One thing I never understood about RedPill types is rather simple

Primary_Objective_24 · 2025-03-26T16:34:03+00:00

They’re convinced either of the following

They’re not misogynistic but rather hold women accountable
Women like misogynistic men.
If they were/are attractive enough, they can get away with it
If they’re not outright saying women are inferior in all aspects of life then they’re not truly misogynistic but rather being “logical” and stating “facts”.
Misogyny doesn’t exist

cuntextualize · 2025-03-26T15:11:56+00:00

Because that would require a level of self awareness and reflection they do not possess

WannaBeA_Vata · 2025-03-27T11:33:27+00:00

They don't accept that they're doing anything wrong. There is shame involved in calling out your own behavior. In order to accept that you have done something that ugly, you have to love yourself enough to forgive yourself. They do not love themselves enough. At the end of the day, the red pill is about being externally validated because they aren't internally validating. There is nothing in the world more woman-centered than the manosphere.

ooa3603 · 2025-03-26T15:46:16+00:00

In order to fix a problem and assign blame, you have to correctly identify it first. Your values and base assumptions of life will determine what you can perceive and identify.

They hold values of masculinity, universal base assumptions and beliefs that blind them to the misogyny. A lot of times they genuinely don't perceive their values as misogynistic.

You can't reflect on what you don't see, so they never blame misogyny, only the women.

Dingus1210 · 2025-03-26T18:09:32+00:00

Repill dudes still get women, but they get toxic women that also fall for their BS and it just validates the stupid things they say. Then it turns into this nasty toxic vicious cycle until one or both of them put their hands on each other and get arrested.

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2025-03-26T23:30:15+00:00

It doesn't really factor in. Attraction is a moral. Being a misogynist doesn't prevent one from being successful with women.

Big-Wasabi-8477 · 2025-03-26T17:23:13+00:00

Its not that they woman dont like them because theyre misogynistic, they hate women because women dont like them.... and theyre also bombarded with stereotypes of what women (supposedly) like in teen comedies (jock), urban music videos (rich thug)..

So they think thats what the female body responds to, and pay fortunes to PUA scammers in hopes of becoming the douchebag women go for... but thats because they need the validation of scoring a shallow Barbie (the type of girl that goes for that type of dudes) instead of a cute girl next doot that might give them a chance if they werent such assholes or had at least average looks

TheClappyCappy · 2025-03-26T17:50:43+00:00

As someone who has spent the last 10 years of my life chronically online, and has accidentally fallen into some of these hateful groups, I can shine sone light in this for anyone who wants the real answer:

I think the premise of the Red Pill relies heavily on distrusting any traditional media, as well as institutions like schools and the government.

The entire “Red Pill” metaphor is a reference to the movie The Matrix and the whole premise is that the “real world” is actually a simulation and only by taking “Red Pill” will you be able to escape this fake reality like the famous Cave Analogy by Plato.

So in order to “join” the Red Pill ideology you need to renounce your trust or belief in anything that contradicts the Red Pill as this is “Blue Pill” aka fake news / propaganda that shouldn’t be beloved and only exists to keep men weak.

Red Pill gatekeepers will double down by saying that any belief in the “Blue Pill” ideas will prevent you from accepting the “truths” that red pill provide as men have supposedly been conditioned to reject their natural programming in exchange for the belief system of the “liberal ruling class”.

So basically Red Pill will save your life, but Red Pill will make you learn things that are so taboo and so shunned in society that you need to reject any preconceived notion of “the truth” in order to actually allow yourself to accept the information and receive the full “benefit”.

As a result, most guys who believe in Red Pill don’t believe in misogyny. They think that sexism is a lie invented by institutions who want to control them aka the government and schools through guilt and shame and that part of accepting the pill is to reject any idea that goes against the pill.

This is why “no moralizing” is a rule in the sidebar or Red Pill. The claim is that arguing about socially determined rights or wrongs will muddy the information and it should be radically accepted as a natural truth and questioning it with statements like “wow will believing this make me a worse person or partner” just gets in the way of digesting the information.

Naturally this is a great excuse to start saying really sexist and hateful things, as anyone who questions those statements is immediately kicked out of the group for going against one of the primary tenants of the ideology.

I think it’s pretty well documented that the further to the right you go on the political ideology spectrum you get people who are less educated, due to a distrust in big government or institutions.

This is why republicans always want government to be smaller, and to privatize all kinds of services even tho they provide lots to people who are in need. They are paranoid and scared of anything trying to “encroach” into their lifestyle, but as we can see from recent political events they clearly have no problem encroaching into the lifestyle of others. It’s clear therefor that the true fear is not government but a fear of “others” and a distaste for anyone who is “different from them” aka racism, sexist, xenophobia, homophobia, and religious freedom for any religion except their religion. Participation to their religion is mandatory.

jostyouraveragejoe2 · 2025-03-26T15:52:56+00:00

Usually the not being able to get in bed with women predates the misogyny. And like others have said they don't view it as misogyny. After all they see men (who are predatory ) get women acting that way ignoring the fact that those women leave when they come to their senses.

GladysSchwartz23 · 2025-03-26T21:28:20+00:00

"Why don't these subhuman, evil people want to f*** me?"

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Careful_Football7643 · 2025-03-30T05:31:34+00:00

Replying to a comment made by Dingus1210 that is as follows:

Repill dudes still get women, but they get toxic women that also fall for their BS and it just validates the stupid things they say. Then it turns into this nasty toxic vicious cycle until one or both of them put their hands on each other and get arrested.

*Here is my response*: There is absolutely zero reason to make any judgments about the women who are involved with men in the Red Pill cult. The ONLY PEOPLE who can be held accountable for being in The Red Pill cult are its members, the men (along with the leaders of the cult). Victims of abusive behaviors that result from the misogynistic beliefs perpetuated by this cult are not to be held accountable for anything other than their own behaviors. Making sweeping generalizations about VICTIMS is called...

... you guessed it! VICTIM BLAMING!

And I believe we all have a duty to call out victim blaming when we encounter it.

Also keep in mind that defensiveness and anger are natural, healthy responses to mistreatment and abuse. Women who react in anger to misogyny are justified in feeling angry. The Red Pill men are 100% accountable for any violence towards or abuse of their female partners.

phoenixalot · 2025-03-30T15:25:05+00:00

Because their misogyny is the result of them not being able to get into bed with women.

internexioads · 2025-03-31T18:39:48+00:00

This is an interesting question that gets at something fundamental about belief systems in general. From my experience discussing these topics, there are a few psychological factors at play:

Most people who adopt "RedPill" ideologies genuinely don't see their views as misogynistic. They often frame their beliefs as "understanding female nature" or "seeing reality clearly," which in their mind isn't hatred but recognition of what they believe are biological or social truths.
There's a powerful psychological concept called the fundamental attribution error - we tend to attribute others' behaviors to their character while attributing our own behaviors to external circumstances. So when rejection happens, it's easier to blame external factors ("women only want X type of men") than internal ones ("perhaps my approach or attitudes are problematic").
Once someone invests heavily in an identity or worldview, acknowledging fundamental flaws in it becomes extremely difficult. It would require admitting not just a mistake, but that a core part of their identity and understanding of the world is incorrect.
Echo chambers reinforce these beliefs by providing constant validation and explanation frameworks that make their worldview seem coherent and validated by others' experiences.

I think a more productive approach than asking "why don't they see their misogyny?" might be exploring what needs these belief systems are meeting for people who adopt them. Often there's legitimate pain, confusion, or social struggles that lead people to seek explanatory frameworks - even problematic ones.

The most effective conversations I've had with people holding these views started by acknowledging their legitimate struggles with relationships while gently introducing alternative perspectives that don't require adopting dehumanizing beliefs about women.

Personal_Shallot_430 · 2025-03-26T17:15:54+00:00

I'm what many would call "mysoginist" yet I manage on occasion

Title	One thing I never understood about RedPill types is rather simple
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Date	March 26, 2025 3:06 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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