If game doesn't work, what does?

difficultconcept · 2019-06-25T19:16:44+00:00

"Game" does work with women who had traumatic childhood, though it is still emotional abuse. That's what TRP is all about.

forever_erratic · 2019-06-25T18:22:25+00:00

Treating women like people. And, before that, having worked on yourself long enough that you are worthwhile (steady job, steady home, not a slob, not a creep, have a hobby or two, have some non-creep friends).

ThorGrayV · 2019-06-26T03:48:06+00:00

There is really nothing better than confidence combined with genuine humility

The red pill is so binary - as is there are two modes and one is right one is wrong and if you show feelings you’re out

It’s really the opposite

And all people are inherently needy and connect through vulnerability

Neediness is not wrong - we all are

What’s wrong is putting you’re needs above another and objectifying people that is the root of true ugly neediness

This is why classic “nice guy” doesn’t work - because he’s not really nice. He’s trying to do things to get something from someone he’s probably objectified

Red pill guys are one step above that and just know how to pretend to be confident enough to have some success - confidence can be sexy on its own because it allows for a woman to be herself and have space too she assumes she doesn’t need to be a certain way for a guy and he must just like her for her - another imperfect human whereas nice guy expects her to be some kind of princess and she’s objectified and boxed in

Once this same girl discovers she was gamed it’s usually game over only much worse because she learns how badly she was objectified - much worse even than the classic nice guy

What works is treating others as individuals like people with wants and needs just like you - maybe even opposed to yours. Realizing that not every woman will love you even if you think she should and learning that rejection is part of life and sometimes things change if you’re good to people they might come around later with some life experience. That it’s better to be a hero than a heartless jerk wreaking havoc on others - people with just as many hardships and struggles as you if not more.

You can’t win over every person - most women will only select a rare few men in their lives (and they are not all the same 20% we have far different tastes based on chemistry, background, attraction, family, age, etc)

Be yourself- spend time learning to be the best version of yourself - I guarantee the guy the girls flock to the most is not some raging jerk who treats them badly. I should know - and in fact if it seems that way it’s because abuse usually starts later on when a woman is already hooked in.

What hurts the most in these boards is this “female nature” crap which seems to enable young men to see women even more like horrible objects to use and discard

Nothing could be further from the truth - there are bad apples but a woman is often a pretty good reflection of a man she is with. And I doubt most men would find their mother to be soulless and uncaring. Sure lots of young women are fickle but not bad - it’s naivete and trust. They are easily manipulated for the simple reason that they are so kind usually it’s hard to believe anyone would take advantage of them or be terrible.

A girl not wanting to sleep with you is not a rejection or a crime nor a vote for some mysterious chad. It may be becssue she’s not actually wanting to sleep around and sees through these attempts to get something that belongs to her, not various men/boys.

Yesm3can · 2019-06-25T21:52:51+00:00

Do you want short term or long term relationship?

Game can work on short term, but not on long term, if that is not your natural personality.

Many men who have complained that their women left after they've dropped the 'game' never thought that the women are leaving because they were being bait-and-switched by themselves.

It is like buying a ticket for Pearl Jam and got Maroon 5 on stage instead. Of course people are gonna leave.

TheMadWoodcutter · 2019-06-26T03:16:31+00:00

Authenticity. Vulnerability. Compassion. Empathy.

claireauriga · 2019-07-03T09:04:37+00:00

There's a phrase which goes 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes'. Your personality and flirting will attract compatible people and responses.

If you use adversarial, manipulative tactics, you will attract people with adversarial, manipulative, maladapted attitudes towards relationships.

If you are comfortable and happy with yourself and your life, you will attract people who are also comfortable and happy with themselves. Less high-flying excitement, but less drama.

If you're clingy and desperate, you'll attract people who have difficulty with boundaries, whether unconsciously or maliciously.

You have to put out the kind of energy and attitude that you want to receive from your partner.

bunker_man · 2019-06-28T01:25:12+00:00

The point is not that being fit and assertive don't help. Its that you don't need to be sexist and demeaning in the process. The latter is the equivalent of pointing out you can get money by robbing banks. Sure, you can, but eventually it normally blows up in your face. "Chads" who don't know how to maintain a good relationship because they can't treat the one they are dating as equals become the grizzled dirty divorced depressed 55 year olds eating dinner at the strip club buffet.

roguish_rogue · 2019-06-25T23:39:07+00:00

Game works fine, but game is not what you think it is, its not routines and tricks, those dont work. You can have game, just dont be playing a game, aside from when flirting, that can be a game. You can have a story that you love to tell, thats fine, but you need to be able to just be genuine and in the moment, you dont have to be an open book, you do have to be you tho, and not pretending to be someone you are not, pretending to be someone you are not only works if you are a psychopath.

You can totally learn to be better with women, you can improve your bodylanguage conciously, you can become comfortable with eye contact and physical contact, you can learn to be comfortable around women and enjoy the company of women, you can learn what parts of your personality is attractive to women(thru experience) and emphasise that, you can adopt attractive behaviors and habits and get rid of unattractive behaviors and habits, you can realise in what ways women are different than men and behave accordingly, you can learn to have a sense of style and dress well, there are so many things to learn that guys talked about as game on the forums back in the early 2k's before that stupid book came out, things that can take guys from being clueless and unattractive to becoming really charming and attractive.

You can build confidence thru lifestyle choices, but most people have more confidence or less confidence than they should have "objectively"(basically everyone is delusional, so you may aswell have a positive useful delusion), obviously having confidence anchored in something real is great, but it can be a choice to some degree, autosuggestion can be a very useful tool for confidence and mindset in general(a core of what PUA's used to refer to as inner game), confidence is super attractive, but while you can build it, and not just thru accomplishments, you can't really fake it. Get a girlfriend and decide to learn to become really good in bed, thats a great confidence anchor, most guys suck in bed.

One thing TRP gets right is: Hit the gym, do this, no excuses, not just for looks but for hormones and brain chemistry, its the only thing that can kind of be a magic bullet for some, also traning martial arts, its really great for bodylanguage and confidence, makes you hard to intimidate, if you had to choose just one hobby to make you more attractive to the biggest amount of women thats probably it, but thats just lifestyle, not game... or is it :p

SHAKIRAISHOT · 2019-06-25T21:44:08+00:00

become the best version of yourself and you will undoubtedly find someone who wants to be with you. game is mimicking narcissistic morons.

let me ask you something.

if game works, why doesnt it? the guy over at bulldog mindset has approached THOUSANDS of women and claims that hes gone out and approach 100 many nights and literally doesnt get anything. 0% success rate and the dude is actually pretty jacked. but his face isnt that great but red pill says all that matters is your "frame" and game and dumb shit like that.

the only thing red pill gets right is self improvement and unironically its the least talked about thing over there, and talking about improving isnt improving. all they talk about is how to act like a cocky douchebag, manipulating women, blaming women, and stupid games that literally do not even fucking work.

what works? you work. and be a genuine human and you will undoubtedly find someone.

Oglow100 · 2019-06-30T04:52:00+00:00

RSD style game doesn't depend on the same principles as routine based game seen in the old school pick up community. Their principles are a lot more about self development and becoming a complete person before entering a relationship and choosing a partner from a position of self sufficiency and so I think their approach is more helpful than any routine style game. They focus on principles like social conditioning, self amusement, presence and abundance of positivity.

Title	If game doesn't work, what does?
Author	shrededcheese
Upvotes	11
Comments	54
Date	June 25, 2019 6:01 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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