Not sure what I expected.

Vandechoz · 2015-02-27T21:24:18+00:00

apparently it's not their job to educate me

lol

Grainier · 2015-02-27T20:11:55+00:00

You keep being awesome as well OP!

azazelcrowley · 2015-02-27T20:11:40+00:00

Not too sure the respect part always stands up, but the debating bit does. And i've noticed backpeddling tends to occur if someone is disrespectful and gets respected in response, which is always a bit amusing.

aesopstortoise · 2015-02-27T21:33:29+00:00

I just had a good read of your original post. Some interesting conversations, but I feel that the over-arching nature of feminism's explanation for everything, patriarchy, always ends up getting in the way. It's the great big Belief Elephant that has parked its arse in the middle of the room and taken up all the space. Real debate is almost impossible in these circumstances, as the subject that is actually under discussion is the existence of an invisible elephant.

SwanOfAvon22 · 2015-02-27T19:54:45+00:00

aw shucks :)

PeteTheFirst · 2015-02-28T02:30:25+00:00

When I had this class in college on feminism a few weeks back, one of the main, overwhelming reasons for some of the women having been turned off feminism was how patronizing feminism can be to those with questions, doubts, arguments etc. The #YesAllWomen hashtag particularly rubbed a good few up the wrong way - one mentioned the tag in a "how dare anyone try to speak for me, I can voice my own opinions" kind of way and was cheered by other women in the class. The reaction to "women against feminism" on feminist forums - ranging from ridicule to downright degradation - was also cited.

There seems to be a widespread perception among women that feminists don't tend to tolerate dissent. At all. From my own anecdotal evidence, although I always hesitate to brushstroke a political movement, this seems to be incredibly widespread.

xTRYPTAMINEx · 2015-02-28T00:08:14+00:00

Thank you for taking the time to look into things on both sides.

DougDante · 2015-02-28T04:40:38+00:00

This sub needs the participation of women like you. Thank you for being a part of this community.

capnuck · 2015-02-28T03:40:56+00:00

Did you check your privilege? I hear you have to do that first. /s

PM_ME_UR_PLANTS · 2015-02-28T00:14:18+00:00

"...some reason that would make me see why some of my friends liked feminism"

Men's rights are emotionally unsettling for many, and children believe what they are told. Those two things together go a long way.

I was a male feminist. Feminism is really appealing to men with low self-esteem/self-loathing. It tells them they are the bad guy that they already feel like they are. It also gives them an illusory "carrot on a stick" through theoretical redemption by white knighting.

For women, I think the victim narrative and victimhood as power seem to be where feminism holds the greatest appeal. To find out if that is the case, you'd probably have to find a reformed one.

I think feminism (or any other radical social ideology) also has a real appeal to the abused. It gives them a simple identity they can embrace, and that identity typically plays into existing emotions as well as giving them a way to rationalize why they were abused.

I should also add that this isn't the limit of the emotional appeal that can exist for both feminism and traditionalism, but a few major points.

shitezlozen · 2015-02-28T01:43:44+00:00

Hey I just went through your CMV post and one thing kind of stuck with me.

My bro and his wife live in Greece and are expecting a child shortly. I was talking to my bro and asked him if he was getting any paternity leave. His answer was no, he might get a couples of days off but that's about it. My sister-in-law has been on medical leave due to the difficulty of the pregnancy and her maternity leave ends on September 2016. I am pretty sure there are other factor that are included for that time frame that I am not privy to.

There are stark differences from country to country but feminism as an ideology/group, in my opinion, frankly don't care. They will look to women's issues and try to bring them into "balance" with men's. But areas where women have benefited more than men will be overlooked because they have the rights/benefits they want.

Feminism as an ideology/movement has a monopoly on gender issues and fights to keep that monopoly under the guise of "we are also helping men" yet they never address those issues. They simply say it's the patriarchy/ societal gender roles and that is why MR has because an issue.

5HourEnergyExtra · 2015-02-28T00:50:04+00:00

Thanks for joining, always nice to have new members.

ICantReadThis · 2015-02-28T01:37:41+00:00

Given how depressing finding out about most of facts in this sub are, people like you probably keep more than a few folks sane. Thanks for that.

rg57 · 2015-02-28T02:11:09+00:00

Oh no. You asked them to "enact that labor". Take cover.

Faryshta · 2015-02-28T02:38:22+00:00

but apparently it's not their job to educate me

meaning: i have no arguments to provide but i will blame you as a person instead

chafedinksmut · 2015-02-28T02:49:58+00:00

Thank you, OP. It helps keep me sane knowing that...well...it may be cliche but, in fact, not ALL women are like that. :)

somebodypurple · 2015-02-28T03:15:06+00:00

feminism is one giant circlejerk, after all.

words that apply to feminism: religion, cult, circlejerk, fascism, uhhh

DavidByron2 · 2015-02-27T22:11:45+00:00

Anyone call you a rapist? That's a common feminist argument.

q_-_p · 2015-02-28T00:05:48+00:00

It's as simple as intelligence:

"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."

This is key in being able to be scientific and rational.

These people are literally disabled. They have not reached a critical mass of intelligence to be able to do this.

They likely suffer even more from confirmation bias, being scammed, dunning-kruger, religion and many other mental ailments.

So many of the major issues we are facing today basically comes down to a war on ignorance.

MRSPArchiver · 2015-02-27T19:44:45+00:00

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Valhar2000 · 2015-03-04T12:37:08+00:00

Keep being awesome!

This comment is offensive and discriminatory of the people who are not awesome. I demand that you apologize and that people give me money on Patreon.

Humankeg · 2015-02-28T01:11:43+00:00

The difference between main stream feminism and the crazies in a lot of the forums on reddit, and /r/mensrights, feminism fights for preferential treatment, to reduce the rights of men, and treat them as second class citizens.

While men's rights fights for equality and equal treatment. Women are held responsible for their actions the same way as men are. You don't hear this sub asking for women to lose the right to vote, or to lose funding for breast cancer research, nor do men ask for preferential treatment. We simply ask for the same treatment, which women do receive the better of at the moment.

This is why this sub is not misogynistic, and most feminism boards are full of nothing but hate and misandry.

Title	Not sure what I expected.
Author	Tabbynya
Upvotes	151
Comments	35
Date	February 27, 2015 7:44 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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