Any comments? I am speechless.

Standard-Broccoli107 · 2023-02-05T17:13:46+00:00

Well- she is right. Sons are less likely to get higher education and more likely to get substance abuse issues. This (and more examples like this) is exactly why we are here arguing for mens rights. Because so many men get neglected in society.

If I get kids I will pray for daughters too- because as a parent I want my kids to have the best life and the most options possible.

Where me and her disagree is that I want to make my kids lives as great as possible she wants her kids to make her life as great as possible.

How sad is it that she views her kids as a resource to exploit?

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2023-02-05T17:30:11+00:00

Female supremacism is a thing.

_BlueShark87 · 2023-02-05T17:19:26+00:00

And she’s completely right which is why this sub exists.

WhyIamLegend · 2023-02-05T17:29:20+00:00

These people seem to say that having son and men in general is useless but they seem to forget that everything from the time they get up and look out of the window everything was built by men. I would say men had made the entire world we live in today.

Throning · 2023-02-05T20:06:56+00:00

As a general thing?

Replace any of their instances of "men" with "blacks" or "jews" or "asians", and it would no question appear that this person would be aggressively racist. Which brings to point that this person is aggressively sexist against men.

Tearing it down point by point?

Violent crime is committed by both genders; incidence rate is admittedly higher from men, but that doesn't mean women aren't capable. There have been several female serial killers and plenty of women involved, in some form, with organized crime, that the argument on numbers and incidence rate loses a lot of it's value. I would actually expect any further discussion on this point from them to revolve around gendered incidence of victimhood, while denying that a plain majority of violent crimes are indeed committed by men, but also target and make victims out of other men more than they do target or make victims out of women.

Rape as a talking point is exactly the kind of thing where a significant amount of court law explicitly defines rape as vaginal penetration with a penis - without much if any equality in the law to recognize forced-to-penetrate cases as legal rape in those jurisdictions. This offers implicit, systematic bias that basically makes their argument irrelevant. If a law passed that said All Women Must Wear Dresses, it'd be implicit, systematic bias because that law would only legislate women's attire, even if there would be 99% of cases of women breaking that law.

On prisoners, it would also be worth pointing out that even when a man and a woman would commit the same crime, men typically get sentenced to harsher punishments. For really no other reason than they are men. This contributes to there being more men in prison, as a general statement, because they are serving longer sentences from the jump.

On mass shootings, they are still relatively "new" crimes that a lot of them are still being analyzed and discussed. The easiest answer is mental health issues, but neither pointing out the most common/nearly exclusive aspect that men commit them, or pointing out the biggest factor is mental health, actually does anything to solve the issue. It's a repetition of the argument/point about rape - just in mass shooting form.

On schools, there is enough argument to be made that too much of the education system is set up to be anti-male; how many boys are diagnosed as ADHD and put on pills? How much of education asks boys to do very not-boy-like behavior? Has this person actually seen the economy and how tough it is to make ends meet that might prevent or discourage men from going to college, or having pressure to drop out simply because they can't afford to stay enrolled or don't want to commit to crippling student debt?

On addicts, I know more women who enjoy smoking marijuana to addict levels and deny that they have a problem than I do men; so if it's an argument over anecdotal bullshit, that's all that really amounts to. Nevermind the rising numbers of women turning to alcohol and there being entire articles pointing out rising women being teetotalers and binge drinkers to the point of alcoholism. Seems a bit ignorant to just say "all men are smokers, addicts, and drunks", when rising amounts of women are too.

Care giving is it's own thing where this person seems incredibly unaware of how screwed the health care system is. And with men's general work ethic, and expectation to provide for themselves and their families, that most men can't just cut hours to take care of granny - or that if they would, it'd risk putting themselves or their families in poverty to do it. Families do a lot for each other, but I'm not sure this person actually hears or understands their argument from a masculine perspective, and is only making an appeal to emotion to sound like they have some moral high ground.

The summary at the end just wraps it up but leaves none of the points actually given the attention or care they deserve, it doesn't offer solutions or even leave the floor open for discussion or rebuttal, it doesn't offer anything than a convenient pat-on-their-own-back and "look I did good didn't I?" to themselves.

neighborhoodpainter · 2023-02-05T18:41:58+00:00

"99% of rapists are men". Based on government stats, yes. According to CDC stats, no. Because, you know, many states and countries don't recognize female on male rape, as well as there's a significant number of under-reporting.

"There are way more male prisoners than female prisoners". Sure, but you also have to be aware that women are more likely to avoid jail and prison compared to men and men receive 60% or more prison sentencing compared to women for the same crime or similar criminal histories.

"Men are performing worse in schools and college" - probably because there's been a massive push to get women into higher education, therefore leaving men to fall behind i.e. there's a lot more resources for women compared to men now. But funny how she doesn't realize this even though she mentioned, "men have been hogging all the resources". Now it's the opposite. Even then, men still make up the majority of graduates when it comes to useful degrees i.e. STEM degrees. Despite there being a massive push to get more women into STEM, there's still not as many compared to men.

"More female caregivers than male caregivers" - Sure, and this is a difference between the genders. Men are more into things, women are more into people. Women are more likely to go into people based professions. This is also a reason why men are more likely to be CEOs, spend 100+ hours at work, and build things a lot more compared to women. Because, you know, there's gender differences. Also, which gender is the one that's inventing most of the medicine, health and technological advancements (even now in first world, western countries) so that elderly people can live longer and attempt to live more healthier lives? Oh right, the male gender.

"Men are more likely to be addicts, smokers, drunks". Well, according to addictioncenter: "Typically, men are more likely to abuse illicit drugs and alcohol – 11.5% of boys and men over 12 have a substance use disorder, compared to 6.4% of women and girls. However, women are more likely to go to the emergency room or fatally overdose due to substance abuse." And: "Women are more likely to experience intense cravings and relapse."

Also, we have to understand why men are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol, the link provided above talks about it a little bit: "Men are more likely to abuse substances due to peer pressure or to be part of a group." but we also can't forget, men are more likely to be homeless compared to women and there's less resources for men (for mental health, domestic abuse, etc), so men have a higher chance of substance abuse.

She's looking at it from a surface level view, not realizing there are reasons why men are falling behind in society and her comments is one of the reasons why. But no, to her, it's women good and superior, men bad and inferior.

If we really want to make it a competition between sons vs. daughters: Men built the vast majority of things around us. Even with more gender parity now, men still invent the vast majority of things around us and maintain the infrastructure that so many people, including the woman in your post, take for granted.

Lanky-Bank-320 · 2023-02-05T19:13:45+00:00

This is why daughters are the way they are. They use their relationship issues and their misandrist values and put in their children

63daddy · 2023-02-05T19:55:27+00:00

She’s using the apex/nadir fallacy. She’s essentially categorizing all men based on a few. Men may rape more than women, but most men don’t rape for example. She’s judging all men by the actions of a small minority.

Of course she focuses on the detriments without mentioning all the positive things men do. Men build most of or infrastructure, men overall provide for family more than women, men risk their lives defending our country and doing dangerous jobs. She of course fails to mention negative attributes of women: committing infanticide, paternity fraud, shop lifting, etc.

Qantourisc · 2023-02-05T21:25:42+00:00

Yes, reply this:

I assume you consider the genders somewhat equal, and not inherently evil.

As such you have to conclude either the parents and/or society fails to raise men in a healthy and prosperous matter.

OrionBartholomew · 2023-02-05T23:42:51+00:00

Men are the ones they unwillingly conscript and throw into war as human shields to protect women and women's state violence proxy. When you drive down the road, everything you see was built by and maintained by men. There are dozens upon dozens of state and federal programs designed exclusively for women and exactly zero programs for men. There are healthcare centers designed specifically for women and none designed specifically for men. Men work all of the dirty, dangerous, life shortening and life threatening jobs. Men are treated as second class citizens. Gynocentrism, courtly love and chivalry are really about enforcing male disposability.

lozinski · 2023-02-06T05:39:22+00:00

What happened in China and India is that people selected for sons, leading to a scarcity of women, and women becoming the valuable commodity in the marriage market. You have to have an apartment and a car to get married.

it would be great if all the feminists like her select for daughters, then men will become the scarce and valuable resource.

Throwawaydhxj · 2023-02-06T09:33:04+00:00

They forgot the mention that most of these boys are from single mother homes.

Parking-Animal-3383 · 2023-02-06T11:40:30+00:00

Sons are prone to substance abuse and droping out of school because of inadequate fathers care. Western society is encouraging divorces and boys dont have any role models in their house or school. Atleast they should bring some men in to teaching profession.

nineteenletterslong_ · 2023-02-06T16:25:23+00:00

the reason why almost all rapists are male is that the rapist is defined as the penetrating partner, and this is an injustice to men.

the reason almost all prisoners are men is because women receive much lighter sentences for the same crime. in fact in the uk 5 out of 6male prisoners wouldn't be in prison if they were treated as kindly as women.

the rest is because men have a harder life. the same arguments can be done against the poor

PotentialPay1795 · 2023-02-06T01:48:40+00:00

What is the fundamental issue with the fall of men in our society? Why is their this huge disparity between sons and daughters?

The #1 cause of the fall of men (and in turn western society) is a lack of traditional households. Dad (head of the house), mother submissive to the head ( in there defense I wouldnt submit to these weak men of today), and children raised by men and women.

We have a growing # of men raised by women with the strength and ability of a man acting with the emotions of a woman.

The blame lies in the hands of men who chose poorly who to sleep with, example (she's OK for a lay but shes not wife material), so either she leaves or you do and in turn leave a boy to grow up learning his mother's emotional responses with manly ability.

The blame also falls in the hands of women who don't recognize the importance of giving their sons a father figure (preferably their actual father). They have pushed the father out of the home in detriment to the son.

The blame falls in the hands of a government that has not only demonized masculinity (which is needed to build and improve society) but financially incentives for the destruction of traditional households through government assistance.

These emotional men fall into violence and drugs to dull the emotional pain and never develop the character to deal with what being a man actually means due to a lack of good guidance and example.

2023-02-05T21:29:20+00:00

Only like 1% of men are rapists so oops.

Otherwise yeah. Good observation that men suffer mental health issues I don't see what that makes us worse than women. Kind of rude.

g1455ofwater · 2023-02-05T23:33:45+00:00

In 2020, there were around 620 thousand legal abortions in the United States.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/185274/number-of-legal-abortions-in-the-us-since-2000/

Women killed over 600,000 human lives in 2020 just in the United States alone. And that's just the "legal" baby killing.

volleyballbeach · 2023-02-06T06:23:34+00:00

Tell her sons are equal to daughters because all human babies are created equal

Aimless-Nomad · 2023-02-06T09:24:17+00:00

Why do you gus blur names? They posted on a public platform. Not required.

king-of-the-light · 2023-02-06T18:37:13+00:00

Just delete all men from the planet and entire universe and fucking good luck.

Smdeveryday · 2023-02-13T16:01:51+00:00

Not everything she said is determined by gender. Just because you have a daughter doesn't mean she's less likely to do the things which was stated for having a son.

The stats are based upon today's time. In 20 years from now who knows. There's no real logic in what she is saying other than just pointing out the stats.

Title	Any comments? I am speechless.
Author	Coffeecup7
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Date	February 5, 2023 5:07 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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