Do women's issues exist?

William__F0ster · 2017-03-20T20:51:46+00:00

Is there an issue out there that could reasonable called a women's issue?

I would say there are all manner of issues that women could rightfully claim as their own and which should be taken seriously.

Maternity leave is just one example - I live in a country where there is what I (and I guess most people) would consider fairly generous provision for this, but I know that in other countries - notably in the US - this is not the norm at all. More controversially perhaps, sexual assault and violence against women from intimate partners are both very real issues which affect women. I could go on (FGM, abortion, childcare issues, flexitime working ...), but I will leave it there.

The point for me at least is not that women do not have issues - they do, of course they do - but that those issues have, in my honest opinion, been hijacked by people with radical politics who have been and still are shamelessly exploiting real women's issues and trading it for political capital.

Not only that, but I think it is well worth reiterating the point that while many feminists are women, women are not feminists - at least not by default.

Feminism is a political stance that grew out of a heady mixture of Marxism, Maoism, Trotskyism on the one hand, and the wilder shores of psychiatry and mysticism on the other (think R.D. Liang's 'primal scream' and all that nonsense about Goddesses and Wicca etc.).

One of feminism's greatest successes - if not the greatest - has been in convincing not only adherents to feminism, but the wider public as well - that it is by, for and about women.

I disagree - it seems to me entirely possible to distinguish between issues affecting women and issues affecting feminism.

Edit I have had a few responses to this pointing out that some of these issues also affect men - and this is completely true.

But can I just point out two things:

1) The question I am answering is do women have issues - and the answer must be yes.

2) As I said above, women's issues are not feminist issues or vice versa - the two should not be confused.

For instance, women are affected by sexual violence and that is a women's issue. But that fact neither justifies nor supports the feminist claim that we live in a rape culture and nor does it mean that men and boys are not also affected by sexual violence (because of course they are).

In fact, rape culture is one of those examples of a blatant attempt to exploit actual harm perpetrated on actual women for political (and financial) gain in order to further feminist political and activist goals. It also creates a great deal of discord, mistrust, resentment and animosity among women - which is what is it meant to do ('consciousness raising' is just a fancy word for shit stirring and shit flinging).

I say again, many feminists are women, but women are not, by default of birth, feminists.

hbest195 · 2017-03-20T21:58:33+00:00

Access to abortions is a huge issue. You can't say that you can just give up a baby. The woman would still have to go through the pregnancy which is painful and expensive. I understand the frustrations that come from men not having as much of a say in pregnancies, but it is ultimately the woman that has to go through the pregnancy.

Meyright · 2017-03-20T20:20:50+00:00

I, so far, only heared of one genuine right women don't have in regards to men, which is that they're not able to show their nipples in some states. I'm open to add more to that list.

There are many women's "issues" though. But as you said, most of them are just the downside of having an advantage in some area. Take catcalling for example. I get it, it's anoying and can get scary. But its just the downside of being the prefered, sought after gender when it comes to reproduction, which I would call having an advantage in life. Men offer themselfs to women, and women chose. The downside is getting offers you don't want. And now we have feminists fighting to make an "anyoing and sometimes scary" thing illegal.

1LtKaiser · 2017-03-21T02:29:33+00:00

Female here. Same. My only issue is everything other women impose on me. "They're abusing you! You worked 10 hours and they worked 8!" No. I asked for it this way since they broke their backs earlier. "You're a girl, you don't need to put up with this. Just hold the clip board" um what. "If you're on your period, we'll give you a lunch break while everyone else gets to eat on the job". How does that even make sense? Other women are my problem.

Kiefinater · 2017-03-21T00:45:43+00:00

I am 100% sure that you are a man. Go find something productive to do with your life.

HasAnArchmageFetish · 2017-03-21T02:45:59+00:00

Republicans keep trying to defund reproductive healthcare.

Il128 · 2017-03-20T20:34:12+00:00

I'm being serious here.

Women obviously face some discrimination in macho careers and feminine careers, such as the military, police, fire, auto racing, health care, teaching, child care and etc..
Women also face discrimination in social situations and work situations of sexual freedom. I'm talking fetish clubs, sex parties, porn, advertising, marketing, the arts and sales, etc..
It's not just men who cause these problems of course, women are more than happy to discriminate against women as well.

Kingramses94 · 2017-03-21T01:31:09+00:00

Women's issues exist. Men's issues exist.

The problem: Currently women's issues are more important than men's issues. In fact, a male fighting for men's rights would get largely castrated--however a female fighting for women's rights would get largely praise.

OnTheSlope · 2017-03-20T22:32:53+00:00

Yes there are women's issues.

Many drugs and medical treatments are tested only on males.
Women are sometimes excluded from proper consideration in scientific pursuits. For example Lawrence Kohlberg theorized a popular set of stages of moral development which was developed using only male participants and doesn't take into consideration that women have a different moral system than men, it simply concludes that women are impaired as moral agents.

It's hard to find legit women's issues, if you google women's issues all you'll find is either: issues men also face (sometimes to a higher degree), issues that are entirely made up (wage gap), or petty issues like manspreading, but there are real issues that only women face in society.

I wish I knew more but the real issues get swept under the rug.

Aureolin9861 · 2017-03-20T21:09:01+00:00

Uh, I think people are more likely to buy books written by men. That's why J.K Rowling uses a fake name.

conrad_w · 2017-03-21T00:39:47+00:00

There are some laws about pensions that assume a male breadwinner that come out unequal. Women also have higher health insurance costs.

Most "women's issues" affect men as well. Most "men's issues" affect women as well. Rather than the usual "what about XYZ" you get when an issue is raised, we should be seeking to recognise our common purpose.

Take for example feminists raising awareness for how homelessness affects women. We could say "yeah but it affects men too!" Or we could say "YES! This affects men too - we have a common enemy in homelessness!"

Sad_banker · 2017-03-20T19:46:44+00:00

What is your opinion on cat-calling? Yes, it does happen to men occasionally, but in my experience it happens more to women.

PeachPy53 · 2017-03-21T01:16:29+00:00

One area I would like to point out is the bias against women reaching the upper echelon of most professions. I have heard of the term "glass floor," but there is also a "glass ceiling." I heartily believe that society is trying to keep women thoroughly in the middle: not too successful, and not overly victimized, either.

MithaiPls · 2017-03-21T08:09:09+00:00

Do women's issues exist?

Of course they do. Sadly Feminists ignore the real issues and shitpost about stupid shit.

equiposeur · 2017-03-21T14:44:46+00:00

I think that women do have issues. As examples: the way career development intersects with fertility window puts tremendous pressures on women; also, women do have to deal with awkward and challenging job situations in male-dominated fields.

cld8 · 2017-03-21T03:03:13+00:00

It depends on what country you live in. In western countries, there can be some discrimination against women, but it's usually very subtle and isolated. For example, as a woman employee at Home Depot how seriously some customers take her.

In developing countries, there is still widespread discrimination against women, of course. Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive, for example.

StargateMunky101 · 2017-03-21T05:04:24+00:00

The fact is, the rights you have now would disappear almost over night if you decided to stop caring about them.

That's generally why anyone campaigns for issues that supposedly "no longer exist".

Progressive values are NOT an inherent or natural occurrence. They came about through getting angry, shouting a lot and arguing a case against hypocrisy.

The people who fought for those rights came from the same gene-pool of those who felt it unnecessary to defend them. Those views came about naturally so each generation essentially is born with them and needs to overcome them at each stage of their lives.

That's why it's important to maintain them. Not because you have them, but because there is no biological need to have them and thus you need to fight for them.

Is there an issue out there that could reasonable called a women's issue?

Cat calling.

Stalking (primarily limited to women if you exclude celebrities)

poorpersonality · 2017-03-21T05:24:59+00:00

I's hard to say because honest studies are hard to find. Most studies have been done by Feminists and they are not honest. Or very smart either.

ExpendableOne · 2017-03-21T13:19:48+00:00

If you mean issues that exclusively effect women? No, I really don't think there are any real issues exclusively affecting women. All the issues today's feminism are fighting for are either completely non-issues(if not direct products of misandry, or a very clear fear, disdain and contempt for men) or non-exclusive issues. Even in the middle-east, where there is this massive notion of female oppression, the same type of oppressive gender conformity affects men as well. If you just mean issues that affect women, then there are plenty of issues that effect both men and women. If you mean issues that affect women more than men, then there are a few but they are generally rare, given how much society already tries to protect and enable women.

mikesteane · 2017-03-22T00:28:58+00:00

Here are three.

Disadvantages in life: (the big one) women age quicker than men, that is to say their SMV drops off precipitously at an early age.

Social, economic etc: following the breakup of the family as the unit in favour of the individual. women who stay at home and provide a valuable role as stay-at-home mothers (a role seriously demeaned by those pushing to get them out into tax paying jobs) will end up with a smaller nest egg than their male partners, the breadwinners.

Many women have to put up with an enormous amount of bullying from other women.

grasshopa · 2017-03-20T19:39:54+00:00

To be fair, the men and adoption is a murky area. Generally speaking, if the father is known ( or assumed, in the case of marriage ) then they will make at least a superficial effort to get him to sign off on the adoption.

Which is not to say that mom is obligated to reveal who dad is. Slut shaming and all that. Even when dad is aware of the adoption and attempts to stop it, it can be forced through if some judge somewhere doesn't feel dad is interested in being dad.

Which kind of makes it worse than what you said, truthfully.

5165156456 · 2017-03-21T03:39:39+00:00

if there are any issues, they're not significant enough to start a movement over

unless you live in an area that really does class women as second class citizens, like any muslim country

kmecha9 · 2017-03-21T05:24:08+00:00

I'm curious to hear your opinions. Is there an issue out there that could reasonable called a women's issue? -vivienta

I guess it depends where you live? In Saudi Arabia women aren't aloud to drive or get certain jobs? If women gets raped in the Middle East, instead of convicting the perpetrator it can be treated as an affair and the women gets in trouble instead. In Yemen women in court are considered half a witness. If you are gay or lesbian in some of those parts, one could get stoned to death. In first world countries these issues aren't as much as problem.

In the USA there is lots passionate debate over women's reproduction rights/abortion. Some radical feminist see problems in "sexist" video games, cat calling, or man spreading, those issues seem petty compared to the above who legitimately need the support. For the most part, first world countries tend to put women/children first, and men last. That's just my two cents.

Erikthered65 · 2017-03-21T05:12:58+00:00

Hahahahahaha! Yeah, you're "female". That explains all the Men's Rights garbage you keep posting.

Blarneystone2 · 2017-03-21T05:11:21+00:00

They do, and they are in the middle east.

howaboutyougetfucked · 2017-03-21T00:35:50+00:00

sometimes there are complications with a foetus and it might result in an extremely unsafe birth or a disabled child. no women should have to raise a mentally disabled person who cannot care for themselves or provide anything of value to the equation

aslo the woman might have been raped and so no rational person would say she has to go through the ordeal of birthing her rapists child.

thats about it really, beyond abortion women dont have many problems in our society.

oddly enough there is one huge issue that i believe women are facing, they are either just too brainwashed or dense to comprehend it

i am talking about demographic replacement. western caucasian women should be averaging 2.1 births per woman in order to keep the population of caucasians stable.

they are averaging well below that. as a result the globalist leaders in the west only care about keeping hte ball rolling (making money) and so they are opening the borders to foreigners of any and all kinds.

most of these foreigners are coming with anti western value systems, cultures and practices. women today dont fully grasp just how critical the situation is becoming and will become over the next few decades...

see how women are treated in africa and the middle east? yeah the west importing millions of those people every year to come and have 4-7 babies in our countries. these groups are predicted to become demographic majorities shortly and anyone who says they will just adopt our value systems is either wilfully ignorant to the statistics or intentionally misleading, the numbers just dont support that argument enough.

in a few short generations the women here will be treated the same as the women in africa and the middle east are currently being treated. saying this earns you the nazi racist badge though. oh well i guess thats me then...

Title	Do women's issues exist?
Author	vivienta
Upvotes	56
Comments	116
Date	March 20, 2017 7:35 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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