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UK: Family of vulnerable 23-year-old woman who took own life after being charged with making false rape claim launch new legal bid. Feminist groups want to stop men from bring private prosecutions for false rape allegations.

TR6Cool

July 9, 2015
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11727878/Eleanor-de-Freitas-rape-case-Legal-bid-for-new-inquest.html
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Title UK: Family of vulnerable 23-year-old woman who took own life after being charged with making false rape claim launch new legal bid. Feminist groups want to stop men from bring private prosecutions for false rape allegations.
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Date July 9, 2015 7:55 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]ktchong 118 points119 points120 points 11 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

First of all, your title is misleading. There is no "feminist group" involved in the case or mentioned in the article.

I know a bit about this case. The girl, Eleanor, was not so innocent: she had worked as a high-class escort when she was in university. Her call-girl name was "Porsche". Then, she was fortunate enough to hook up with a young millionaire financier, Alexander Economou, (an apt last name for a financier.) The idiot had no idea that she had worked as an escort in the past. He dined her and wined her and bought her expensive gifts and shits.

Somehow he found out, and was obviously upset of being lied to and broke up with her over it. I believed they had gone out together shopping in some high-scale store, where she could get him to spend money on her and buy her more nice gifts and shits. Unfortunately for her, (and fortunately for him,) they ran into one of her "customers". He got suspicious or the "customer" spilled the secret. Either way, he found out about her past, and kicked her to the curb.

So Porsche lost her golden ticket. The very next day, she immediately filed a rape charge against the young millionaire. Oh boy was that a stupid move. The police took in Economour. Of course, she put him in a position in which he had to tell all to explain himself. He told the police everything: about why he broke up with her and her escort past. The police investigated and decided not to charge him. Then the police decided to investigate her for prostitution. D'oh!

Economou, who was socially respectable, (remember: he did not hook up with her as an escort; he had no idea she was an escort,) decided to also hire a lawyer to conduct a private prosecution to clear his name. Eleanor or Porsche or whatever then realized, oh shit, her dirty little secret would soon be outed. So she decided to kill herself instead of facing the music and being publicly shamed (and losing her chance of ever hooking up with another rich guy again.)

That's the gist of it. I read about the story awhile ago, so you guys can google it to confirm the story. Honestly, he did not do anything wrong. She made the decision to become a prostitute and to lie to her boyfriend about it, which led to the breakup; then she foolishly made a false rape allegation as an attempt to get even over the breakup. So was he not allowed to tell the truth to defend himself from a false rape allegation? Was he not allowed to clear his name? IMO, her own actions, her own choices in life, put herself in her final position.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points59 points 11 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

I think you will find these are feminist groups:

Rape Crisis, Victim Support and Refuge​, ​​Vera Baird QC, the former Labour solicitor genera​l​.

Like you I am outraged that feminists dare to criticise this man for trying to clear his name.

Vera Baird is a bad feminist. She put her name to a poster campaign which stated "men who have sex with drunk women are rapists" last christmas in the North East. Married couples have drunk sex etc, many students. She was branding all men rapists.

https://j4mb.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/150104-vera-baird-ad-on-drunkenness-and-consent.jpg

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MAAAAN If i had the opportunity i would take a pen and erase the "S" letters on both "She" words.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]anonlymouse 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and still do not care.

Then shut up.

[+]Acidalia -18 points-17 points-16 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Am I missing something here? Where is the proof that these groups are feminists?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Idiot: have you seen the web site? They call themselves feminist and are full of the male hate that goes along with being a feminist.

http://rapecrisis.org.uk/

No mention of domestic violence against men. In fact no mention of men at all.

If you click on "about" they state:

Rape Crisis England & Wales is a feminist organisation. Per their own sordid admission.

REFUGE is the same and does not take men

[–]kirby_j3 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But why male models?

[–]Pornography_saves_li 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Deliberately.

[–]ashlaaaaay 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Am I missing something here

Yes. Now fuck off.

[–]Hatsee 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

At home that evening, Alexander recalled her saying she used pseudonyms including Portia and Olivia for her sideline – a self-employed massage business. He decided to search the internet and within seconds found sexually charged pictures of Eleanor on websites where she offered ‘tantric’ services. ‘I had no suspicion at all that she had a secret life,’ Alexander says. ‘I was stunned. She looked like butter wouldn’t melt in her mouth, but there she was on what can only be called sex sites. The photos were suggestive and she was provocatively posed in next to nothing.’

But it was not this startling revelation that prompted him to end their liaison. Instead, it was a flurry of hoax suicide text messages that Eleanor sent him that evening. She said she was about to drive very fast on the most dangerous road in Britain, discussed her will, internet passwords, bank account PINs, and even details of her funeral. No one will ever know why she did such a thing.

The police, he says, refused to look at video and text messages which would have exonerated him – evidence so overwhelmingly in his favour that the Crown Prosecution Service was later forced to agree with him, at which point it took over the case against Eleanor.

With his name this is pretty easy to check out, thanks.

Guy got screwed and she was nuts. Pretty terrible situation all around although I can't find what she was charged with.

[–]geniice 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Driving very fast on the most dangerous road in Britain isn't exactly an uncommon activity. In fact its one of the reasons the A285 has so many crashes. Most people who do it get away with it.

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

perverting the course of justice. it's like what, perjury? bearing false witness? think of it like the felony version of wasting police time, whatever that is

[–]aokusman 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you link to any news article that mentions her escort past?

[–]ktchong 52 points53 points54 points 11 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Hell yeah I can. I can link you to the story at multiple sites. I can do better. I can direct you to her saved/captured online escort ad. Her dad and family want to wipe the Internet clean of her indecent history, but we all know what is on the Internet stays on the Internet, forever, just like a fucking diamond.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2854324/The-double-life-tragic-suicide-girl-accused-rape-tycoon-s-son-says-Don-t-judge-know-story.html

http://tab.co.uk/2014/12/01/millionaire-falsely-accused-raping-durham-student-stunned-heard-death/

http://www.eleanordefreitas.com/escort-portia-tantric-massage/

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/woman_living_double_life_as_a_university_student_and_escort_rape_claims_proven_untrue.htm (includes a capture of her "out call" ad.)

http://thevoiceofreason-ann.blogspot.com/2014/11/eleanor-de-freitas-said-to-be-in-ann.html (includes more captures of her escort ad, and a few sexy pics from the ad)

Here is her entire escort ad: http://www.eleanordefreitas.com/escort-portia-tantric-massage/

P.S. I just quickly re-read those articles. I missed a few details and got a few things wrong, like her escort name was Portia instead of Porsche, but I got the overall story right.

[–]DevilishRogue 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is really interesting, thanks for doing so so thoroughly.

[–]ktchong 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Have to say, she was smoking. BUT, a man should not have been forced to choose between marrying a gold-digging escort vs. going to prison over a false-rape charge. Neither was a reasonable option.

[–]Wargame4life 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It appears that she had been working as an escort for a couple of years under the names Portia and Marilyn. In fact during the police investigation she continued her escorting work under the new name of Godess Olivia.

Ironically “Goddess Portia” is also the mythical Goddess of Justice."

fucking love it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How does Bi-Polar turn into Vulnerable person?

[–]pnw_diver 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I've pretty much lost all respect for British media. It's tabloid. Whatever the truth of this (tragic) situation we won't know because the "rape culture" (it sells eyeballs to advertisers) fad has taken over.

They should stick to topless girls on whichever page it was.

(And a suicide is an awful thing indeed, especially when someone so young is involved.)

[–]Lethn 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They certainly are nothing more than rumour mongers and flame baiters. The BBC and Guardian used to be quite respected but now they've been taken over by political groups like feminists ( But not just them, that is clear ) to simply establish political narratives rather than fact check.

I fucking hate this country.

[–]the-tominator 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know the BBC is getting bad when newspapers, including tabloids such as the DM and the Mirror, and even Fox starts to look more rational and truthful than it.

I wouldn't mind bias if we weren't all forced to pay for it either.

[–]ktchong 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No mention of her uncovered escort past - the reason for why he dumped her, which led to her false rape accusation as an attempt to get even over the breakup.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Lots of men commit suicide after a false allegation. 100% of women prosecuted for false allegation get convicted but only 50% of men prosecuted for rape get convicted.

False allegation is rampant and in my opinion about 70% of cases are genuinely false.

[–]cymrich 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

100% of women prosecuted for false allegation get convicted

that would be because most don't ever get prosecuted. the ones that do are slam dunk cases where the evidence is clear and there is no chance they will lose and end up with a political situation on their hands for "harassing the victim".

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only 35 women were prosecuted for false allegations last year out of a total of about 20,000 possibles.

[–]cymrich 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

even is half of those possibles were somehow verified to be justified accusations, thats still an incredibly low percentage of prosecuted fake accusations.

[–]ConfirmedCynic 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

100% of women prosecuted for false allegation get convicted

Wow... they must only prosecute when the evidence is slapping them across the face.

[–]ametalshard 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Without a reputation, feminism destroys you. I can't blame them for wanting to live to fight another day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The stat's are somewhere between 5% and like 65% grey area. I like to generally meet stat's halfway and say that something like 35% are false. still a massive number.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

There were 22,116 recorded rapes in the year to June in the UK, a rise of 29% on the year before, police figures released by the Office for National Statistics show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29642455

About 5000 cases a year go to court. About 2500 are convicted of rape.

So out of appox 22000 reported cases 19500 were deemed either not guilty after a court appearance or a conviction was unlikely and so charges were dropped.

in the present climate and with rape prosecutions being top of the agenda of the CPS budget I believe that if the CPS could bring a prosecution they would.

So 88% of men have had allegations made against them with no outcome.

A 70% false allegation rate could easily be correct.

35 cases of false allegation were brought against women by the CPS last year. All, 100% resulted in a conviction after appearing in court.

[–]ametalshard -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm 100% for men's rights, but your math is horrendous. Not only are you making huge, biased leaps of faith, your own evidence and logic works against you. If you believe the CPS would bring a prosecution if they could, and 100% of false allegations resulted in a conviction, how come there aren't anything close to 19,500 false allegation convictions? Not even 1/10?

[–]Peter_Principle_ 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you believe the CPS would bring a prosecution if they could,

Not to speak for OP, but it seems you're missing an important point. In a feminist, female privilege system, "strong desire to prosecute" would only tend to apply when men are accused. The opposite would apply wrt women.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is totally true. This is the point. The feminists do not want any women prosecuted for false allegations and hence this case is being appealed. There is a huge reluctance by the CPS to bring any charges against women because feminists believe it puts off other women coming forward with rape accusations.

[–]MyPaynis 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think he is talking about false allegations where the government actually presses the charges made. Not a man claiming false allegations or trying to press charges.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is correct. The CPS brings charges.

[–]eletheros 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

There doesn't appear any way this could penalize the victim of her false accusation who used the UKs procedure for private prosecution. It's an inquest to her death.

Of course, it begs the question of what it could possibly find. That an accused is mentally and emotionally unstable is not a reason to not continue with a prosecution.

[–]mushybees 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

they're not trying to change anything about this particular case, it's over, he's innocent, she's a whore who lied to the police.

the push here is to try and get the high court to rule that private citizens shouldn't be allowed to do what this millionaire did, hire a private lawyer and try to clear his name. if only he'd been satisfied with the police dropping the charges and hadn't tried to clear his name in the court of public opinion, she'd still be alive and wouldn't have been charged with perverting the course of justice.

of course, another way to look at it is 'if she hadn't lied to the police, if she hadn't falsely accused a man of rape, if she'd just accepted that her past had caught up with her when he found out she was a whore, if she'd taken responsibility for her own actions - hey, you're a whore, you don't get to keep the millionaire financier when he finds out - then she'd still be alive, and wouldn't have been charged with perverting the course of justice.

my question is why the fuck does it take a millionaire hiring a private lawyer? why aren't the police investigating and referring to the CPS every false accusation that is demonstrably false?

[–]ashlaaaaay 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly, the real injustice is that he needed to be rich in order to obtain any kind of justice

[–]eletheros 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

the push here is to try and get the high court to rule that private citizens shouldn't be allowed to do what this millionaire did, hire a private lawyer and try to clear his name.

It's clear that is the goal, but to accept that premise requires believing that those emotionally unable to handle being prosecuted shouldn't be prosecuted. I may poke fun at the lack of rights UK citizens have, but the country hasn't gone so far off the deep end that such a idea would gain ground. Nor do I see the courts suddenly objecting to a policy in place since the 19th century.

A more likely issue is that the CPS can take over a private case, then discontinuing it. But taking over the case in the first place is a statement that CPS finds worth in the case.

my question is why the fuck does it take a millionaire hiring a private lawyer?

Better that than the system that would be in place if it wasn't an option - such as in the US now - where these false accusations don't ever get prosecuted.

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i still hold on to the hope that reason and logic will win out here in the UK, if only because we don't tend to change laws too willy-nilly and the house of lords especially is good at nuking bad legislation. but the media and academia are so heavily infiltrated by SJWs and feminists and authoritarian lefties it really makes one despair.

[–]DroogDim 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You say "whore" like it's a bad thing. I know some great people who've done sex work.

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i was trying to use the word neutrally. the intent was for the word 'whore' to have no more ill will than the word 'millionaire.'

it's not a value judgment, i don't think millionaires are necessarily bad people...

[–]geniice -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The police have finite resources. Chasing people down for false accusations isn't going to be much of a priority given all the other calls on their time. Convicting a significant chunk of the country for falsely reporting mobile phones stolen would also cause issues with broader social stability.

Even where they are interested in investigating its not easy for them to get anywhere “demonstrably false” accusations are going to be pretty uncommon.

Remember the CPS will only prosecute if there is a realistic prospect of conviction. Convictions are at the standard of beyond reasonable doubt.

If the two people had sex on the time and date in question winning the case is going to be near impossible (you would effectively need to prove consent beyond reasonable doubt).

If the two people had sex near the time and date in question winning is going to be extremely difficult (you are going to need to prove that the accuser wasn't simply mistaken about the date again beyond reasonable doubt).

If you can somehow prove the two didn't have sex that still leaves you with the problem that you need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that there wasn't a case of mistaken identity or false memory syndrome. Tricky.

Perhaps the Police would be better off going after all the people who falsely claimed that their mobile was stolen.

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Resources will always be finite, and trade offs must be considered, of course. What I'm talking about is cases where a man is accused, by name, and can produce proof of his innocence (electronic records, CCTV, whatever). At the moment the police usually just drop the charges and end it there. Occasionally they'll fine the false accuser for wasting police time (misdemeanour style), and in a ridiculously low number of cases, they'll actually prosecute the false accuser for attempting to pervert the course of justice (felony level). They only take this last action when they are absolutely sure they will get a conviction. In this case, they took option A right up until the point where the dude's private case had enough evidence to get a conviction. I'm arguing that they should have taken option C from the start, as they should in all cases where its clear that the accusation was false.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Resources will always be finite, and trade offs must be considered, of course. What I'm talking about is cases where a man is accused, by name, and can produce proof of his innocence (electronic records, CCTV, whatever).

Thats pretty uncommon.

I'm arguing that they should have taken option C from the start, as they should in all cases where its clear that the accusation was false.

It wasn't clear from the start that the accusation was false merely that there wasn't enough evidence to make it worth taking to court. Officers thinking that there were inconsistencies in her evidence doesn't mean that they think it is clear that the accusation is false. It just means that they think the defence would win any court case.

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the dude produced texts from her from days after the alleged incident and told the police they could check the CCTV from ann summers to show she'd been sex toy shopping with him days after she alleged he drugged and raped her. that's a pretty clear basis that investigation is appropriate. but the police didn't bother and he had to spend his own money to get a private prosecution going. those of us who aren't millionaires can't afford to get the justice he got.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thousands of men assaulted by the justice system because of false rape accusations and thats seen as a fair price to pay, but a pretty girl offs herself after having been caught red handed making one such accusation and suddenly we need to change the whole justice system

[–]Tmomp 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Besides the criminal behavior of the woman in this case, the police and justice system seem to have contributed strongly to the outcome. They escalated this case from what could have been a woman trying to use them and not succeeding to a globally known scandal by pursuing it with no evidence.

Simple due process and treating the accusation like any other, that required evidence or at least something other than just believing someone unquestioningly, could have made this case a minor mistake by an unhappy woman.

Institutionalized sexism doesn't help anyone. Nor does dropping due process. Due process doesn't just protect the accused. It protects society. It protects everyone.

[–]mushybees 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They escalated this case from what could have been a woman trying to use them and not succeeding to a globally known scandal by pursuing it with no evidence.

actually the police didn't even try to investigate her for perverting the course of justice. the man supplied them with evidence he was innocent and she was lying, they dropped the charges against him and did nothing about her.

he had to hire a private lawyer for 200 grand to investigate and bring a private prosecution against her, which uncovered enough concrete evidence that the CPS took it over. then she killed herself three days before she was due to stand trial.

if there's lessons to be learned here, they are the following:

1, don't lie to the police. if you're a genuine victim of rape, don't tell the police you were on your way home from a bible study group when in fact you were on your way home from your secret boyfriend's house. the police are trained to Assume nothing, Believe no one, and Check everything. if you lie to the police, they will find out, and once you've lied to them once they're going to have a hard time believing anything else you say, as well as the defense being able to use that proof of a lie to discredit you in court. don't lie to the police.

2, women who pervert the course of justice should be investigated and prosecuted by the police, it shouldn't take a wealthy man and a private prosecution to get justice. this would also have the beneficial side effect of reducing the number of false accusations.

3, if false accusations go down, police are more and more likely to take genuine cases seriously. this will help those genuine victims to get justice, will help to put more rapists behind bars and will reassure genuine victims that they will not be subject to victim blaming.

what's the betting that a new inquest won't bring any of these issues up?

[–]Wargame4life 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for this whore.

She made a false allegation against the guy and was willing to ruin his life for her gain, He simply was holding her accountable for her lies and she couldn't cope with facing the music of her own warped shitty house of cards when it came crashing down.

she was mortified of facing the position she tried to get him into by lying.

Fuck her, and I'm glad she is rotting in the ground, one less moronic deluded skank who thinks they can do whatever they want and the world should somehow cater to their whim.

she was a whore (literally) and her prince charming upon discovering her whorish ways, sensibly broke it off.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Despite all the hate i agree with you :)

[–]Wargame4life 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

she is a victim of her own doing. both emotionally and physically

[–]Jack92783 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, with how expansive the definition of rape has become, there's no such thing as a false allegation.

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[–]Jack92783 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if you don't go that far... rape seems to be defined as "Intercourse that a woman, at any point, regrets".

Accusing the male participant of "rape" would seem to serve as almost prima facie evidence that she regretted the encounter.

So, absent the complete falsehood of intercourse having occurred at any point, the charge is logically valid.

It's up to the justice and legislative systems to work out at what point the logic becomes ridiculous, although there will likely be a long period of darkness before they do.

[–]Deefry 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Snapshot.

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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the UK, feminists, including the Labour party, want to stop the prosecution of women who make false allegations of rape. This cannot be tolerated. She was not a victim of a crime, He was. Most women are brought up to believe it is OK to harm men. ie Men not allowed to hit women, men cannot defend themselves etc.

[–]bertreapot 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the whole strategy is very odd. don't prosecute women for lying about rape, they say, because it will keep real victims from coming forward. in reality, It's only protecting people who use false rape accusations as a tool of revenge. It's very insidious, I think it's very clear feminists know many rape claims have to be false, they just don't want a very effective weapon against men to be taken away from them.

[–]mushybees 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i would agree, but she crossed the line when she falsely accused him of rape. if it was just him finding out she was a whore and dumping her, followed by her suicide, i'd have all the compassion in the world. but not when she tried to ruin his life and have him locked up on a false charge. that's too far.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But occasionally, much like we try to show compassion for all of the mentally unstable men who commit crimes and wind up in prison, its not a bad idea to hold some compassion for a young mentally ill girl who did something stupid and later killed herself.

I'm going to respectfully point out that the groups pushing to reform prison in Europe are largely pushing only to do so for women. It's only women that go without uniforms, only women that get community based jails instead of a central location. It's only women getting lobbied to be opted out of prison altogether.

Until the day comes that we start talking about prisoners situation's first, and their gender second, rather than the other way around, and we stop with the double standard around personal responsibility and gender, a perfectly valid response is to ask women to actually pay the penalty that's on the books for the crimes they commit.

[–]cymrich 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

here is an article that is far less biased...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11478683/Eleanor-de-Freitas-false-rape-case-Escort-rumours-heightened-fear-of-prosecution.html

[–]Regnes 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet at the same time it's perfectly ok for a woman to make a false rape claim and take it public when she doesn't get her way and charges aren't laid. I forgot, the justice system is only supposed to benefit women.

[+]alcockell -6 points-5 points-4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WHAT A FUCKING WHITE KNIGHT! I WAS RAPED BY GIRLS BY THEIR OWN DEFINITION! I LOST 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE TO SUICIDAL EATING! MY SEXUALDEVELOPMENT WAS COMPLETELY DERAILED!

FUCK YOU ALISON SAUNDERS! FUCK YOU EXTREMIST FEMINISTS!

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

honestly she deserved to die for making those accusations if they were not true. disgusting

[–]mushybees 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

bit harsh. deserved a good few years in prison, but not death.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

a few? im sorry but its an eye for an eye. if he was convicted he would have lost his life, she should too.

sex offender registry is basically a death sentence

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

i don't fully agree with you there, but nvm

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

if you cannot get a job, cannot get affordable housing, cannot buy food....that is a death sentence.

ok. maybe stringing her up is a bit harsh. but she should at least serve the max sentence for rape, or maybe she needs to experience rape to understand why you cant go around making false claims

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

max sentence for perverting the course of justice is life imprisonment, though that's uncommon. last time i remember anyone being convicted was an MP who tried to get his wife take his speeding ticket points. he got four years

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

no. im implying that false accusations of rape should get the max sentence for rape. sex offender registry and all. it is a sexual crime

[–]mushybees 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

well that's never going to take off

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and that bring us back full circle to the content of the post. thinking like that is exactly why false rape claims exist.

think about it, you wouldent rob a bank. but if it was ok to do so you would.

point is we need stronger, but also more reasonable anti-rape laws (the measure passed by NYS is a joke and only makes the false rape issue bigger) and much stiffer laws about lying about rape. they both destroy a persons life equally so equal sentences is reasonable.

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