only people i routinely down vote out hand are twerps, past that i agree.

Lethn · 2015-07-20T16:50:01+00:00

lol at least they don't ban people they disagree with, that's something and also something you won't find on a lot of other places.

MikeSogyny · 2015-07-20T17:26:51+00:00

I think we are far more open then most forums. Yes we do down vote some things if the argument is poorly made, but most subreddits just delete them and ban the person. Happened to me just yesterday and I was being polite and following the rules to a T.

tiqr · 2015-07-20T19:15:28+00:00

The upvotes are as much of a problem as downvotes. People are generally too lazy to read critically, so they just read the title and assume everything in the link supports it 100%.

There's been some pretty wretched stuff upvoted to the #1 spot which are (1) entirely made up, (2) completely irrelevant, or (3) insanely biased.

thehumungus · 2015-07-20T16:28:43+00:00

too late

adam-l · 2015-07-20T19:34:02+00:00

Indeed. I've found that there is a kind of orthodoxy in here. Anti-feminists posts and posts about false rape claims consist around 50% of the stories upvoted. I've tried to raise the issue of sex as a Men's Human Right, (admittedly provocatively, Women owe men sex) and not only did it get downvoted, it got deleted.

As a matter of fact, I have never seen sex discussed as a human right in this sub, in the past 6 or so months that I'm following it.

expert02 · 2015-07-20T21:24:30+00:00

And definitely don't be racist.

sillymod · 2015-07-20T21:42:46+00:00

Notice that there isn't a meta flair? That means that meta material doesn't belong here. It belongs in /r/MensRightsMeta.

Title	[meta] Please don't let this sub become /r/MensRightsCircleJerk
Author	Hammerhart
Upvotes	25
Comments	28
Date	July 20, 2015 1:45 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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