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I recommend an article written by a British psychologist about why saying "Kill All Men" is harmful.

Olilord5020

April 18, 2022
36 upvotes
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https://counsellorinleeds.co.uk/blog/misandry-stop-saying-kill-all-men/
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Title I recommend an article written by a British psychologist about why saying "Kill All Men" is harmful.
Author

Olilord5020

Upvotes 36
Comments 23
Date April 18, 2022 4:24 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/u6h445/i_recommend_an_article_written_by_a_british/
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[–]thereslcjg2000left-wing male advocate 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s incredible that we need professionals to explain that joking about committing genocide against a group might be bad for that group’s mental health.

[–]Olilord5020left-wing male advocate[S] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I agree. A sane person wouldn't write or say something like that, but more than few feminists (mainly teenage girls and young adult women) are calling for a genocide of men. I repeat - I support gender equality, so I don't reject basic feminist ideas (first-wave feminists and a majority of second-wave feminists truly fought for the women's rights without hatred of men), but because I'm a man, I can't accept and even tolerate such outrageous words.

[–]Olilord5020left-wing male advocate[S] 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This article discusses the radical feminist slogan "Kill All Men" and why they should stop using it. Author of this article criticises the "Kill All Men" users' excuses, such as "this is a joke", "I didn't mean it" etc. I agree with this writer, because there is no justification of publicly calling for a genocide, even saying that "this is a joke" isn't enough to justify such hate slogan.

[–]GorchestopherH 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Super dumb.

"We have a slogan but we're just kidding."

The slogan should just be "don't take us seriously because we're literally violently insane".

[–]BloomingBrains 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"We have a slogan but we're just kidding."

Ok so your movement is a joke then since you can't even be serious in your own slogan? Why should anyone take you seriously? That would be my response.

[–]GorchestopherH 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. By extension, their slogan is "don't take us seriously, we're a bunch of clowns".

[–]34T_y3r_v3ggi3s 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I know you're a feminist and I think that's adorable but this is grown up time now and I'm the man."

-Peter Griffin.

That would be my comeback. If they're gonna come up with radical hate speech and call it activism, I don't see a problem with calling feminism childish or coming up with sexist language in return. Its pretty tame compared to what 4th wave feminism advocates for.

[–]Zinziberruderalis 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

criticises the "Kill All Men" users' excuses, such as "this is a joke", "I didn't mean it" etc

You're sure to run in to If this offends you then you're part of the problem.

[–]MelissaMiranti 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Don't worry, you're one of the good ones."

Uncle Tom was not a role model.

[–]Enzi42 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

“Don’t worry, you’re one of the good ones

Apart from everything else wrong with this statement, I always consider this such a disgusting manipulative tactic.

The person saying this is intentionally “preying on” the somewhat innate antipathy men have towards each other.

So much of our upbringing is about clashing against other men, from our mythology, to our media. Letting a man know he is “one of the good ones” acts to soothe the initial anger he will feel at hearing those like him insulted. It then bolsters his pride that he stands out from those nasty “others”.

It’s then usually followed by instructions on how to be a good guard dog—sorry ally which includes fighting against other men, at least in a figurative sense.

Thus he is commended for being “better” than other men and then given an enemy and pointed at it. All with just a few sentences.

[–]MelissaMiranti 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, it's incredibly insulting and manipulative. I suppose I hadn't thought about how manipulative it was until your comment though, so thank you for the extra insight.

[–]Enzi42 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well thank you for the compliment; I'm glad to see I imparted some insight/understanding to someone. It's why I visit this sub, to see other people's perspectives on men's issues, and it's good that I can do the same.

I can't actually remember the exact moment I understood how manipulative this phrasing was (I always got hung up on the offensiveness of it/how much it showed the overall contempt the person saying it has for men/the overall hypocrisy of generalized insults directed at women vs men).

But slowly I began to realize how often this was used to masterfully quash outrage at being insulted as a gender while simultaneously inspiring the insulted party to gain some dedication to fighting for female issues, and I realized just how thoroughly a man can be played using it.

[–]Aimless-Nomad 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women calling for the genocide of half the species is harmful. Wow who knew.

[–]TheLWMA 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't need a psychologist to tell me that the slogan is harmful.

[–]Peptocoptr 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Nooo, really? What a surprise!

While we're at it, can I just point out how "surprising" it is that an ideology which aims to indoctrinate people into thinking that there is class warfare between the two genders who built ALL of society and humanity itself is so shocked to find out that the people who bought thier narrative wish death upon thier so-called oppressors?

If you can convince a young woman that men are collectively so incapable of feeling empathy for thier wives, daughters, mothers, aunts, cousins and female friends that they would perpetuate a system that actively opresses them for thier own benefit, is it any wonder that same woman would wish death upon all men? Especially after some of them made her suffer?

To claim that there is class warfare between the genders with men on top is to claim that men are inherently sociopaths. That they always have been for all of human history. With a narrative like that, how can you not want them dead, eslaved, or reduced to a fraction of the population?

Feminists need to realize that they can't say those who spout "KAM" aren't "real feminists". They just happen to be the only feminists who actually take patriarchy theory to its natural conclusion. If you are a feminist reading this, you need to realize that your movement and the narrative behind it is DIRECTLY responsible for these people existing. You made "Kill all men" inevitable.

[–]SchalaZeal01left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To claim that there is class warfare between the genders with men on top is to claim that men are inherently sociopaths.

It's incitation to hatred, not far from being incitation to violence.

[–]Peptocoptr 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly! Once you realize that, you can't help but to start questioning patriarchy theory

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't deserve the term theory. It's just original sin repackaged. Dogma, mythology.

[–]Punder_man 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably the best paragraph in the article:

If we are expecting men to stay silent whilst people are tweeting ‘KillAllMen’ in an attempt to process trauma perpetrated by men, equality means that we should also expect women to stay silent when people tweet ‘KillAllWomen’ in an attempt to process trauma perpetrated women. If we are not promoting equality, then we are promoting privilege.

"If we are not promoting equality, then we are promoting privilege"
Could not have said it any better in my opinion.

Now, up to around the start of this year I was regularly active in the FeminismUncensored sub.. but I just could not handle the fact that even after explaining multiple times and multiple ways how KAM is offensive / harmful to people, especially as I have suffered harm / violence from multiple women from the time I was 5 years old to my early 20's they just refused to budge on the concept of KAM being nothing more than 'A Joke'

They clearly don't understand how a joke works because a joke requires context and a payoff.
#KillAllMen has no context at all especially as said when they back track and try to say "I don't ACTUALLY mean 'Kill All Men' I mean Kill the Patriarchy or Kill Misogynistic Men" but they seem to fail to grasp that you can't take the statement Kill All Men and expect people to understand that as your meaning..

And even though THEY have failed in regards to communication its men who are wrong when we call them out for it..

As I mentioned above i've suffered violence from many women in my life.. but I don't go around saying #KillAllWomen as some sort of coping mechanism as I know that what those INDIVIDUAL women did to me was wrong and I know that because of how our society treats men I will NEVER see any form of justice for the things they did to me.. but calling for the death of someone who shares the same gender as those who abused me is just asinine. Yet feminists don't seem to get this concept at all.

[–]Blauwpetjevalued LWMA contributor 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article is a lot better and broader than the rather narrow headline suggests. It comes up with many examples of misandry and links to many sources, and can be used in discussions with people who never heard about the downsides of feminism. The idiotic slogan is by no means the core business of what is talked about.

[–]Algoresball 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s common sense that saying something like that is harmful but I’ll read the article. Thanks for posting

[+]a-man-from-earth1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a good article, but we require a top-level comment from the poster saying something more about the article and giving a basis for discussion.

[–]McGauth9251 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm thinking that the people who say that don't care at all that it's harmful, so long as most of the harm is for men. The people who don't say that and don't think it, don't need to be told that it's harmful. Thus the people who most need to hear it are the least likely to let it guide their behavior.

So, we're hoping that the people who don't need to hear it will discourage those who do, and indirectly quash such overt and aggressive instances of misandry.

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