Are polygamy laws outdated?

walterwallcarpet · 2024-07-17T06:35:09+00:00

The present situation in society is 'rotating monogamy', basically the c*ck carousel. This arose through FEMALE choice, once male ingenuity had placed them in charge of their own fertility through the birth control pill.

The 'sexual revolution' which ensued has created generations of women who are, basically, unmarriageable. They are not to be trusted. https://jme.bmj.com/content/medethics/33/8/475.full.pdf

Women seem to have no problem sharing a rich man with other women. Just as long as there's plenty money to go round. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny_threshold_model

In the near future, the super-wealthy will probably have their harems again. The middle class will be hollowed out, comprising mainly childless 'career' women. Men will be assigned the grunt work of maintaining & defending society. Their lower status will ensure that it will be extremely difficult to pair bond. They will, however, be heavily taxed, in order to support lower status women, who will breed for their own gratification, and in order to milk Welfare. These women, having few responsibilities, and guaranteed income, see themselves as 'wealthy' by their own, deluded standards.

corporate_robot_dude · 2024-07-17T03:50:03+00:00

We are seeing Idiocracy play out in real time right now. As things get more and more ridiculous, those who are intelligent will further opt out of breeding, while the dumb breed more. This absolutely is a problem, but no Western government would ever address it due to political incorrectness. Atleast in the east, culturally there is still some shame in being a single mother. But here in the west, we full on embrace it.

I could care less if they destroy their lives, but the real problem here is that society is basically encouraging the formation of broken families and future criminals. Not to mention as a taxpayer, more of your money is going to be going to social services to prop up these broken families.

AlexanderDean1980 · 2024-07-17T11:16:08+00:00

Polygamy is female nature hypergamy as women only want to date up. And when you have higher standards from leveling up women to men, it shifts the goal post to women only going after the upper half of the bell curve in statues and looks.

Hense the 80/20 rule that 80% of women only mate with 20% of men. So with population census their is more women than men today and with the female delusional calculator https://igotstandardsbro.com/ we can see the single men they want is only 1% or less. So they go for non-single men.

Even with Polygamy Laws that barely makes a difference and Laws don't affect women as much as men. And you can have religions like Mormonism and Islam allowing polygamy and circumvent the laws.

So here is the solutions what I do in my personal life and what I coach others to do when seeking a family.

I make both parents Liable for infidelity or polygamy with a Vow Agreement, a Parenting Agreement and a Cohabitation Agreement

So both can set standards, parameters and deal breakers with consequences in the relationship with cost to break that relationship.

Capable-Mushroom99 · 2024-07-17T04:25:45+00:00

The consensus view is that polygamy will always be limited by the “monogamy threshold”. Once you have too many females mating with one male a lot of males end up with no mate and at that point monogamy is preferable for the remaining males (to ensure that children are actually theirs) and the less desirable females (to ensure the male is fully invested in raising those children). In terms of human society this means the majority will support laws against polygamy, and situations like the one you mention are resulting from corruption of societal support systems designed to help women who are not actually being supported by the fathers of their children. In the end this cannot persist because there is a limit to generosity of taxpayers in paying to raise other mens children.

Of course there will always be (and always has been) the Elon Musks that are so rich they can support many women, whether the relationships are technically serial or actually in parallel . But they are rare enough not to threaten the system.

EOD_Bad_Karma · 2024-07-17T06:46:00+00:00

As a guy with multiple girlfriends living with him, it's never been an issue for me. I wouldn't marry anyways because I have too much to lose if I got divorced.

Being polyamorous is actually somewhat of a defense, because even though my state does not have 'common law marriage', if any of my girlfriends tried to go that route, they'd have to somehow prove that our relationship was exclusive enough to constitute a legal 'marriage'.

So, for guys like me, the current set of laws for poly relationships are a win.

dumnem · 2024-07-17T22:04:29+00:00

...Let adults do what they want? Why do you care if polygamy laws exist? If you can't get laid (or find a wife) that's a you problem mate.

Such laws are draconian at best and extraordinarily harmful at worst.

EnvironmentalBuy244 · 2024-07-17T16:11:20+00:00

Utah has pretty much quit using the bigamy laws except for cases of under age girls.

This came about due to the sister wives show. Cody Brown sued and his case was eventually dismissed because they hadn't actually been charged. Bit the courts fully telegraphed that they would use the Obergefell v Hodges case to toss bigamy laws.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-07-17T16:48:29+00:00

Historically, humans have always been on the polygamous side. This is shown in DNA data showing the ratio of women to men who have passed down their genes to the present has roughly been 4:1. There was a spike as high as 17:1 around the time of the agricultural revolution. And it's been a bit lower the past few thousand years as monogamous civilizations outcompeted polygamous ones.

It seems this ratio is creeping up again and wish I could find data on it.

There are some factors I can see holding it back somewhat:

Inertia. Your examples are still outliers, the majority hasn't changed all that much (yet).
It's pretty hard to evade child support and it can get pretty crippling quickly.
Accusations. The more you play the game, the more likely you get burned. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".
Not many can get away with being opening polygamous. There's still pretty heavy cultural taboos against that. So you get some "soft" harems where there are concurrent relationships where the women don't know about each other. Or you get serial monogamy but tipped in a way where the top guys have had 100 "relationships" and the bottom have had 0 or 1 and the women have had 10.

63daddy · 2024-07-17T18:19:56+00:00

These laws are side stepped at taxpayer expense as Jon Krakauer documents in his book. A man has one legal wife and several “wives” not recognized as such legally. These latter wives legally being single women with kids are eligible for government benefits, bringing money into the family at taxpayer expense. We’d be better off legalizing polygamy and having such families be financially responsible for themselves

2024-07-20T08:01:22+00:00

I disagree with polygamy, I agree with anti polygamy laws.

The reason they're not outdated is because marriage has tangible benefits from the government, including tax breaks. They do not exist to keep a 1-1 male-female ratio, they exist because the IRS doesn't want to deal with it.

Hot-Cow-1717 · 2024-07-18T06:03:34+00:00

Uhhh I feel like we’re too far into the future to be using the words “mating market” nd a kid of Feb other things ur talking abt

NoAudience8137 · 2024-07-17T13:00:37+00:00

Since you’re so focused on women’s body count, what are your views on men’s body count? Do you promote men have as low of a count as you think the women should?

Asatmaya · 2024-07-17T12:26:32+00:00

I'm still confused as to how bigamy laws are not clear violations of the 1st Amendment, there being religions that explicitly allow for it.

Title	Are polygamy laws outdated?
Author	EfficientSimplicity
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Comments	55
Date	July 17, 2024 2:46 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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I make both parents Liable for infidelity or polygamy with a Vow Agreement, a Parenting Agreement and a Cohabitation Agreement