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Feminist "scientist" doesn't understand basic math when it comes to men

NixonForBreadsident

March 7, 2016
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Title Feminist "scientist" doesn't understand basic math when it comes to men
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NixonForBreadsident

Upvotes 180
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Date March 7, 2016 1:55 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]PerniciousOne 37 points38 points39 points 10 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Many stem fields are very meritocratic.

They focus on results. Results are based upon skill, dedication, and hours worked towards the desired goal. Advanced math, and science do not require that you have a penis between your legs.

Many programmers tend to work much more than 40 hours a week, and this will help them meet deadlines, and get ahead in the competitive culture. Being able to have accomplishments in your field will also help you when applying for other jobs.

Personal anecdotes do not really matter in a meritocracy.

[–]I_FUCK_UP_RECIPES 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Outliers becomes a worthy read when considering meritocracy. While you might think it's a pure merit system, really it's often a result of self-fulfilling prophecies.

The classic example is Canadian hockey. A disproportionate number of players are born in months early in the year because of the way age cutoffs work for elementary school-level teams. The kids with 9 months on the other 9 year olds are 10% more grown, and thus 10% better...so they get on the highest level teams, and have the most time to qualify for the next year's most intense teams. It snowballs from there. They weren't actually any better than their peers at first--just bigger.

But by the time they're 22 and looking to get into the professional leagues? Way, way better.

There's evidence of similar self-fulfilling prophecies in most industries, and I would believe that the way our culture treats STEM as masculine might be creating negative such prophecies for women (just as it has similar consequences for men in pretty much every traditionally 'feminine' field, including being a parent).

The solution, though, isn't "give more money to women."

It requires a total re-evaluation of how we do things socially. How we shame people for unusual interests.

Such a solution is a lot slower, though. But it's far preferable to the 'quick' solution that simply makes the government complicit in a different kind of sexism that hurts many who are already behind. At least progressive tax plans limit the extra burden to those who can bear it.

[–]cranktheguy 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It requires a total re-evaluation of how we do things socially. How we shame people for unusual interests.

Disclaimer: this is completely anecdotal.

That being said, I chose programmer as a profession when I was in high school taking computer science, so I have around 20 years of insight. In this time, I've never seen any man do anything but encourage girls with computers. Teachers and professors (some of them female) always nicely answered their questions and encouraged them. Fellow students did the same. Hell, we loved it when females were interested in computer! At last, something in common to talk about!

The only people I've witnessed discourage girls from this path were their female peers. "Eww, you like that stuff?" We need to change little girls' perspectives, and those perspectives are not controlled by any man. It is a toxic segment of women that enforce this narrow course for female interest, and men are no more at fault for this then women are at fault for hyper masculinity.

[–]PotatoDonki 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, it would be fighting what is just socialization with outright actual institutionalized sexism through government policy. I can't get behind such a solution.

[–]championRuby64 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, giving women more money would just be treating a symptom.

[–]OnlyRev0lutions 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Many programmers tend to work much more than 40 hours a week, and this will help them meet deadlines

Which is why I switched from programming to a skilled trade. I work half the hours I used to and make twice the pay.

[–]FFXIV_Machinist 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

programmers get the shit end of the stick :/

[–]OnlyRev0lutions 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Well when you spend two decades telling anyone who's half decent at programming to major in it you end up with an extremely flooded job market full of people willing to work for peanuts and convinced they are such special snow flakes that they have no reason to unionize.

[–]MalibuStayZ 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you end up with an extremely flooded job market

Is it?

[–]tonyfaulkner 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thing is, while headcount wise there are too many programmers, there ain't enough mediocre ones. Not even good but mediocre.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so most programmers are overqualified? Or do you mean most aren't even mediocre?

[–]tonyfaulkner 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The latter, unfortunately.

[–]OnlyRev0lutions 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly the sort of bullshit attitude that keeps programming from becoming a unionized trade. Guys like you are so sure they're the only ones in their company who have any idea what they're doing so they work 80 hour weeks "cleaning up messes" and get paid a little bit more because of their trouble.

But you're so smart and talented you've convinced yourself you're getting a good deal, somehow. Even worse you expect the same level of dedication and destroyed work-life balance from everyone else you work with continuing the cycle of worker exploitation.

[–]tonyfaulkner 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Frankly I do not work for any company, and what I am stating is that most developers do not care at all. They do not adhere any standards, whether I fix that or not is not even relevant. And when I try to add a feature or solve a bug, I am just in front of a shit load of spaghetti code with no documentation whatsoever and have to spend 3 times more effort to get shit done.

[–]OnlyRev0lutions 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh that sounds like every open source project I contribute to for "fun" now. Everyone wants to code but no one wants to take a few seconds to document just what the fuck you're doing.

[–]IoSonCalaf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just curious, which trade? I'm considering something like this.

[–]Mikeavelli 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The big ones are construction, handyman stuff, plumber, electrician, etc. Be warned that they'll destroy your body by the time you're in your 40s, so you'll still want to pick up a formal education somewhere along the way allowing you to transition into a desk job by that point.

[–]garglemesh42 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I like meritocracy. Still, I wish people would take me seriously when I say "you people of the other gender owe me free shit just because I'm $GENDER!" like they do when women do it. Who doesn't like free stuff?

Of course, then reality intrudes, and I remember why why can't give everybody everything they want: non-infinite resources, or at least the ones we can get to easily aren't infinite. The question of if we have infinite resources available in all the universe is better left to physics majors.

[–]rudelyinterrupts 100 points101 points102 points 10 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Meanwhile, as a straight white guy, I haven't heard anything positive in the job market for months now. Several companies have told me that I'm not able to help their diversity quota so I can't get an interview. But yea I'm sure it's part of my privilege.

[–]LaughingAtIdiots 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Several companies have told me that I'm not able to help their diversity quota

You were straight up told you don't help their diversity quota?

[–]rafajafar 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that sounds like a lie to me.

[–]elwahrio 42 points43 points44 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Happens every day in Australia. It's legal here to say that.

[–]The_0bserver 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100% and totally practiced by pretty much every company here in India.. It doesn't affect me now personally, as I got a job, But since my schooling isn't over, I get to see the all the mails, and its pretty saddening.

[–]rafajafar 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That's insane. It's open discrimination.

[–]elwahrio 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Open discrimination, you say? The Australian Government calls it "Special Measures".

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That sounds eerily similar to 'Final Solution'.

[–]jojotmagnifficent 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like it's time for a visit to CenterLink (pretty sure that's where you guys get the dole). Once the govt is literally paying for preventing you from getting a job then all of a sudden they will want to fix it.

[–]elwahrio 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Centrelink is the equivalent of social security, yes.

I'm not sure that mathematically can happen, given that the total number of available jobs is much more than the number of available women. And deliberately going on the dole as a protest will backfire immediately with mass outrage and loss of reputation.

It's not that it stops one from getting employed, just that it creates institutional hurdles that make it much less likely to get the job you deserve.

[–]jojotmagnifficent 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about going on it permanently, just while job hunting. I dunno what it's like over there, but here in NZ you quite often have to meet with WINZ (our version of CL) officers to fill them in on what jobs you have applied for etc. while you are on the benny. Even if you are only on it for a couple of months while you are looking, they WILL take notice if you tell them you got turned down for multiple positions because you were white. If large numbers of people are taking hundreds if not thousands of dollars of money and every report says they could have stopped giving them the money sooner if employers weren't holding out for the mythical "qualified minority" then they WILL do something to stop hemorrhaging that money.

As for loss of reputation, If anyone gives you shit for it laugh at them and tell them they are retarded for not taking the free money while they were job hunting (you have to pay for it with taxes anyway, might as well use the service).

[–]Corpsedusk 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it isn't. It's diversity! That's the opposite of discrimination!

</moron>

[–]gregatron08 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Happened a few years ago when I tried to join Essex police uk

[–]rob2640 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah man, that's becoming an actual thing. Guy from the UK here

[–]rafajafar 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That'd get your company sued in the US.

[–]mwobuddy 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh don't think the US isnt going to try to make this happen as well.

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only if you said it openly, the practice itself is the same.

[–]Leinadro 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Id like to think its a lie but when I think about what would your options be if they told you?

Sure you could sue but I honestly dont think youd get fair consideration of your case and news coverage of "Straight White Guy sues for discrimination" would be portrayed as the greatest Onion article ever.

And dont count on many so called progressives to say anything other than, "its wrong but its not discrimination because discrimination doesnt happen to straight white guys".

[–]rafajafar 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"its wrong but its not discrimination because discrimination doesn't happen to straight white guys".

sigh These people don't know what the word discrimination means. I swear, shit like this is my least favorite thing about being a progressive... I am not lock-step with this line of thinking.

[–]Leinadro 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree.

But unfortunately they have the upper hand in both the courr of law amd the court of public opinion.

I mean how else do you explain a woman getting under age boys drunk and having sex with them not be considered rape but a man having sex with a consenting woman being called a rapist when the woman decides a year later it was rape?

[–]Foobashi 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A quick google turned up this: http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/08/31/white-male-reverse-discrimination/

Though in this case he was already an employee.

[–]rudelyinterrupts 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He sort of went on a rant over the phone. It was about 5 O'clock on Friday and he seriously just started complaining about how the government was interfering in things and how they wanted me for one job but couldn't afford it and I could try for another job but that they had already been looking at mostly women and minorities.

[–]rafajafar 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing like being judged by the content of your character instead of the color of your skin and what dangly part you happen to have, eh?

[–]GenderNeutralLanguag 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Gotta love media spin.

There was that paper posted here a few weeks ago that claimed to have found gender bias against women in Open Source. That gender bias ammounted to 1 in 500 women contributing to open source will ever face discrimination. This finding has now been spun up to "STRONG bias against women in Open Source"

Reading this article, I'm unsure if it was bad science producing bad results. If it was Misinterpretation of good results by the programer. Or if it was media spin on a reasonable interpretation of good results.

[–]ezetemp 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably media spin. The actual reality is that in most economies women don't carry anywhere near their own weight, largely tied to the luxury of choosing jobs they 'enjoy' and working fewer hours, combined with a longer life span.

Maybe it's time to start increasing taxes on women until they actually pay their fair share. Or die trying, thus solving the life span issue.

[–]DillipFayKick 27 points28 points29 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I love how she describes being a woman as 'being different'. I'm so unique, there's only 3.5 billion other people who have the same sex organs as me. Elite club, hello!

[–]elwahrio 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally the majority.

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[–]DillipFayKick 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh shit, ha ha. I didn't make it that far into the article before I cringed out. I stand corrected.

[–]Wargame4life 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the best reflection of her her "scientific mind" and how moronic she is.

"people don't like red apples because I was selling loads of green apples but when i coated them in red paint suddenly people treated them differently and werent interested"

Painting a green apple red and a genuine red apple are very much different things, and this freak cant seem to distinguish between them.

People treating you differently might have nothing to do with the fact you are a woman and the fact you are a transgender which is not the same thing and especially if they knew you as a male before.

Absolute fucking idiot

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he means "different" in STEM. He tries to isolate the effect of gender on STEM promotions. It's a bit suspect seeing as women are preferentially hired in STEM. Also since it's non-peer-reviewed crap. People who are actually serious about measuring these things become university professors.

[–]UniqueUserName2015 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Asian men/women are also different... yet they somehow make even more money than white men/women.... I'm assuming we should tax them higher because they are Asian... sounds pretty racist to me.

https://hbr.org/2014/06/does-race-or-gender-matter-more-to-your-paycheck

[–]expert02 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm fat, where's my tax break?

[–]Alkomb 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I kinda feel bad for laughing.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pff, we should tax you fatties even more.

Driving around destroying the roadways that we pay for, with your gross tonnage overlimits.

[–]FromTheFarSouth 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Why those who complain about being women are always WHITE?

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All that privilege combined with skin color makes them blind in the mirror

[–]galtthedestroyer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Duhhhh, because only white women have enough power to be heard, so they have to speak out on behalf of all women!

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[–]questionnmark 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Try them or they. It's a gender neutral pronoun.

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[–]questionnmark -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can be used for singular. It just means you don't have to use the awkward he or she.

[–]nuhu39n 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Companies are profit driven. If they could hire employees that do the same quality of work for a cheaper salary they would do so.

No company is going to give an employee thousands of dollar more than the market value of their skills because they have certain genitals or are attracted to certain people.

I wish all this nonsense were true. I have never worked at a job where I got extra money for being a man or being attracted to women but I wouldn't complain if the boss gave me a raise for that reason.

[–]Brodusgus 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a guy. He can't figure out why he is treated differently.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think he or she has a screw loose!

[–]Wargame4life 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lol so I am actually probably as qualified and as experienced as the "scientist" and did similar work but on real world issues using real techniques, i would love to critique this work because I bet immediately I could refute it in 1 easy step.

Simply using a heuristic model calling on Bayesian probability, you can explain the "Big data" trends outright.

or put simply making a very simplistic simulation where men and women are completely equal in probability of receiving a job and gender is in no way a factor, but the probability of a women deciding to take a career break or being a housewife/homemaker is higher, you would see the exact same result.

There is no gender bias, its complete horseshit, what this dopey cunt is doing is effectively the same as looking at lottery winners and claiming the fact that 90% of winners are men as proof that the lottery is sexist, and claiming women therefore have it harder, and completely and utterly ignoring how many tickets are sold by gender, and ignoring the fact that the majority of all losers are also men, and there is no barrier for men or women to buy a lottery ticket its entirely at their personal choice/preference.

the difference in "Big data" is more driven by individual lifestyle choices that people are completely free to make such as what they study or what work/life balance makes them comfortable.

This dopey cunt is a full on fucking retard

[–]galtthedestroyer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You beat me to it, cheers.

[–]thinkweis 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone found a source or is this just a completely unbacked assertion?

[–]Sigbi 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ok, lets not go crazy with the "scientist" bit. If she can't even form BASIC scientific hypothesis and structured research and statistics i don't see any reason to call her a scientist.

[–]Alkomb 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, exactly.

[–]Penuno 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is one of those can't see the forest for the trees situations. If her data is good, and her analyses of that data are sound, then she can sell that data to the highest bidder who will use it to recruit cheaper employees (women, left handed pygmies, LGBTXYZ whatevers) because..... her data claims they are cheap and hence a great bargain.

So you have to ask yourself why there isn't a big line to either buy her stuff or hire her to replicate it?

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