Feminism = Critical Thinking

lisanolisa · 2021-04-06T18:32:48+00:00

The ‘girls support girls’ movement is good for girls in middle school and high-school. That energy is needed bc there is so much sexism and toxic masculinity that is normalised. They need to reject the nasty stereotypes they are fed at a very young age about how girls are catty, etc. Also the wave of ‘not like other girls’ begins at that age.

After that, we should be able to grow from that and engage in more radical feminism that questions why we make these choices and how your feminism empowers women as a collective. A lot of women seem to think feminism is supposed to be this super nice, friendly movement that coddles you. No, every movement has basic principles and you will be criticised if you enable toxic things.

Apricot_Ibex · 2021-04-06T20:07:03+00:00

Social media seems to conflate liberal feminism with social progressivism because it has “liberal” in its name, but it is not progressive by 21st century standards. Certainly there are good things in it, but as it has morphed to become more mainstream and widely accepted, it makes huge allowances for the (sexist) status quo.

As far as I understand, one of its major flaws is that its philosophy is too individualistic, to the point that it has sometimes become nearly meaningless (“choice” feminism and serving men= empowerment), puts too much emphasis on capitalism and ignores disadvantaged women, and disenfranchises non-white women.

It tends to assume that we can just fix some laws and everything will fall into place eventually. Culture doesn’t really work like that- that’s why we still have patriarchy, racism, etc. I don’t see how anything but radical feminism can help the most exploited and marginalized women who don’t really have a “choice” in our current system.

As another poster said, lib feminism fails the critical thinking test- WHY are women the ones who are degraded in porn, who sell their bodies, who wear makeup and uncomfortable clothes, who are more likely to be sexually assaulted, who are far more likely to be murdered by their S.O., who give up their careers for domestic work and suffer economically as a result? It’s not a “choice” when your culture or economic situation forces you to comply.

Datonecatladyukno · 2021-04-06T17:26:13+00:00

Yes!! Feminism is radical. It's not "don't judge women for their choices" it's why do women make those choices and how have we been socialized, coerced, and rewarded by the patriarchy to make those decisions.

lisanolisa · 2021-04-06T17:31:20+00:00

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petitpoupee · 2021-04-07T00:54:39+00:00

I will never understand women who say “i’m not a feminist but...” why would you be ashamed to say that you’re for women’s rights? I cannot even argue with someone who’s on that level of being a pick me

spicyspa · 2021-04-06T17:34:59+00:00

The entire post was judgy about people who have a differing opinion.

Actually they are limiting MY choices when they don't want me to judge.

My judgmental opinions are an example of free expression.

My judgments DO NOT interfere with another person's behavior.

However, the demand that I don't have the right to judge someone interferes with MY freedom.

"I want to get pregnant by my unemployed, porn-addicted boyfriend. I'll set up an OF account to make ends meet since he's on it all day. This will make him change. "

Sis, that's stupid.

"Don't judge me."

I will judge, judge until the end of time. You can do what you want. You're still stupid and I have the perfect goddamn right to say it and you should thank me.

Phoenix__Rising2018 · 2021-04-06T17:56:44+00:00

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2021-04-06T18:50:59+00:00

Shout it from the rooftops.

_RustInPiece_ · 2021-04-06T22:44:46+00:00

I know this, yet I still struggle with telling LVW. This is one of the biggest challenges for me in becoming a HVW. I feel guilty for "mistreating women by speaking over them" which is absolute bs, of course. I know this on a rational level but not on an emotional one. Any idea on how to solve this? Maybe some books?

esoldelulu · 2021-04-06T19:59:37+00:00

Neo-liberal feminism has become highly individualistic because of identity politics. It’s a farce as it only pushes the patriarchal hegemony and further blurs the existence of women and the feminist movement.

These women who claim empowerment AND liberation are coming from a place of privilege. “I’m doing well (for being from a privileged class, status, race) so fuck the rest of the women.”

They can’t claim both. Just admit it, they’re EmPoWeReD by benefitting off of the backs of other women, especially WoC, who are oppressed and actively fucked over by the systemic racism, gender discrimination, and class hierarchy. But they miss the mark claiming they know what LIBERATION is entirely.

Liberation and feminism go hand in hand because if I’m doing fine, but I see my sisters out there who are not? Then if I’m going to call myself a feminist, I’m going to raise hell and tear down mountains for the purpose of making the life of other women just as good if not better than mine. REGARDLESS if I have anything in common (politically, racially, financially, etc.) with them or not.

Female Liberation is about liberating ALL women from OPPRESSION by the institutions of male hegemony. Do ALL women have free choice? Do they ALL have full control of their agency? Do they ALL have this privileged sense of empowerment? Fuck no, we all don’t.

Feminism IS abso-fucking-lutely about caring about the rest of women in the world AND RAISING THEM UP WITH US. This new age of FeMiniSm is just individuality politics posturing. It’s meant to dismantle women’s movement from becoming as strong as the patriarchal institutions. They act like as long as you embrace one’s FrEedumB of ChOicE, that systemic racism, structural inequality, and groups of oppressed and oppressors do not exist.

lluuni · 2021-04-07T15:20:06+00:00

Women should support and love each other, but this does NOT mean our choices are free of criticism from each other. The whole “it’s a woman’s choice” movement is toxic because it portrays every choice a woman makes as inherently feminist. This is not true, as many choices women make can actively harm other women in the world.

Believing that every choice is feminist is not feminism, it’s radical individualism. We can not achieve class consciousness through radical individualism as they are opposites. Women need to work together and make sacrifices for their liberation to be successful.

2021-04-06T19:39:03+00:00

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Title	Feminism = Critical Thinking
Author	veruscka
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Date	April 6, 2021 5:20 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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